Free Agent, Trade, Buyout, Extension & Conversion Thread, 2025 con't

[djFan71]

I love the dramatic ideas, but I actually don't think you do much different than we were planning.
First, see how Tatum's timeline looks. See what, if any, medical work Brown needs this offseason.

Trade Hauser, Jrue for tax relief / shorter contracts.
KP is expiring, so no need unless you can get something positive.

Jrue for Klay and Gafford. Dallas pays someone else to take the remaining salary needed. Only saves $1.3M but Gafford is expiring, Klay will be easy to move next summer.

BOS: 22 & future 2nd(s) for Hauser, 28, 32
ATL: 22 & Niang for Hauser, 28
DET: Fontecchio, future 2nd(s) for Niang
WAS or BKN: Fontecchio, 32 for fake 2nd.


White, Pritchard, JD
Klay, Baylor, Walsh
Gafford, KP, Queta
22
Vet mins: AL, Luke, other

Injured: Brown, Tatum

You've reduced the tax bill for next year and set yourself up to duck it entirely going forward. If Brown plays most of the year, we still sneak into the play-in range or higher. Then Tatum could be back and you have enough to make some noise in the playoffs.

Worst case, Pritchard and Baylor get all sorts of minutes. Maybe one of Walsh, JD, 22 do something as well.
Next summer, you get a good pick, move Klay, decide between Gafford and KP. Maybe S&T either/both, etc.

[redslastlaugh]

MIL gives: Dame Lillard
MIL gets: Paul George

Why? Last ditch effort to keep Giannis. PG might be a bad contract, but unlike Dame he can at least suit up next year. They take on an extra contract year as part of an effort to build a team Giannis will give another shot.

PHI gives: Paul George, #3
PHI gets: Jaylen Brown

Why? Use the #3 to turn what looks like a dead weight contract to a guy with still prime years left.

BOS gives: Brown
BOS gets: Dame, #3 pick

Definitely an interesting idea.

I don’t love Ace or really anyone at #3 overall to be honest. This draft doesn’t look like a 2009 situation where the 3rd pick is gonna be choosing between Harden, Steph Curry, Rubio or DeRozen… I think the #3 pick in this draft gonna have some serious Patrick Williams in 2020 potential, where you could end up with alackluster prospect overpaid at $14 million come yr 4 of his rookie deal.

Not a big fan of Ace Bailey, Malauch, Tre Johnson… VJ could be Oladipo but I don’t know. Trading Jaylen for Ace Bailey who Zach Lowe said his sources have called, “Cam Reddish reminiscent,” and eating Dames dollar amount …. I’d say no. If it’s pick #1 or pick #2, that’d be a different conversation, imo

[flintsky21]

Love the Jrue to Dallas idea. Makes sense for both teams too. Jrue can be Dallas PG then move to the 2 when Kyrie returns. Fits their new "defense first" identity too. PJ is expendable after drafting Flagg and I wouldn't mind having him instead of Gafford who I think will be gifted to LA.

Al / Kornet
PJ / Walsh
Brown / Hauser
Klay / Baylor
White / Pritchard

+ whatever we can get for KP

[hugepatsfan]

BOS gives: Holiday, Porzingis, Hauser, 2026 1st rounder, 2028 1st rounder (after SAS swap rights), 2031 1st rounder
BOS gets: Markannen, Kessler

UT gives: Markannen, Kessler, Cody Williams, KJ Martin
UT gets: Holiday, Porzingis, Pritchard, Hauser, 2026 BOS 1st rounder, 2028 BOS 1st rounder (after SAS swap rights), 2031 BOS 1st

BRK gives: fake 2nd
BRK gets: Cody Williams, KJ Martin



Our starting lineup next year is White/Brown/Scheierman/Markannen/Kessler. No bench depth to speak of. Year after Tatum comes back for a pretty dynamite starting 5.

[jonige94]

BOS gives: Holiday, Porzingis, Hauser, 2026 1st rounder, 2028 1st rounder (after SAS swap rights), 2031 1st rounder
BOS gets: Markannen, Kessler

UT gives: Markannen, Kessler, Cody Williams, KJ Martin
UT gets: Holiday, Porzingis, Pritchard, Hauser, 2026 BOS 1st rounder, 2028 BOS 1st rounder (after SAS swap rights), 2031 BOS 1st

BRK gives: fake 2nd
BRK gets: Cody Williams, KJ Martin



Our starting lineup next year is White/Brown/Scheierman/Markannen/Kessler. No bench depth to speak of. Year after Tatum comes back for a pretty dynamite starting 5.

What's Utah's incentive to do that?

