Celtics General Offseason Thread Pt 11: Kanter believe you thought of former player

[williambh3]

Good work on the Kyrie videos. Still hard to differentiate giving up and not being good in D and being tired. Anyways I’m glad he’s gone. The only way he would work for us is if he could completely take over games and win them for us in the playoffs. He couldn’t.

It surprised me to see how big a drop off there was in playoffs. In the end, he was much worse in playoffs in Boston than IT. And he had a much stronger supporting cast in Boston.

Those last four games must have been one of the worst playoff stretches for a top 10-ish talent in NBA history. 30% from the field on 20+ shots per game, 3.5 TOs vs. only 5.3 Asts from a PG, pathetic defense, 4 straight Ls.

Horford, Morris and Brown played quite well in those 4 games, Tatum was ok. Hayward was awful too, but overall the help was pretty good. It was just one of the worst playoff stretches for a top 10-ish talent in NBA history...

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Hayward's little place must be on the wrong side of the tracks:
https://www.sothebysrealty.com/eng/sales/rancho-santa-fe-ca-usa

Kind of a weird location inland so neither on nor that near the water and not near either SD or LA. Have to drive anywhere.

But that's what chauffeurs are for.

If you want to live your life being driven around SOCAL.

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Good work on the Kyrie videos. Still hard to differentiate giving up and not being good in D and being tired. Anyways I’m glad he’s gone. The only way he would work for us is if he could completely take over games and win them for us in the playoffs. He couldn’t.

It surprised me to see how big a drop off there was in playoffs. In the end, he was much worse in playoffs in Boston than IT. And he had a much stronger supporting cast in Boston.

Those last four games must have been one of the worst playoff stretches for a top 10-ish talent in NBA history. 30% from the field on 20+ shots per game, 3.5 TOs vs. only 5.3 Asts from a PG, pathetic defense, 4 straight Ls.

Horford, Morris and Brown played quite well in those 4 games, Tatum was ok. Hayward was awful too, but overall the help was pretty good. It was just one of the worst playoff stretches for a top 10-ish talent in NBA history...

That's what I didn't like about Smart's recent comments. Some of his teammates played quite well in the playoffs. Smart and Irving didn't.

[Feed Your Head]

It surprised me to see how big a drop off there was in playoffs. In the end, he was much worse in playoffs in Boston than IT. And he had a much stronger supporting cast in Boston.

Those last four games must have been one of the worst playoff stretches for a top 10-ish talent in NBA history. 30% from the field on 20+ shots per game, 3.5 TOs vs. only 5.3 Asts from a PG, pathetic defense, 4 straight Ls.

Horford, Morris and Brown played quite well in those 4 games, Tatum was ok. Hayward was awful too, but overall the help was pretty good. It was just one of the worst playoff stretches for a top 10-ish talent in NBA history...

That's what I didn't like about Smart's recent comments. Some of his teammates played quite well in the playoffs. Smart and Irving didn't.

I mean, he played like 30 minutes all playoffs lol. It was a horrible 30 minutes but what would you expect off an an injury that he rushed back from.

[Green89]

Those last four games must have been one of the worst playoff stretches for a top 10-ish talent in NBA history. 30% from the field on 20+ shots per game, 3.5 TOs vs. only 5.3 Asts from a PG, pathetic defense, 4 straight Ls.

Horford, Morris and Brown played quite well in those 4 games, Tatum was ok. Hayward was awful too, but overall the help was pretty good. It was just one of the worst playoff stretches for a top 10-ish talent in NBA history...

That's what I didn't like about Smart's recent comments. Some of his teammates played quite well in the playoffs. Smart and Irving didn't.

I mean, he played like 30 minutes all playoffs lol. It was a horrible 30 minutes but what would you expect off an an injury that he rushed back from.

Smart missing time in the playoffs is a streak that needs ending.

