Gordon Hayward Thread

Red2 · Post #1001 » by **Red2** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:28 pm

Those drives against golden state where he got swallowed up by their defense and turned it over were sad to see and frankly very discouraging. Add in the recent string of bad shooting games and it’s hard to be optimistic about Gordon right now. I really think he would benefit from a few weeks off just so he can get his mind right and relax . He’s putting too much pressure on himself . But physically he’s not back yet and I have serious doubts that he will be any better by May

cloverleaf · Post #1002 » by **cloverleaf** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:34 pm

yazfan wrote:I am convinced that if you give Hayward 33 mins/night (if he can) and run the offense thru him and Kyrie as main options
- Hayward instantly gets back to 16 pts a night (down from 22 in Utah due to Kyrie)
- Looks way better

Problem is he is coming of the bench which is crap and that is a different skill that he has not done in like 6 years. Hard to get a flow of the game especially when your teammates almost never look your way.

He is socially cut out on this team.

What possibly is there to convince you of that?

yazfan · Post #1003 » by **yazfan** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:58 pm

cloverleaf wrote:
yazfan wrote:I am convinced that if you give Hayward 33 mins/night (if he can) and run the offense thru him and Kyrie as main options
- Hayward instantly gets back to 16 pts a night (down from 22 in Utah due to Kyrie)
- Looks way better

Problem is he is coming of the bench which is crap and that is a different skill that he has not done in like 6 years. Hard to get a flow of the game especially when your teammates almost never look your way.

He is socially cut out on this team.

What possibly is there to convince you of that?

His 3 big games this year when he did have a high usage rate.

ddb · Post #1004 » by **ddb** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:49 pm

issues with Hayward right now

-no confidence in his ankle
-He's overweight and needs to lose 15lbs
-Brad Stevens has him camping out in the corner half of the time
-HUGE role change. Hayward is used to starting and having the ball in his hands. Here he's coming off the bench and trying to "fit in"

I wonder if this is all by design?? because Brad Stevens has proven that he isn't this stupid. Is there the possibility that Boston is playing the long-game here and basically told Gordon that this season is all about him getting back into the NBA flow, regaining strength, and the front office featuring Tatum more so they are able to pull of the AD deal in the summer?

Kyrie-Hayward-AD-Horford at full-strength has the potential to win Championships. Think about it. There has been maybe 3 or 4 games where they basically said, "Gordon, go do your thing". and he's been excellent in those games. It's actually pretty weird this whole situation and I feel like they are almost purposely holding him back.

So there's my conspiracy theory for the day

mbsnmisc · Post #1005 » by **mbsnmisc** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:02 pm

VeryMuchWoke wrote:
yazfan wrote:Just read the article on ESPN saying Hayward has to level up...which I agree with.

I was very dissapointed to read this...

"That status is precisely why, despite the many ups and downs his season has gone through so far, the Celtics continue to run Hayward out there for significant minutes on a nightly basis. That decision, at times, has frustrated the younger members of the team, who see Hayward as an impediment to the roles they grew accustomed to."

Let's see the anonymous youngsters get 2 max contracts , make the all-star game then break their leg in a horrific injury. This crap pisses me off

That's from Tim Bontemps and it's 100% made up.

Bontemps has a perpetual hardon of hate for the C's.

Scarletfire81 · Post #1006 » by **Scarletfire81** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:18 pm

We all have to hope Hayward returns to 80 percent of himself by the playoffs. I would rather include him in a trade instead of Tatum

yazfan · Post #1007 » by **yazfan** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:57 pm

Scarletfire81 wrote:We all have to hope Hayward returns to 80 percent of himself by the playoffs. I would rather include him in a trade instead of Tatum

Hayward has minimal trade value after this year because he can opt out after next.....

Bohemian · Post #1008 » by **Bohemian** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:07 pm

ddb wrote:issues with Hayward right now

-no confidence in his ankle
-He's overweight and needs to lose 15lbs
-Brad Stevens has him camping out in the corner half of the time
-HUGE role change. Hayward is used to starting and having the ball in his hands. Here he's coming off the bench and trying to "fit in"

I wonder if this is all by design?? because Brad Stevens has proven that he isn't this stupid. Is there the possibility that Boston is playing the long-game here and basically told Gordon that this season is all about him getting back into the NBA flow, regaining strength, and the front office featuring Tatum more so they are able to pull of the AD deal in the summer?