[djFan71]

Love the Jrue to Dallas idea. Makes sense for both teams too. Jrue can be Dallas PG then move to the 2 when Kyrie returns. Fits their new "defense first" identity too. PJ is expendable after drafting Flagg and I wouldn't mind having him instead of Gafford who I think will be gifted to LA.

Al / Kornet
PJ / Walsh
Brown / Hauser
Klay / Baylor
White / Pritchard

+ whatever we can get for KP

Good call on PJ with Flagg. That trade basis has been floating around for a while - not mine or anything. But it had DAL keeping PJ due to positional need, but Flagg obviously negates that. PJ is a better fit for us - and $0.2M cheaper!

That team seems solid to me, and can definitely stay in playoff/in contention and hope for Tatum to come back. If Brown misses significant time too, it hurts, but then you get a better pick. Either way, you've saved some money and can reload for 26-27 while ducking the tax. And, maybe you can actually have a good playoff run next year along the way.

[31to6]

Love the Jrue to Dallas idea. Makes sense for both teams too. Jrue can be Dallas PG then move to the 2 when Kyrie returns. Fits their new "defense first" identity too. PJ is expendable after drafting Flagg and I wouldn't mind having him instead of Gafford who I think will be gifted to LA.

Al / Kornet
PJ / Walsh
Brown / Hauser
Klay / Baylor
White / Pritchard

+ whatever we can get for KP

I like Jrue to Dallas conceptually too, but I don't see any very useful return from them. PJ Washington is net neutral/treading water sort of player, and while I loved Klay back in the day, the day is LONG gone. I could talk myself into Jrue for Gafford and PJ, but all I'm accomplishing there is maybe helping next year's team fight for the #6 or 7 seed in the East -- given that PJ can fill a bunch of Tatum minutes in a 'replacement player' sort of way -- is that worth it? (Plus not possible if we're over the 2nd apron)

[djFan71]

Love the Jrue to Dallas idea. Makes sense for both teams too. Jrue can be Dallas PG then move to the 2 when Kyrie returns. Fits their new "defense first" identity too. PJ is expendable after drafting Flagg and I wouldn't mind having him instead of Gafford who I think will be gifted to LA.

Al / Kornet
PJ / Walsh
Brown / Hauser
Klay / Baylor
White / Pritchard

+ whatever we can get for KP

I like Jrue to Dallas conceptually too, but I don't see any very useful return from them. PJ Washington is net neutral/treading water sort of player, and while I loved Klay back in the day, the day is LONG gone. I could talk myself into Jrue for Gafford and PJ, but all I'm accomplishing there is maybe helping next year's team fight for the #6 or 7 seed in the East -- given that PJ can fill a bunch of Tatum minutes in a 'replacement player' sort of way -- is that worth it? (Plus not possible if we're over the 2nd apron)

It definitely works money-wise, saves us a tiny bit. And gets you off the long term Jrue money. Treading water next whilst doing that to clear money going forward is good. You get 6 or 7 seed with the possibility of adding Tatum back while clearing the books for the following year. Not too shabby given where we're at.

[Larry_Russell]

I love the dramatic ideas, but I actually don't think you do much different than we were planning.
First, see how Tatum's timeline looks. See what, if any, medical work Brown needs this offseason.

Trade Hauser, Jrue for tax relief / shorter contracts.
KP is expiring, so no need unless you can get something positive.

Jrue for Klay and Gafford. Dallas pays someone else to take the remaining salary needed. Only saves $1.3M but Gafford is expiring, Klay will be easy to move next summer.

BOS: 22 & future 2nd(s) for Hauser, 28, 32
ATL: 22 & Niang for Hauser, 28
DET: Fontecchio, future 2nd(s) for Niang
WAS or BKN: Fontecchio, 32 for fake 2nd.


White, Pritchard, JD
Klay, Baylor, Walsh
Gafford, KP, Queta
22
Vet mins: AL, Luke, other

Injured: Brown, Tatum

You've reduced the tax bill for next year and set yourself up to duck it entirely going forward. If Brown plays most of the year, we still sneak into the play-in range or higher. Then Tatum could be back and you have enough to make some noise in the playoffs.

Worst case, Pritchard and Baylor get all sorts of minutes. Maybe one of Walsh, JD, 22 do something as well.
Next summer, you get a good pick, move Klay, decide between Gafford and KP. Maybe S&T either/both, etc.

Wouldnt Jrue be worth Gafford AND Washington?


Maybe Kristaps to New Orleans for Olynyk and Herb Jones??