[djFan71]

That's what I didn't like about Smart's recent comments. Some of his teammates played quite well in the playoffs. Smart and Irving didn't.

I mean, he played like 30 minutes all playoffs lol. It was a horrible 30 minutes but what would you expect off an an injury that he rushed back from.

Smart missing time in the playoffs is a streak that needs ending.

Agreed. I love him, but availability is the best ability, as they say. I bet that played a (small) part in bringing Kemba in and relegating him to the bench. Not being able to trust that marcus will always be healthy and available. Obviously Kemba brings other things as well, but if Marcus could play 30+ mpg over 80 games and be ready for the playoffs we may not have needed him. I think Danny/Brad like him a little lower in minutes so he can play his balls out style and then just hope he's healthy come playoffs.

[Andrew McCeltic]

My only concern about Smart is that he shot horribly coming back from his injury. He keeps grinding on his shooting, but it’s possible he fell into a groove all season and will struggle again from long range.

[Ernest]

My only concern about Smart is that he shot horribly coming back from his injury. He keeps grinding on his shooting, but it’s possible he fell into a groove all season and will struggle again from long range.

Smart is the only one I'm not worried about.

[Andrew McCeltic]

If we really think that Brown and Tatum are the next Kawhi/George star forward duo, and that’s not just hype to raise their trade value, the one Hayward scenario I’d consider would be getting back a younger big (Turner, Capela, Adams, Drummond) if we can also get back a wing who replicates some of Hayward’s passing and playmaking - Evan Turner, Kyle Anderson - and can come off the bench or play in the starting lineup with a low shot volume..

[Andrew McCeltic]

One other idea, since Orlando has been mentioned:

Hayward to ORL
Aaron Gordon to IND
Myles Turner, Mo Bamba to BOS

Would rather get and keep Isaac, but if only Bamba is available, you could try to flip him for a different young big - WCJ, Jaren Jr., John Collins - someone mobile enough to play with Turner, and potentially able to make up for some of his rebounding deficiencies..

[BillTheGOAT]

One other idea, since Orlando has been mentioned:

Hayward to ORL
Aaron Gordon to IND
Myles Turner, Mo Bamba to BOS

Would rather get and keep Isaac, but if only Bamba is available, you could try to flip him for a different young big - WCJ, Jaren Jr., John Collins - someone mobile enough to play with Turner, and potentially able to make up for some of his rebounding deficiencies..

I dont think this trade has much of a chance of happening.

And if Orlando truly would part with Gordon I'd rather leave Indiana out and trade Hayward straight up for Gordon.

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Those last four games must have been one of the worst playoff stretches for a top 10-ish talent in NBA history. 30% from the field on 20+ shots per game, 3.5 TOs vs. only 5.3 Asts from a PG, pathetic defense, 4 straight Ls.

Horford, Morris and Brown played quite well in those 4 games, Tatum was ok. Hayward was awful too, but overall the help was pretty good. It was just one of the worst playoff stretches for a top 10-ish talent in NBA history...

That's what I didn't like about Smart's recent comments. Some of his teammates played quite well in the playoffs. Smart and Irving didn't.

I mean, he played like 30 minutes all playoffs lol. It was a horrible 30 minutes but what would you expect off an an injury that he rushed back from.

My point was he shouldn't have said they all played poorly in the playoffs when they didn't.

[Parliament10]

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Unless they changed something, then Javonte can't go to the Red Claws as an Affiliate, by virtue of his $100K Guarantee?

[Triple7]

My only concern about Smart is that he shot horribly coming back from his injury. He keeps grinding on his shooting, but it’s possible he fell into a groove all season and will struggle again from long range.

It’s because smart isn’t really a reliable shooter. You can’t have your point guard struggling to make every open jumper and free throws. While he’s probably our best defender, he’s just can’t be trusted offensively for now, and his playmaking skills is just average at best. With his comments recently, i don’t find him as a guy who can lead as well. Maybe just a good locker room guy, but definitely not a leader type. Lets see how he does this season coming off the bench.