Kyrie-Hayward-AD-Horford at full-strength has the potential to win Championships. Think about it. There has been maybe 3 or 4 games where they basically said, "Gordon, go do your thing". and he's been excellent in those games. It's actually pretty weird this whole situation and I feel like they are almost purposely holding him back.

So there's my conspiracy theory for the day

I don´t think he is. He actually looked stronger and heavier last year during the preseason

AlCelticFan · Post #1009 » by **AlCelticFan** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:30 pm

ddb wrote:issues with Hayward right now

-no confidence in his ankle
-He's overweight and needs to lose 15lbs
-Brad Stevens has him camping out in the corner half of the time
-HUGE role change. Hayward is used to starting and having the ball in his hands. Here he's coming off the bench and trying to "fit in"

I wonder if this is all by design?? because Brad Stevens has proven that he isn't this stupid. Is there the possibility that Boston is playing the long-game here and basically told Gordon that this season is all about him getting back into the NBA flow, regaining strength, and the front office featuring Tatum more so they are able to pull of the AD deal in the summer?

Kyrie-Hayward-AD-Horford at full-strength has the potential to win Championships. Think about it. There has been maybe 3 or 4 games where they basically said, "Gordon, go do your thing". and he's been excellent in those games. It's actually pretty weird this whole situation and I feel like they are almost purposely holding him back.

So there's my conspiracy theory for the day

They could be bringing Hayward along slowly, knowing he's not 100% physically. Giving more time to showcase other guys to get a consolidation trade to bring in another All Star.

ddb · Post #1010 » by **ddb** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:31 pm

AlCelticFan wrote:
ddb wrote:issues with Hayward right now

-no confidence in his ankle
-He's overweight and needs to lose 15lbs
-Brad Stevens has him camping out in the corner half of the time
-HUGE role change. Hayward is used to starting and having the ball in his hands. Here he's coming off the bench and trying to "fit in"

I wonder if this is all by design?? because Brad Stevens has proven that he isn't this stupid. Is there the possibility that Boston is playing the long-game here and basically told Gordon that this season is all about him getting back into the NBA flow, regaining strength, and the front office featuring Tatum more so they are able to pull of the AD deal in the summer?

Kyrie-Hayward-AD-Horford at full-strength has the potential to win Championships. Think about it. There has been maybe 3 or 4 games where they basically said, "Gordon, go do your thing". and he's been excellent in those games. It's actually pretty weird this whole situation and I feel like they are almost purposely holding him back.

So there's my conspiracy theory for the day

They could be bringing Hayward along slowly, knowing he's not 100% physically. Giving more time to showcase other guys to get a consolidation trade to bring in another All Star.

Right. I mean a healthy Hayward along with Kyrie, AD, and Horford is freaking ridiculous.

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Post #1011 » by **Parliament10** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:44 pm

Remember when Gordon Hayward was Relevant?

shawn unkempt · Post #1012 » by **shawn unkempt** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:56 pm

Parliament10 wrote:Remember when Gordon Hayward was Relevant?

Not really, considering he's never had a chance to be a part of the team before the injury. I might be more confident about his return to form if I'd seen him play well with this team before, but that's not really his fault.

AlCelticFan · Post #1013 » by **AlCelticFan** » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:03 pm

ddb wrote:
AlCelticFan wrote:
ddb wrote:issues with Hayward right now

-no confidence in his ankle
-He's overweight and needs to lose 15lbs
-Brad Stevens has him camping out in the corner half of the time
-HUGE role change. Hayward is used to starting and having the ball in his hands. Here he's coming off the bench and trying to "fit in"

I wonder if this is all by design?? because Brad Stevens has proven that he isn't this stupid. Is there the possibility that Boston is playing the long-game here and basically told Gordon that this season is all about him getting back into the NBA flow, regaining strength, and the front office featuring Tatum more so they are able to pull of the AD deal in the summer?

Kyrie-Hayward-AD-Horford at full-strength has the potential to win Championships. Think about it. There has been maybe 3 or 4 games where they basically said, "Gordon, go do your thing". and he's been excellent in those games. It's actually pretty weird this whole situation and I feel like they are almost purposely holding him back.

