Kawhi Thread, Numero 4 -- Traded to Raptors for DeRozan, others

CelticsLV · Post #1001 » by **CelticsLV** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 3:08 pm

It seems like Sixers are loading up for a trade. They have 17 players under contract now and it seems they want to also bring Bolden over.

sam_I_am · Post #1002 » by **sam_I_am** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 3:18 pm

If Kawhi is not traded to Lakers, Lebron will be 35 when he is a free agent. What if Lakers don’t have a great season or even a very good one? What if Ingram and Ball don’t excel next to Lebron and lose even more value? As it is, I wouldn’t trade Sac19 pick for Kuzma and certainly not for a 190 lb. wing or a PG with a bum knee who can’t shoot. I think Rozier and Sac19 is better than anything LAL can offer so I am sure there will be no Kawhi to Lakers deal this year. I think Kawhi will go to Sixers and I think after playing with Simmons and Embiid he will stay.

ConstableGeneva · Post #1003 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 3:19 pm

CelticsLV wrote:It seems like Sixers are loading up for a trade. They have 17 players under contract now and it seems they want to also bring Bolden over.

Throw in Holmes, 2020 1st swap, 2021 MIA 1st. Solid haul.
Then Kawhi walks after a year.

Valid · Post #1004 » by **Valid** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 3:23 pm

sam_I_am wrote:If Kawhi is not traded to Lakers, Lebron will be 35 when he is a free agent. What if Lakers don’t have a great season or even a very good one? What if Ingram and Ball don’t excel next to Lebron and lose even more value? As it is, I wouldn’t trade Sac19 pick for Kuzma and certainly not for a 190 lb. wing or a PG with a bum knee who can’t shoot. I think Rozier and Sac19 is better than anything LAL can offer so I am sure there will be no Kawhi to Lakers deal this year. I think Kawhi will go to Sixers and I think after playing with Simmons and Embiid he will stay.

Ingram and Kuzma > Rozier and Sac pick.

watsonthedragon · Post #1005 » by **watsonthedragon** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 3:40 pm

We haven't had a ddb or reload bomb in years it feels like. Guys, if you give us something we can make easily get to #5 :lol:

Tyakack · Post #1006 » by **Tyakack** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 3:46 pm

watsonthedragon wrote:We haven't had a ddb or reload bomb in years it feels like. Guys, if you give us something we can make easily get to #5

I'm sure if they had something they would share. Not much going on right now I guess.

Valid · Post #1007 » by **Valid** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 3:53 pm

Tyakack wrote:
watsonthedragon wrote:We haven't had a ddb or reload bomb in years it feels like. Guys, if you give us something we can make easily get to #5

I'm sure if they had something they would share. Not much going on right now I guess.

You get kind of get the feeling that things are at a stalemate right now because none of these teams have any reason to rush. The Spurs basically have three months to work out a trade for him, and the contenders for Kawhi also have three months to come up with offers. I feel like the Lakers hold the cards here, though. If they cave and include Brandon Ingram, Kawhi will be a Laker, but until then, this is going to be a long, drawn-out process.

Post #1008 » by **sully00** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 3:55 pm

Valid wrote:How hilarious would all of this be if Kawhi suddenly decides to sign a supermax with San Antonio?

And you know what? Seeing how unbelievably volatile this situation has become, I'm not even sure I would rule out that possibility.

Agreed that is a massive amount of money he is walking away from. Sign the deal and push for the trade again in a year if your not happy. It toys with the emotions of the people involved but it is almost like a FA situation for Leonard as he can pull this stunt and see the teams that interested and at what level. Kind of the way teams shop pending FA's at the trade deadline. Some of the drama I am sure is real but some of it also seems like it could be manufactured. Reports of his waning interest in LA is telling and SA still trying to convince him to stay seems like the door is wide open to just about anything.

Valid · Post #1009 » by **Valid** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 3:57 pm

sully00 wrote:
Valid wrote:How hilarious would all of this be if Kawhi suddenly decides to sign a supermax with San Antonio?

And you know what? Seeing how unbelievably volatile this situation has become, I'm not even sure I would rule out that possibility.

Agreed that is a massive amount of money he is walking away from. Sign the deal and push for the trade again in a year if your not happy. It toys with the emotions of the people involved but it is almost like a FA situation for Leonard as he can pull this stunt and see the teams that interested and at what level. Kind of the way teams shop pending FA's at the trade deadline. Some of the drama I am sure is real but some of it also seems like it could be manufactured. Reports of his waning interest in LA is telling and SA still trying to convince him to stay seems like the door is wide open to just about anything.