[Andrew McCeltic]

My only concern about Smart is that he shot horribly coming back from his injury. He keeps grinding on his shooting, but it’s possible he fell into a groove all season and will struggle again from long range.

It’s because smart isn’t really a reliable shooter. You can’t have your point guard struggling to make every open jumper and free throws. While he’s probably our best defender, he’s just can’t be trusted offensively for now, and his playmaking skills is just average at best. With his comments recently, i don’t find him as a guy who can lead as well. Maybe just a good locker room guy, but definitely not a leader type. Lets see how he does this season coming off the bench.

He was reliable this season, finally - that’s why his cold hand was noticeable. Not with you on the playmaking, where he’s improved, or the leadership. What bugged you about his recent comments?

[Triple7]

My only concern about Smart is that he shot horribly coming back from his injury. He keeps grinding on his shooting, but it’s possible he fell into a groove all season and will struggle again from long range.

It’s because smart isn’t really a reliable shooter. You can’t have your point guard struggling to make every open jumper and free throws. While he’s probably our best defender, he’s just can’t be trusted offensively for now, and his playmaking skills is just average at best. With his comments recently, i don’t find him as a guy who can lead as well. Maybe just a good locker room guy, but definitely not a leader type. Lets see how he does this season coming off the bench.

He was reliable this season, finally - that’s why his cold hand was noticeable. Not with you on the playmaking, where he’s improved, or the leadership. What bugged you about his recent comments?

I don’t think he’s that reliable offensively, but he did improved, so it’s not off to think he can be better this season. I’m just not that too high on him offensively. I think he’s average at best when it comes to playmaking and on court decision making. I have watched him all season make boneheaded plays/turnovers when it matters at times. His handles for a point guard is also average. When it comes to leadership, Al is our true leader last season. When it comes to his comments, i don’t think his timing is perfect for that. He made it looked like the problem is with the kids and not much about the veterans. I don’t think he’s a leader actually. if he saw a problem with his teammates, he should have done something about that. Instead he just remained silent and let kyrie and the young guys ruin chemistry all season.

[Higgs Boston]

Smart is just like Stevens, a coward that only will say the right things to save face. Stevens said that the problem was just the fit, those two can't lead the celtics, at least not with this attitude, they have to change.

[greenroom31]

Smart is just like Stevens, a coward that only will say the right things to save face. Stevens said that the problem was just the fit, those two can't lead the celtics, at least not with this attitude, they have to change.

Yes, Smart has always struck me as a coward. Surely Smart and Stevens both being cowards is the more logical answer than accepting that perhaps the locker room issues were more nuanced than "Kyrie BAD, everyone else GOOD".

[SmartWentCrazy]

Anyone who has the attitude that players/coaches should finger point all of their issues at people who left are part of the problem with the last season. The idea that one guy tanked everything for us is a fallacy and getting mad at players/coaches for taking ownership and holding others accountable is pathetic, IMO.

[Higgs Boston]

Smart is just like Stevens, a coward that only will say the right things to save face. Stevens said that the problem was just the fit, those two can't lead the celtics, at least not with this attitude, they have to change.

Yes, Smart has always struck me as a coward. Surely Smart and Stevens both being cowards is the more logical answer than accepting that perhaps the locker room issues were more nuanced than "Kyrie BAD, everyone else GOOD".

He is a hot head, but that doesn't mean a person is brave and honest enough to talk and solve the problems.
Nope, it's not about kyrie, it's about individual and collective problems, you have to take into account both things and talk about it. Do you really think teams work like if all players were equal? like if all the problems were caused by the team? the team have to be over everything but that doesn't mean individual responsibilities and problems doesn't exist, and is that lack of honesty is what I'm criticising.
Smart asked Brown about what was going on, that is leadership, what you can't do is "try to help" when you want and be quiet in other situations.