The Kyrie thread - he probably doesnt bleed green

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Yeah I don't think anyone really likes Irving as a person. Not his teammates, not Brad, not Danny, not Wyc, not the fans. But I still want him back because he's really good and because he is essentially our ticket to Anthony Davis. If Davis knows Kyrie is staying, I am 95 percent sure AD will end up a Celtic, and that is too tantalizing to pass up, even if the duo of Kyrie and Davis is not the least bit likeable from an outsider's perspective.

I do want him back to because like you said Irving stays then Davis is in play. But if Irving stays you simply cannot bring the same team back especially having three small forwards that all need minutes.

Agreed. To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure I even want Kyrie back if we can't land AD. It is blatantly obvious that the guys on this team do not like him, and unlike with Hayward where the guys just had a problem with him taking their minutes, I don't see their relationship with Kyrie magically getting fixed over the summer. He's just not likeable at all.

It's a tricky situation, because Irving is certainly a unique talent and is unquestionably one of the best scorers in the league, but you really have to wonder if bringing him back is worth it if we aren't able to bring Davis in.

I want him back for the simple reason that he's extremely talented and if he is on the Celtics there's a potential for other players to join him. If he leaves he takes his cap space with him and it Celtics are going to struggle to sign anybody.

But you can't have Hayward Tatum and brown on the same team again. Tatum and brown were clearly upset that Hayward was getting minutes over them. I get it because Hayward didn't play well but what are you going to do? Have him rot on the bench where he'll never ever get better or play him and take your lumps now and hopefully when the season starts next year he's somewhat resembles his own form?

But I hundred percent understand why people don't want him back. He was a head case all yesr and he pretty much took a huge **** on the middle of the floor the past 4 games and didn't own up to it at all.

[Green89]

I said about Midway through the season Irving turned into LeBron but no one believed me.

Irving isn't going to change ever. He wasn't happy going to the finals every year with LeBron and he was miserable in Boston. He'll go to New York with the KD and he won't be happy there either.

Celtics bent over backwards for Irving and almost all of that was because he was in a contract year and the Celtics were afraid to lose them.

I can't imagine Wyc was happy and I feel bad to Stevens that he had to go on the radio station and defend Irving's choice to sit out games but the play in the All-Star game. Then the team had to deal with all the interviews in him going to the media complaining about the young guys. even his last press conference sucked where he pretty much through the team under the bus and he's looking forward to watch a Milwaukee play. Who the hell says that?

He wasn't the only problem but he's the one that stood out the most. I think Danny wants him back because talent wins in the league but I don't think Wyc does.

Yeah I don't think anyone really likes Irving as a person. Not his teammates, not Brad, not Danny, not Wyc, not the fans. But I still want him back because he's really good and because he is essentially our ticket to Anthony Davis. If Davis knows Kyrie is staying, I am 95 percent sure AD will end up a Celtic, and that is too tantalizing to pass up, even if the duo of Kyrie and Davis is not the least bit likeable from an outsider's perspective.

I do want him back to because like you said Irving stays then Davis is in play. But if Irving stays you simply cannot bring the same team back especially having three small forwards that all need minutes.

There was that phone call where Irving supposedly reached out to Lebron to ask about dealing with young players who weren't buying in (just like a young Kyrie in Cleveland). Maybe instead of advice on that, Lebron just said "just get through the year any way you can and come join me in LA when you're a free agent."

[Valid]

I do want him back to because like you said Irving stays then Davis is in play. But if Irving stays you simply cannot bring the same team back especially having three small forwards that all need minutes.

Agreed. To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure I even want Kyrie back if we can't land AD. It is blatantly obvious that the guys on this team do not like him, and unlike with Hayward where the guys just had a problem with him taking their minutes, I don't see their relationship with Kyrie magically getting fixed over the summer. He's just not likeable at all.

It's a tricky situation, because Irving is certainly a unique talent and is unquestionably one of the best scorers in the league, but you really have to wonder if bringing him back is worth it if we aren't able to bring Davis in.

I want him back for the simple reason that he's extremely talented and if he is on the Celtics there's a potential for other players to join him. If he leaves he takes his cap space with him and it Celtics are going to struggle to sign anybody.

But you can't have Hayward Tatum and brown on the same team again. Tatum and brown were clearly upset that Hayward was getting minutes over them. I get it because Hayward didn't play well but what are you going to do? Have him rot on the bench where he'll never ever get better or play him and take your lumps now and hopefully when the season starts next year he's somewhat resembles his own form?

But I hundred percent understand why people don't want him back. He was a head case all yesr and he pretty much took a huge **** on the middle of the floor the past 4 games and didn't own up to it at all.

I think Hayward, Tatum and Brown actually can play on the same team because there don't really seem to be any irreparable issues there. It seems to me that Tatum and Brown simply let their egos get in the way this past season, which is understandable because, in all reality, they really are a couple of kids. I think this year will serve as a humbling experience for both of them and that they will be okay with Hayward going forward.