Yeah. The fact that we have heard so many conflicting reports about this situation--even from the most connected reporters such as Woj and Shams--leads me to believe that no one really knows what is going on for sure. For all we know, Kawhi could be leaning toward signing the supermax.

ConstableGeneva · Post #1010 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 3:58 pm

Tyakack wrote:
watsonthedragon wrote:We haven't had a ddb or reload bomb in years it feels like. Guys, if you give us something we can make easily get to #5

I'm sure if they had something they would share. Not much going on right now I guess.

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Taget · Post #1011 » by **Taget** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 4:08 pm

sully00 wrote:
SMTBSI wrote:I keep sitting down and trying to figure this out. Saying to myself, "Obviously we're not going to give up the farm, and obviously San Antonio's not going to take a nothing burger, so what's a fair compromise?"

And I keep giving up after about two minutes. As long as we have reason to believe he's set on LAL, I'm not giving up any of Brown, Tatum or the Sac pick. And, for someone of Leonard's caliber, those are the only there assets that really matter. I don't see them accepting any combination of lesser picks and players, no matter how much raw quantity we try to shovel into the deal.

Since I haven't heard otherwise, I assume SAS still hasn't given us permission to speak with Leonard directly? If they want us to up our offer, one would think that they would do that, unless they know we're not going to like what we hear. So that's the only conclusion I can draw: that we wouldn't like what we heard.

So I'm at a point where I'm not just skeptical that there's a deal - I'm almost certain there's not one.

There is an update on Hoopsrumors about how complicated this is because Leonard's agent is not an NBA agent who people have a level of trust and nobody knows the validity of what his Uncle is saying. It seems like the communication situation is really bad for SA never mind mixing in another team. SA would also like KL to wake up tomorrow and change his mind and sign that super max contract. I think the Lakers talk was to put pressure on the Spurs who may not have been taking KL trade request seriously. Basically if you don't trade KL then he will sign with the Lakers in '19. There now seems to be just as much whispering that he doesn't really want to be Lebron's sidekick or try and share the town with him by going to the Clippers. That said he has no reason to give anyone any assurances on what he is going to do a year from now.

I always felt that Irving and Leonard where trying to get together. I am not so sure now I am concerned that from a marketing standpoint it may be difficult for them to share the same team. But you also have to have killer teammates to win. Would Irving and Leonard be the partnership that he may be concerned might not play out with Lebron?

From what I have been reading that agency (Impact Sports) sounds like something out of the show Ballers. And helps explain why this has been such a head scratching and unnecessarily bizarre circus. I know sports journalism is an oxymoron but how come Cris Carter's connections to Impact Sports are never publicly laid out on the table? http://impactse.com/testimonial-item/testimonial-3/

I guess I'm still in the camp of get Kawhi but perhaps put protections on any draft picks we offer triggered based on whether he re-signs with us. But how much we really want this drama?

Post #1012 » by **djFan71** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 4:27 pm

Yeesh, if the headline link stuff is true, that's some mental midget bs:

He preferred the Lakers but was okay with the Clippers. Now that LeBron's in L.A., I think the idea of going head-to-head with LeBron to have you with the Clippers, him with the Lakers and to maybe feel dwarfed by that. I'm told that's become far less appealing to him.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250582/Kawhi-Leonard-Finds-Clippers-Less-Appealing-With-LeBron-James-Joining-Lakers

Valid · Post #1013 » by **Valid** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 4:32 pm

djFan71 wrote:Yeesh, if the headline link stuff is true, that's some mental midget bs:

He preferred the Lakers but was okay with the Clippers. Now that LeBron's in L.A., I think the idea of going head-to-head with LeBron to have you with the Clippers, him with the Lakers and to maybe feel dwarfed by that. I'm told that's become far less appealing to him.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250582/Kawhi-Leonard-Finds-Clippers-Less-Appealing-With-LeBron-James-Joining-Lakers

See I'm not buying this stuff because Kawhi has never, ever been one to want the spotlight.

I'm not sure what to believe anymore. This is the probably the most bizarre situation involving a star I have ever seen in the NBA.

CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #1014 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 4:39 pm

So which of the 3 is it?

