Trade/Free Agency Thread, whose NINE is it anyways?? 2023-24

[zoyathedestroya]

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[Andrew McCeltic]

I’ll go full Curm - I’d rather have Barrett, Quickley, Sims and a bunch of 1sts than Jaylen. Barrett’s the Wiggins who’s young enough to have theoretical upside as a scorer and shooter.

[djFan71]

I’ll go full Curm - I’d rather have Barrett, Quickley, Sims and a bunch of 1sts than Jaylen. Barrett’s the Wiggins who’s young enough to have theoretical upside as a scorer and shooter.

I had a similar suggestion earlier, but I don't like Barrett so did Quickly, Hart, Grimes & picks. Then Fournier ballast for another move. Nobody was a fan, lol.

[lon3lytoaster]

I’ll go full Curm - I’d rather have Barrett, Quickley, Sims and a bunch of 1sts than Jaylen. Barrett’s the Wiggins who’s young enough to have theoretical upside as a scorer and shooter.

And none of them have an unrealistic ego large enough to generate its own gravity and try to eclipse Tatum.

Nothing about me can stand Jaylen Brown. I hate 7uice. Donda. His plants. His attitude. His handles. The majority of his game. Probably a fine person but I really don’t want him back.

[zoyathedestroya]

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[CelticFaninLBC]

I’ll go full Curm - I’d rather have Barrett, Quickley, Sims and a bunch of 1sts than Jaylen. Barrett’s the Wiggins who’s young enough to have theoretical upside as a scorer and shooter.

I'd rather have Tatum resign with Boston.

New York can keep their pile of junk.

[GoCeltics123]

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[BK_2020]

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7uice is literally just your basic Hanes or Russell Athletics **** except with 7uice printed on it. The tamest, boringest, most pointless thing ever. Of course Jaylen has to give them away.

[zoyathedestroya]

So many words, nothing new to learn.

[darrendaye]

If Porzingis repeats what he did last season, in a winning environment, he's immediately our second-best player, 1B to Tatum's 1A. He's a wild card, but the talent is there.

That means we're paying Jaylen super-max money to be our third best player.

You've got the Curry-Durant-Thompson model big 3 where they figured out a way to feed 3 20 point scorers. Jaylen's going to have to adjust offensively and being the guy who is tasked with defending the Jimmy Butlers is going to need to be his priority with the starters. That's where he can maintain his #2 status on a championship level team here.

Will help if they can improve here:
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/nba-fastest-pace-this-season

That was pre-Supermax and iirc pre-max for Dray and Klay. They also went that high in salary to level up a team that had already won rings. And all of Durant/Curry/Klay are better than Jaylen.

And they were all likely better than Porzingis. And 2 of the 3 were better than Tatum. So, what's your point? We're talking about his standing on the team and league value. Porzingis had a potential pivot season last year at age 27 and we are certain Brown can't? But he's got to buy in, for now.

As Brad pointed out, Porzingis' growth, in part, is getting better at low post offense. Jaylen's challenge is having similar breakthrough in off-ball offense and stronger commitment and energy on defense. In any event, I ultimately agree with where you are going with this in saying Tatum-Brown supermax twins will not be a long-term smart strategy but for a season or two they might be able to get the right balance with a we win you win message.

Related, here are Brown's numbers on corner 3's. Percentage of shots from that location has gone down precipitously and his percentage has followed. My assertion is that this year that percentage will jump (as the 3rd option with starters) and hopefully his make % will as well.

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          Corn Corn
Season    %3PA  3P%
2016-17   .356 .438
2017-18   .376 .426
2018-19   .246 .368
2019-20   .269 .484
2020-21   .158 .400
2021-22   .185 .337
2022-23   .125 .279
Career    .221 .395


Provided by Basketball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 7/12/2023.

[return2glory]

Why do people here care so much about when the Brown extension gets done? It will get done with it gets done. It's out of your control.

Besides, soon as the deal gets done, half this board is going to get all upset at it how bad it is for the team.

[Fierce1]

Why do people here care so much about when the Brown extension gets done? It will get done with it gets done. It's out of your control.

Besides, soon as the deal gets done, half this board is going to get all upset at it how bad it is for the team.

Some are still hoping JB gets traded.

[GoCeltics123]

So many words, nothing new to learn.

I think I'm fully of the belief now that they poked around on Jaylen for Dame, backed off when they realized Dame wasn't happening, and now just want to sign Jaylen. But the deal not being done is a conspiracy-theorist's dream

[djFan71]

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This part was interesting.

"That means the Celtics will pay 3-6 times each million they spend beyond those deals, with any potential savings on a Brown extension capable of keeping them below a threshold that would increase those multipliers. For example, if Brown signs for 32% instead of 35%, that’s nearly a whole tax bracket the Celtics could avoid in 2025-26."

If they start at 32 and incentives to 35 and he doesn't hit them, they can possibly avoid a tax bracket jump. If he hits them, something good happened.

[Hal14]

Potential Grant TPE targets..

Kenrich Williams
Saddiq Bey
Cole Anthony
Jonathan Kuminga
Usman Garuba
Jae'Sean Tate
Deni Avdija
Nassir Little

[playa-hater]

Why do people here care so much about when the Brown extension gets done? It will get done with it gets done. It's out of your control.

Besides, soon as the deal gets done, half this board is going to get all upset at it how bad it is for the team.

Curiousity and closure..what else is there.

[GoCeltics123]

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This part was interesting.

"That means the Celtics will pay 3-6 times each million they spend beyond those deals, with any potential savings on a Brown extension capable of keeping them below a threshold that would increase those multipliers. For example, if Brown signs for 32% instead of 35%, that’s nearly a whole tax bracket the Celtics could avoid in 2025-26."

If they start at 32 and incentives to 35 and he doesn't hit them, they can possibly avoid a tax bracket jump. If he hits them, something good happened.

How much would 32% be approximately? 275-ish?

[playa-hater]

Potential Grant TPE targets..

Kenrich Williams
Saddiq Bey
Cole Anthony
Jonathan Kuminga
Usman Garuba
Jae'Sean Tate
Deni Avdija
Nassir Little

Easy ..Kuminga... Maybe he's similar to Andrew Wiggins when he was first with Minnnesota.. A change of scenery and a better opportunity..

[zoyathedestroya]

So many words, nothing new to learn.

I think I'm fully of the belief now that they poked around on Jaylen for Dame, backed off when they realized Dame wasn't happening, and now just want to sign Jaylen. But the deal not being done is a conspiracy-theorist's dream

The hold-up could be related to a potential Brogdon trade. And how that and JB's extension number could affect their cap sheet next couple of seasons. And without the Harden resolution, Brogdon thing could drag on longer if Clips are still involved.

There's probably a simpler explanation but it's really weird that it's taken this long. They could've chosen to talk informally even before the moratorium ended. And finalized the details soon after he was eligible. But for whatever reason, they still haven't.

[djFan71]

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This part was interesting.

"That means the Celtics will pay 3-6 times each million they spend beyond those deals, with any potential savings on a Brown extension capable of keeping them below a threshold that would increase those multipliers. For example, if Brown signs for 32% instead of 35%, that’s nearly a whole tax bracket the Celtics could avoid in 2025-26."

If they start at 32 and incentives to 35 and he doesn't hit them, they can possibly avoid a tax bracket jump. If he hits them, something good happened.

How much would 32% be approximately? 275-ish?

Yeah, something like $270M range - assuming 136 * 1.1 for next year's cap (149.6) with 8% raises.