I could be wrong, but I think they will adjust and be just fine.

Of course, that point is probably moot anyway, because chances are, Tatum and possibly Brown are getting traded for AD this summer. If Kyrie commits to re-sign, that is.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I said about Midway through the season Irving turned into LeBron but no one believed me.

Irving isn't going to change ever. He wasn't happy going to the finals every year with LeBron and he was miserable in Boston. He'll go to New York with the KD and he won't be happy there either.

Celtics bent over backwards for Irving and almost all of that was because he was in a contract year and the Celtics were afraid to lose them.

I can't imagine Wyc was happy and I feel bad to Stevens that he had to go on the radio station and defend Irving's choice to sit out games but the play in the All-Star game. Then the team had to deal with all the interviews in him going to the media complaining about the young guys. even his last press conference sucked where he pretty much through the team under the bus and he's looking forward to watch a Milwaukee play. Who the hell says that?

He wasn't the only problem but he's the one that stood out the most. I think Danny wants him back because talent wins in the league but I don't think Wyc does.

Yeah I don't think anyone really likes Irving as a person. Not his teammates, not Brad, not Danny, not Wyc, not the fans. But I still want him back because he's really good and because he is essentially our ticket to Anthony Davis. If Davis knows Kyrie is staying, I am 95 percent sure AD will end up a Celtic, and that is too tantalizing to pass up, even if the duo of Kyrie and Davis is not the least bit likeable from an outsider's perspective.

I do want him back to because like you said Irving stays then Davis is in play. But if Irving stays you simply cannot bring the same team back especially having three small forwards that all need minutes.

To be honest, I’m not really sure Kyrie would help the AD situation long term. I mean, Kyrie was miserable in Cleveland with LeBron and LeBron did try to trade him. I dont think our locker room gets better if we keep Kyrie and trade the kids for AD.

[Valid]

Yeah I don't think anyone really likes Irving as a person. Not his teammates, not Brad, not Danny, not Wyc, not the fans. But I still want him back because he's really good and because he is essentially our ticket to Anthony Davis. If Davis knows Kyrie is staying, I am 95 percent sure AD will end up a Celtic, and that is too tantalizing to pass up, even if the duo of Kyrie and Davis is not the least bit likeable from an outsider's perspective.

I do want him back to because like you said Irving stays then Davis is in play. But if Irving stays you simply cannot bring the same team back especially having three small forwards that all need minutes.

To be honest, I’m not really sure Kyrie would help the AD situation long term. I mean, Kyrie was miserable in Cleveland with LeBron and LeBron did try to trade him. I dont think our locker room gets better if we keep Kyrie and trade the kids for AD.

I'm not sure it does, either, but the difference is that AD is already a superstar so Kyrie would tolerate him more. Vice versa, too.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Kyrie and AD are friends, so that would obviously help, as well.

AD also isn't LeBron. No one is that unbearable. Not even Kyrie. lol.

[Andrew McCeltic]

A point for Kyrie is also that besides needing to grow as a leader and handle the media, he also had more weight on his shoulders this year, probably too much, and having Davis and a semi-healthy Hayward would make his life a lot easier on and off-court.. skills we sort of already have can break down under major stress..

[SuperDeluxe]

A point for Kyrie is also that besides needing to grow as a leader and handle the media, he also had more weight on his shoulders this year, probably too much, and having Davis and a semi-healthy Hayward would make his life a lot easier on and off-court.. skills we sort of already have can break down under major stress..

How was the weight on his shoulders this year different than last year?

[NYCelticsfan136]

Agreed. To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure I even want Kyrie back if we can't land AD. It is blatantly obvious that the guys on this team do not like him, and unlike with Hayward where the guys just had a problem with him taking their minutes, I don't see their relationship with Kyrie magically getting fixed over the summer. He's just not likeable at all.

It's a tricky situation, because Irving is certainly a unique talent and is unquestionably one of the best scorers in the league, but you really have to wonder if bringing him back is worth it if we aren't able to bring Davis in.

I want him back for the simple reason that he's extremely talented and if he is on the Celtics there's a potential for other players to join him. If he leaves he takes his cap space with him and it Celtics are going to struggle to sign anybody.

But you can't have Hayward Tatum and brown on the same team again. Tatum and brown were clearly upset that Hayward was getting minutes over them. I get it because Hayward didn't play well but what are you going to do? Have him rot on the bench where he'll never ever get better or play him and take your lumps now and hopefully when the season starts next year he's somewhat resembles his own form?

But I hundred percent understand why people don't want him back. He was a head case all yesr and he pretty much took a huge **** on the middle of the floor the past 4 games and didn't own up to it at all.