So there's my conspiracy theory for the day

They could be bringing Hayward along slowly, knowing he's not 100% physically. Giving more time to showcase other guys to get a consolidation trade to bring in another All Star.
Right. I mean a healthy Hayward along with Kyrie, AD, and Horford is freaking ridiculous.

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What I would give to sit down with Ainge and Brad and talk about their strategies for team building etc... If they're as smart as we think they are, then there is a LOT... that is never heard about in the media at all. Sigh...

nickgammon · Post #1014 » by **nickgammon** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:21 am

AlCelticFan wrote:
ddb wrote:
AlCelticFan wrote:
They could be bringing Hayward along slowly, knowing he's not 100% physically. Giving more time to showcase other guys to get a consolidation trade to bring in another All Star.
Right. I mean a healthy Hayward along with Kyrie, AD, and Horford is freaking ridiculous.

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What I would give to sit down with Ainge and Brad and talk about their strategies for team building etc... If they're as smart as we think they are, then there is a LOT... that is never heard about in the media at all. Sigh...

I think they just keep everything incredibly simple and let other franchises and the media overthink certain things. Even people on this board get mad at Danny for not making enough trades and Brad for not immediately pulling players like Hayward, Brown and Rozier from the lineup.

Patience has always paid off for this pairing of DA and Stevens. If they listened to the media, they would’ve traded Jaylen Brown and the Tatum pick for Jimmy Butler or drafted Markelle Fultz instead of Tatum. I would say Brad and Danny are given a lot of credit for these moves that are smart in hindsight, but their intelligence is really magnified by everyone else’s stupidity and short-sightedness. They built this team off of the impatience of the old Nets management, Suns, Cavs, and now, potentially, the Pels. All either are or were (in the case of Brooklyn) terribly run organizations.

Slimreaper703 · Post #1015 » by **Slimreaper703** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:23 pm

yazfan wrote:
Scarletfire81 wrote:We all have to hope Hayward returns to 80 percent of himself by the playoffs. I would rather include him in a trade instead of Tatum

Hayward has minimal trade value after this year because he can opt out after next.....

At this point its safe to assume he wont opt out
He’s getting paid 30 mil lol

OldCeltics · Post #1016 » by **OldCeltics** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:01 pm

Hayward was only an all-star for 1 year. He was a borderline all-star to begin with. Ainge took a gamble on his growth coming into his prime, but the injury happened.

Utah didn't want to give him Max.

If given more minutes and running offense through him, i'm sure he could score 16ppg. But his rebounding, assists, and poor defense, is close to where it was for his career.

Bohemian · Post #1017 » by **Bohemian** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:13 pm

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The_Ghost_of_JB · Post #1018 » by **The_Ghost_of_JB** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:14 pm

OldCeltics wrote:Hayward was only an all-star for 1 year. He was a borderline all-star to begin with. Ainge took a gamble on his growth coming into his prime, but the injury happened.

Utah didn't want to give him Max.

If given more minutes and running offense through him, i'm sure he could score 16ppg. But his rebounding, assists, and poor defense, is close to where it was for his career.

Agree with most of this beside the passing and to a lesser extent the rebounding. Think he does okay in that regard. His unwillingness to shoot and his shot percent is what is concerning.

OldCeltics · Post #1019 » by **OldCeltics** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:21 pm

The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:
OldCeltics wrote:Hayward was only an all-star for 1 year. He was a borderline all-star to begin with. Ainge took a gamble on his growth coming into his prime, but the injury happened.

Utah didn't want to give him Max.

If given more minutes and running offense through him, i'm sure he could score 16ppg. But his rebounding, assists, and poor defense, is close to where it was for his career.

Agree with most of this beside the passing and to a lesser extent the rebounding. Think he does okay in that regard. His unwillingness to shoot and his shot percent is what is concerning.

He doesn't have enough speed to get open. He's a role player right now.

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RoyceDa59 · Post #1020 » by **RoyceDa59** » Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:11 pm

yazfan wrote:
Scarletfire81 wrote:We all have to hope Hayward returns to 80 percent of himself by the playoffs. I would rather include him in a trade instead of Tatum

Hayward has minimal trade value after this year because he can opt out after next.....

Hayward opting out of his contract has 0% chance of happening, but if he did, it would be a huge blessing for the Celtics.