1. Kawhi wants to go to the Lakers now because he wants to play with Lebron?
2. Kawhi wants to go to the Clippers now, because he doesn't want to play with Lebron?
3. Kawhi wants to go to the Lakers and avoid the Clippers, because he doesn't want to be dwarfed by Lebron and the Lakers?

Seems like we get a new scenario every single day.

Anyhow, ddb said a trade wouldn't happen until midsummer. Usually, the Celtics do quite well for themselves when trades happen at around that time. 2007 - KG trade didn't happen until the final week of July. 2017 - Kyrie trade didn't happen until mid-to-late August. Let's just wait to see what's what.

sam_I_am · Post #1015 » by **sam_I_am** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 4:39 pm

Valid wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:If Kawhi is not traded to Lakers, Lebron will be 35 when he is a free agent. What if Lakers don’t have a great season or even a very good one? What if Ingram and Ball don’t excel next to Lebron and lose even more value? As it is, I wouldn’t trade Sac19 pick for Kuzma and certainly not for a 190 lb. wing or a PG with a bum knee who can’t shoot. I think Rozier and Sac19 is better than anything LAL can offer so I am sure there will be no Kawhi to Lakers deal this year. I think Kawhi will go to Sixers and I think after playing with Simmons and Embiid he will stay.

Ingram and Kuzma > Rozier and Sac pick.

Kuzma may be better than Rozier but would you trade the Sac pick for him? I sure as hell wouldn’t. Ingram was statistaclly worse than Rozier last year with more usage. If you compare Rozier as starter he was better. Is his value around league higher? Probably. That said, I would t trade Sac pick for any player on Lakers - maybe I’m underrating Kuzma but I think it’s everybody else overrating his upside because he was a rookie and forgetting he was already 22.

cloverleaf · Post #1016 » by **cloverleaf** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 4:52 pm

sam_I_am wrote:
Valid wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:If Kawhi is not traded to Lakers, Lebron will be 35 when he is a free agent. What if Lakers don’t have a great season or even a very good one? What if Ingram and Ball don’t excel next to Lebron and lose even more value? As it is, I wouldn’t trade Sac19 pick for Kuzma and certainly not for a 190 lb. wing or a PG with a bum knee who can’t shoot. I think Rozier and Sac19 is better than anything LAL can offer so I am sure there will be no Kawhi to Lakers deal this year. I think Kawhi will go to Sixers and I think after playing with Simmons and Embiid he will stay.

Ingram and Kuzma > Rozier and Sac pick.

Kuzma may be better than Rozier but would you trade the Sac pick for him? I sure as hell wouldn’t. Ingram was statistaclly worse than Rozier last year with more usage. If you compare Rozier as starter he was better. Is his value around league higher? Probably. That said, I would t trade Sac pick for any player on Lakers - maybe I’m underrating Kuzma but I think it’s everybody else overrating his upside because he was a rookie and forgetting he was already 22.

Of course KL is worth more to the Lakers than to the C's. But I'd assume TRo is being dangled with picks, as well as Morris and maybe another salary. Alternatively, they could offer a re-signed Smart with picks.

ConstableGeneva · Post #1017 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 4:52 pm

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Monroe, Nader, and Yabu is an overpay imo.

truth18 · Post #1018 » by **truth18** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 4:54 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:

Read on Twitter

Monroe, Nader, and Yabu is an overpay imo.

Brett is doing a good job attempting to build up Fultz' value again.

ConstableGeneva · Post #1019 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 4:55 pm

Never mind. They misinterpreted our "five best players" and put Rozier over Horford. Idjits.

Post #1020 » by **djFan71** » Thu Jul 5, 2018 5:27 pm

Valid wrote:
djFan71 wrote:Yeesh, if the headline link stuff is true, that's some mental midget bs:

He preferred the Lakers but was okay with the Clippers. Now that LeBron's in L.A., I think the idea of going head-to-head with LeBron to have you with the Clippers, him with the Lakers and to maybe feel dwarfed by that. I'm told that's become far less appealing to him.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250582/Kawhi-Leonard-Finds-Clippers-Less-Appealing-With-LeBron-James-Joining-Lakers

See I'm not buying this stuff because Kawhi has never, ever been one to want the spotlight.

I'm not sure what to believe anymore. This is the probably the most bizarre situation involving a star I have ever seen in the NBA.

Yeah, it's crazy. From teams putting all their players off limits in trades for a top 5 player, to blatantly creating room for him NEXT summer, to the star himself either being unverifiably injured all year or flat out just refusing to play, and not saying a word one way or the other. Entertaining-ish at least.