I think Hayward, Tatum and Brown actually can play on the same team because there don't really seem to be any irreparable issues there. It seems to me that Tatum and Brown simply let their egos get in the way this past season, which is understandable because, in all reality, they really are a couple of kids. I think this year will serve as a humbling experience for both of them and that they will be okay with Hayward going forward.

I could be wrong, but I think they will adjust and be just fine.

Of course, that point is probably moot anyway, because chances are, Tatum and possibly Brown are getting traded for AD this summer. If Kyrie commits to re-sign, that is.

And they will give up the farm to get AD. AD and Kyrie. I keep saying it that AD and Kyrie doesn’t guaranteed a championship. You need a scoring wing and a couple of more players . I think the Celtics are gonna take a huge gamble here and ainge better hope it works out otherwise he is gone.

[wco81]

If other teams are balking at maxing him out, should the Celtics be?

He had a real poor playoffs after playing well in his playoffs campaigns with the Cavs.

So this playoffs campaign is a statistical outlier. But could it also be reflective of playing with this roster vs. playing with one of the all time greatest playoffs performers?


If they re-sign him but are unable to get AD, would the results be different next season or the following seasons while Kyrie is earning max money?

The top EC teams may all change, losing key players. So this Celtics team may do better simply by virtue of the other top EC teams getting worse than they were this season.

Uh, no. It has everything to do with a toxic locker room that was largely promoted by Kyrie himself. To think that he just suddenly forgot how to play basketball in Games 2 through 5 because he wasn't playing with LeBron (who has made plenty of players worse, by the way) is silly.

Lebron draws the best defenders on opposing teams. And will get trapped.

Players like JR Smith were effective only because they played with him.

We'll have to see if Kyrie performs in the playoffs like he did in Cleveland.

[NYCelticsfan136]

If other teams are balking at maxing him out, should the Celtics be?

He had a real poor playoffs after playing well in his playoffs campaigns with the Cavs.

So this playoffs campaign is a statistical outlier. But could it also be reflective of playing with this roster vs. playing with one of the all time greatest playoffs performers?


If they re-sign him but are unable to get AD, would the results be different next season or the following seasons while Kyrie is earning max money?

The top EC teams may all change, losing key players. So this Celtics team may do better simply by virtue of the other top EC teams getting worse than they were this season.

Uh, no. It has everything to do with a toxic locker room that was largely promoted by Kyrie himself. To think that he just suddenly forgot how to play basketball in Games 2 through 5 because he wasn't playing with LeBron (who has made plenty of players worse, by the way) is silly.

Lebron draws the best defenders on opposing teams. And will get trapped.

Players like JR Smith were effective only because they played with him.

We'll have to see if Kyrie performs in the playoffs like he did in Cleveland.

Kyrie Irving bombed out in the playoffs. He wasn’t the only one in this team. I thought horford was the only guy that showed up along with brown.Irving, tatum, and hayward where putrid in the bucks series. Irving shot 48 percent from the field on the season. In the bucks series he shot 35 percent. That’s putrid! Tatum 36 percent. There’s your series in a nutshell. Tatum took a nosedive this year.

[Andrew McCeltic]

A point for Kyrie is also that besides needing to grow as a leader and handle the media, he also had more weight on his shoulders this year, probably too much, and having Davis and a semi-healthy Hayward would make his life a lot easier on and off-court.. skills we sort of already have can break down under major stress..

How was the weight on his shoulders this year different than last year?

Last year was a fresh start, pressure went off everyone when Hayward went down, Kyrie sparked a winning streak, no title expectations, lower playing time and shot opportunity expectations from within the team, no free agency pressure. Reverse that, this year, everyone was expecting us to be at the top of the conference, ahead of Toronto and Milwaukee, Rozier, Brown and Tatum were all unhappy and wanted more opportunity, Hayward's injury recovery was a stressor, they struggled all year, Kyrie cracked midseason from media questions and speculations..

[cloverleaf]

Agreed. To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure I even want Kyrie back if we can't land AD. It is blatantly obvious that the guys on this team do not like him, and unlike with Hayward where the guys just had a problem with him taking their minutes, I don't see their relationship with Kyrie magically getting fixed over the summer. He's just not likeable at all.

It's a tricky situation, because Irving is certainly a unique talent and is unquestionably one of the best scorers in the league, but you really have to wonder if bringing him back is worth it if we aren't able to bring Davis in.

I want him back for the simple reason that he's extremely talented and if he is on the Celtics there's a potential for other players to join him. If he leaves he takes his cap space with him and it Celtics are going to struggle to sign anybody.

But you can't have Hayward Tatum and brown on the same team again. Tatum and brown were clearly upset that Hayward was getting minutes over them. I get it because Hayward didn't play well but what are you going to do? Have him rot on the bench where he'll never ever get better or play him and take your lumps now and hopefully when the season starts next year he's somewhat resembles his own form?