[31to6]

Thesis: tanking isn't likely to be possible or worth it

way-too-early-East-next-year outlook:
top of the pile: CLE, IND, NY
maybe pretty good? MIL? ORL? DET? BOS? MIA?
potentially scrappin'/perpetually scuttlin': CHI? ATL?
here be whatever: TOR, BRK
always trash/time to contract: PHI, CHA, WAS

***outlook: assuming we're without Tatum for a full year, we trade Jrue for $$ savings, and KP is oft-injured -- you're still not getting to the bottom of those standings for an appealing lottery pick. C's could get down into the 'bottom 5' of the East if everything breaks wrong for them -- and out West you've got UTA and maybe(?) NOP as clear bottom-feeders, so maybe they could get to around the 7th-worst record in the league, but I think it's totally unlikely. How often does the #7 pick matter? Rarely. Steph is probably the best one ever, and Jamal Murray, Julius Randle, and Lauri Markannan were there as well, but more often you're drafting Emmanual Mudiay or Bilal Coulilaby https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/7th-overall-draft-picks-nba

[djFan71]

I love the dramatic ideas, but I actually don't think you do much different than we were planning.
First, see how Tatum's timeline looks. See what, if any, medical work Brown needs this offseason.

Trade Hauser, Jrue for tax relief / shorter contracts.
KP is expiring, so no need unless you can get something positive.

Jrue for Klay and Gafford. Dallas pays someone else to take the remaining salary needed. Only saves $1.3M but Gafford is expiring, Klay will be easy to move next summer.

BOS: 22 & future 2nd(s) for Hauser, 28, 32
ATL: 22 & Niang for Hauser, 28
DET: Fontecchio, future 2nd(s) for Niang
WAS or BKN: Fontecchio, 32 for fake 2nd.


White, Pritchard, JD
Klay, Baylor, Walsh
Gafford, KP, Queta
22
Vet mins: AL, Luke, other

Injured: Brown, Tatum

You've reduced the tax bill for next year and set yourself up to duck it entirely going forward. If Brown plays most of the year, we still sneak into the play-in range or higher. Then Tatum could be back and you have enough to make some noise in the playoffs.

Worst case, Pritchard and Baylor get all sorts of minutes. Maybe one of Walsh, JD, 22 do something as well.
Next summer, you get a good pick, move Klay, decide between Gafford and KP. Maybe S&T either/both, etc.

Wouldnt Jrue be worth Gafford AND Washington?


Maybe Kristaps to New Orleans for Olynyk and Herb Jones??

If I'm Dallas and looking at Jrue's year and remaining contract, I want to shed Klay as part of taking that on. If we can work it so we don't, even better. I just try to keep a modest baseline.

New Orleans doesn't touch that deal, imo. Jones is worth more than an expiring KP.

[ParticleMan]

Shake it up: JB for Ja.

We upgrade in talent, they get a guy who won't make headlines for the wrong reasons.

[31to6]

Love the Jrue to Dallas idea. Makes sense for both teams too. Jrue can be Dallas PG then move to the 2 when Kyrie returns. Fits their new "defense first" identity too. PJ is expendable after drafting Flagg and I wouldn't mind having him instead of Gafford who I think will be gifted to LA.

Al / Kornet
PJ / Walsh
Brown / Hauser
Klay / Baylor
White / Pritchard

+ whatever we can get for KP

I like Jrue to Dallas conceptually too, but I don't see any very useful return from them. PJ Washington is net neutral/treading water sort of player, and while I loved Klay back in the day, the day is LONG gone. I could talk myself into Jrue for Gafford and PJ, but all I'm accomplishing there is maybe helping next year's team fight for the #6 or 7 seed in the East -- given that PJ can fill a bunch of Tatum minutes in a 'replacement player' sort of way -- is that worth it? (Plus not possible if we're over the 2nd apron)

It definitely works money-wise, saves us a tiny bit. And gets you off the long term Jrue money. Treading water next whilst doing that to clear money going forward is good. You get 6 or 7 seed with the possibility of adding Tatum back while clearing the books for the following year. Not too shabby given where we're at.

I can see the logic, but you're missing the main point:
Our Tatum replacement for next year -- and maybe beyond -- is already on the roster.
That's right, get ready for: THE TORREY CRAIG ERA!!
brought to you by James Posey Fans, Inc.

[phincsfan]

White is turning 31 in July. His trade value is at its highest right now.

[Larry_Russell]

I love the dramatic ideas, but I actually don't think you do much different than we were planning.
First, see how Tatum's timeline looks. See what, if any, medical work Brown needs this offseason.

Trade Hauser, Jrue for tax relief / shorter contracts.
KP is expiring, so no need unless you can get something positive.

Jrue for Klay and Gafford. Dallas pays someone else to take the remaining salary needed. Only saves $1.3M but Gafford is expiring, Klay will be easy to move next summer.