But I hundred percent understand why people don't want him back. He was a head case all yesr and he pretty much took a huge **** on the middle of the floor the past 4 games and didn't own up to it at all.

I think Hayward, Tatum and Brown actually can play on the same team because there don't really seem to be any irreparable issues there. It seems to me that Tatum and Brown simply let their egos get in the way this past season, which is understandable because, in all reality, they really are a couple of kids. I think this year will serve as a humbling experience for both of them and that they will be okay with Hayward going forward.

I could be wrong, but I think they will adjust and be just fine.

Of course, that point is probably moot anyway, because chances are, Tatum and possibly Brown are getting traded for AD this summer. If Kyrie commits to re-sign, that is.

Shouldn't the title of this thread be changed to reflect that Kyrie still bleeds orange and blue?

JB and JT (and TR) have only had horrible examples of Me-Me-Me leadership here in Boston and in their pro careers: first IT for JB (and TR) and then KI.

I'm good with a S&T for Russell. Or for DeAndre. (Though where does the rest of the match come from?) I give GH, JT and JB big minutes starting next year, with a pass and defend PG and a big, shot-blocking, defend-to-the-3 center playing ahead of Williams. Al needs to redo his deal and go on a career-lengthening regimen of 3 games out of 4, for 20 minutes, off the bench.

[chrisab123]

I want him back for the simple reason that he's extremely talented and if he is on the Celtics there's a potential for other players to join him. If he leaves he takes his cap space with him and it Celtics are going to struggle to sign anybody.

But you can't have Hayward Tatum and brown on the same team again. Tatum and brown were clearly upset that Hayward was getting minutes over them. I get it because Hayward didn't play well but what are you going to do? Have him rot on the bench where he'll never ever get better or play him and take your lumps now and hopefully when the season starts next year he's somewhat resembles his own form?

But I hundred percent understand why people don't want him back. He was a head case all yesr and he pretty much took a huge **** on the middle of the floor the past 4 games and didn't own up to it at all.

I think Hayward, Tatum and Brown actually can play on the same team because there don't really seem to be any irreparable issues there. It seems to me that Tatum and Brown simply let their egos get in the way this past season, which is understandable because, in all reality, they really are a couple of kids. I think this year will serve as a humbling experience for both of them and that they will be okay with Hayward going forward.

I could be wrong, but I think they will adjust and be just fine.

Of course, that point is probably moot anyway, because chances are, Tatum and possibly Brown are getting traded for AD this summer. If Kyrie commits to re-sign, that is.

Shouldn't the title of this thread be changed to reflect that Kyrie still bleeds orange and blue?

JB and JT (and TR) have only had horrible examples of Me-Me-Me leadership here in Boston and in their pro careers: first IT for JB (and TR) and then KI.

I'm good with a S&T for Russell. Or for DeAndre. (Though where does the rest of the match come from?) I give GH, JT and JB big minutes starting next year, with a pass and defend PG and a big, shot-blocking, defend-to-the-3 center playing ahead of Williams. Al needs to redo his deal and go on a career-lengthening regimen of 3 games out of 4, for 20 minutes, off the bench.

Agreed. He's gone. He left. Why not change the thread name to thanks Kyrie for 2 years. Or Kyrie-NYC Thread.

[Celts17Pride]

Kyrie Irving never bought in to the Celtics. Kyrie Irving never bleed green. The title of this topic is ridiculous.

Just saying

[Red2]

If he comes back he has to share the ball and play defense

[Creole_Ce1tic]

Executives like Danny Ainge know that you don't let guys like Kyrie get away. If you don't offer a player like this (a future hall of famer) the max, you don't know basketball. And Danny Ainge KNOWS basketball.

[Curmudgeon]

If Danny Ainge knows basketball he'll pack Kyrie's bags for him. The real issue is whether or not Ainge is man enough to admit he made a mistake.

[Celts17Pride]

Executives like Danny Ainge know that you don't let guys like Kyrie get away. If you don't offer a player like this (a future hall of famer) the max, you don't know basketball. And Danny Ainge KNOWS basketball.

I agree 100% if your Danny Ainge you try and sign Kyrie. Don’t want to lose assets for nothing especially when you are over the salary cap.

The big difference is if Ainge was smart he would quickly send Kyrie packing as soon as a good deal can be made.

Keeping Kyrie will bring down the Celtics organization.

Moot point because I don’t think Kyrie Irving is resigning with the Celtics

[AKFO]

If he comes back he has to share the ball and play defense

He took some real big steps in both those regards this season. Albeit he regressed in the playoffs, I would hope and expect the he keeps improving on those if he comes back.

[Edug27]

If Danny Ainge knows basketball he'll pack Kyrie's bags for him. The real issue is whether or not Ainge is man enough to admit he made a mistake.

Nonsense.