BOS: 22 & future 2nd(s) for Hauser, 28, 32
ATL: 22 & Niang for Hauser, 28
DET: Fontecchio, future 2nd(s) for Niang
WAS or BKN: Fontecchio, 32 for fake 2nd.


White, Pritchard, JD
Klay, Baylor, Walsh
Gafford, KP, Queta
22
Vet mins: AL, Luke, other

Injured: Brown, Tatum

You've reduced the tax bill for next year and set yourself up to duck it entirely going forward. If Brown plays most of the year, we still sneak into the play-in range or higher. Then Tatum could be back and you have enough to make some noise in the playoffs.

Worst case, Pritchard and Baylor get all sorts of minutes. Maybe one of Walsh, JD, 22 do something as well.
Next summer, you get a good pick, move Klay, decide between Gafford and KP. Maybe S&T either/both, etc.

Wouldnt Jrue be worth Gafford AND Washington?


Maybe Kristaps to New Orleans for Olynyk and Herb Jones??

If I'm Dallas and looking at Jrue's year and remaining contract, I want to shed Klay as part of taking that on. If we can work it so we don't, even better. I just try to keep a modest baseline.

New Orleans doesn't touch that deal, imo. Jones is worth more than an expiring KP.

I love jones, but they have no center, they need one that spaces for Zion, and they have Murphy3.

I think they just might because the fit of a floor spacing center is far better for them than another SF. I think Jones is clearly a lesser player than Murphy3.

[djFan71]

I like Jrue to Dallas conceptually too, but I don't see any very useful return from them. PJ Washington is net neutral/treading water sort of player, and while I loved Klay back in the day, the day is LONG gone. I could talk myself into Jrue for Gafford and PJ, but all I'm accomplishing there is maybe helping next year's team fight for the #6 or 7 seed in the East -- given that PJ can fill a bunch of Tatum minutes in a 'replacement player' sort of way -- is that worth it? (Plus not possible if we're over the 2nd apron)

It definitely works money-wise, saves us a tiny bit. And gets you off the long term Jrue money. Treading water next whilst doing that to clear money going forward is good. You get 6 or 7 seed with the possibility of adding Tatum back while clearing the books for the following year. Not too shabby given where we're at.

I can see the logic, but you're missing the main point:
Our Tatum replacement for next year -- and maybe beyond -- is already on the roster.
That's right, get ready for: THE TORREY CRAIG ERA!!
brought to you by James Posey Fans, Inc.

From your lips to Joe's ears!

[31to6]

Shake it up: JB for Ja.

We upgrade in talent, they get a guy who won't make headlines for the wrong reasons.

can I say that the new Celtics ownership group might not want to come in with that sort of BANG?

[Memokerobi]

Trade Brown to Houston for Amen Thompson or Jabari Smith (FVV salary one year left) and their 10th pick.

Trade Brown and Hauser to Utah for Markkanen and Kessler +21st pick saves us 9 million as well. Utah can not use anymore young players. Ainge catching heat for tanking.

Trade Brown for Zion straight up. Saves us 10 million.

Trade Brown to SAS for 2nd pick?? Fillers may be required.

Would the Pacers trade Nembhard and Mathurin for him you think?

[djFan71]

Spoiler:

Wouldnt Jrue be worth Gafford AND Washington?


Maybe Kristaps to New Orleans for Olynyk and Herb Jones??

If I'm Dallas and looking at Jrue's year and remaining contract, I want to shed Klay as part of taking that on. If we can work it so we don't, even better. I just try to keep a modest baseline.

New Orleans doesn't touch that deal, imo. Jones is worth more than an expiring KP.

I love jones, but they have no center, they need one that spaces for Zion, and they have Murphy3.

I think they just might because the fit of a floor spacing center is far better for them than another SF. I think Jones is clearly a lesser player than Murphy3.

Agree on Murphy, but I just think they could get more elsewhere for Jones. KP on top of Zion with injuries would scare the heck out of anyone. Plus, even if it works, he's expiring. Sign me the heck up if they wanna do it though.

[31to6]

White is turning 31 in July. His trade value is at its highest right now.

I build around Derrick ahead of Jaylen
JB has age on his side but not health
DW has 'looks like he's gonna age well' on his side
DW is like half the cost as well
JB value might be as high as it's going to get now, too -- but who can say?
but LOL look at BPM on them this season -- nice 0.0 for Jaylen:
https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?player_id2=brownja02&year_min=2025&player_id1=whitede01&seasons_type=forall&request=1&utm_medium=sr_xsite&utm_campaign=2023_01_wdgt_player_comparison&utm_id=whitede01&utm_source=bbr