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Post#1001 » by Larry_Russell » Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:50 pm

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Larry_Russell wrote:Smart is completely fine at PG, people. and getting better.
Not as a starter. He's too much of a risk in close games because teams invite him to shoot. He's much better suited as a sixth man

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Agreed. I'm not sure I'd move him for Duncan Robinson but Smart is not a great starting point guard. I'd take a guy like Fox or Simmons over him for sure all things equal. But is he better than some starters in the league? Sure.



Simmons is unplayable at the end of games. People talk about how Smart gets sagged off of, what about simmons?????
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Post#1002 » by Jaqua92 » Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:51 pm

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Larry_Russell wrote:Smart is completely fine at PG, people. and getting better.
Not as a starter. He's too much of a risk in close games because teams invite him to shoot. He's much better suited as a sixth man

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Can say the exact same thing about rob williams too.

He cant shoot and teams can dare him.

And we arent talking ben simmons level of defenses collapsing here
No you can't. Rob Williams is one of the most effecient scorers in the league. He spaces the floor because he can pass on the perimeter and he is a lob/post threat. Teams know he can hurt them inside. Smart's issues are creating his own shot, which is what team's force him to do.

Rob is big, plays above the rim, and is a massive off ball threat. It's not even compatible.

Smart as a starting PG is uncomfortable and he'd asked to do too much. As I said, if you can move him to the bench without trading him, fine. But he will impact winning on the bench FAR more than he will as a starter. You give him 22+ minutes a night off the bench with minutes that stagger with the starters, in a more limited role and he will be fantastic. A 6moy is more important than a streaky starter.

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Post#1003 » by Curmudgeon » Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:52 pm

I'd like to offer Schroder to the Mavs for Ntilikina. The Mavs were waxed by the Warriors last night, and do not have an adequate backup for Brunson. Brandon Knight has never been the same player after tearing his ACL a few years ago.

The deal gets you under the tax and opens the way for Pritchard. Also, I still believe in Frank, who is a very good defender for all of his other flaws. Still only 23 years old.

Sure, you would like Brunson, and I'm sure many would trade Smart for him. But next year Brunson is going to be a $20M player and I don't think he's worth it.
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Post#1004 » by Jaqua92 » Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:52 pm

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Jaqua92 wrote:Not as a starter. He's too much of a risk in close games because teams invite him to shoot. He's much better suited as a sixth man

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Agreed. I'm not sure I'd move him for Duncan Robinson but Smart is not a great starting point guard. I'd take a guy like Fox or Simmons over him for sure all things equal. But is he better than some starters in the league? Sure.



Simmons is unplayable at the end of games. People talk about how Smart gets sagged off of, what about simmons?????
Simmons head is a bigger problem than his end of game skillset LOL.

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Post#1005 » by Jaqua92 » Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:55 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:I'd like to offer Schroder to the Mavs for Ntilikina. The Mavs were waxed by the Warriors last night, and do not have an adequate backup for Brunson. Brandon Knight has never been the same player after tearing his ACL a few years ago.

The deal gets you under the tax and opens the way for Pritchard. Also, I still believe in Frank, who is a very good defender for all of his other flaws. Still only 23 years old.

Sure, you would like Brunson, and I'm sure many would trade Smart for him. But next year Brunson is going to be a $20M player and I don't think he's worth it.
Isn't Smart a 20m/yr player?

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Post#1006 » by itrsteve » Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:57 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:Smart is completely fine at PG, people. and getting better.


I've been impressed lately, seems like he's understanding his role isn't a pull-up 3pt shooter, looks like he's owning the role of being a facilitator on offense. I'm fine with keeping him if this keeps up.

The problem with the Brunson trade as it stands right now is that he has contract uncertainty and Marcus doesn't.
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Post#1007 » by Curmudgeon » Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:58 pm

No, Smart is a $14M player at the moment. Besides, Brunson is undersized. No way he can defend 5 positions like Smart. If you want to play switchable defense, Brunson isn't your guy.

In any event, the Mavs are hurting right now. Hardaway Jr. just broke his foot.
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Post#1008 » by Half-Full » Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:05 pm

pac213up wrote:I don't think the line between winning and losing is all that big with this team. The Jays and Rob (assuming good health) are legit. Smart offers good balance but you need to make up for his shooting, especially when Rob's on the floor with him. Keeping all those guys and adding (or developing) legit shooting depth is what this teams needs to do.


How about removing Horford from the starting lineup, and putting Nesmith in? He brings a lot of energy, can score, rebound, defend. I would like to see what he can do playing with the Jays, Marcus, and RWill.
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Post#1009 » by zoyathedestroya » Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:06 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:I'd like to offer Schroder to the Mavs for Ntilikina. The Mavs were waxed by the Warriors last night, and do not have an adequate backup for Brunson. Brandon Knight has never been the same player after tearing his ACL a few years ago.

The deal gets you under the tax and opens the way for Pritchard. Also, I still believe in Frank, who is a very good defender for all of his other flaws. Still only 23 years old.

Sure, you would like Brunson, and I'm sure many would trade Smart for him. But next year Brunson is going to be a $20M player and I don't think he's worth it.

Dallas could just be waiting for Dragic to get bought out by the Raptors.

I also wouldn't want to pay for Brunson's next contract. I don't think he'll be on the FVV level.
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Post#1010 » by GoCeltics123 » Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:08 pm

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Post#1011 » by Larry_Russell » Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:14 pm

Jaqua92 wrote:
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Jaqua92 wrote:Not as a starter. He's too much of a risk in close games because teams invite him to shoot. He's much better suited as a sixth man

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Can say the exact same thing about rob williams too.

He cant shoot and teams can dare him.

And we arent talking ben simmons level of defenses collapsing here
No you can't. Rob Williams is one of the most effecient scorers in the league. He spaces the floor because he can pass on the perimeter and he is a lob/post threat. Teams know he can hurt them inside. Smart's issues are creating his own shot, which is what team's force him to do.

Rob is big, plays above the rim, and is a massive off ball threat. It's not even compatible.

Smart as a starting PG is uncomfortable and he'd asked to do too much. As I said, if you can move him to the bench without trading him, fine. But he will impact winning on the bench FAR more than he will as a starter. You give him 22+ minutes a night off the bench with minutes that stagger with the starters, in a more limited role and he will be fantastic. A 6moy is more important than a streaky starter.

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Smart drives 10 times a game and is making 45.5% of them
Tatum drives 12.8 times a game and is making 45.9% of them

3.8 catch and shoots from Smart, all three pointers, and most came playing as a "shooting guard" (getting the second pass off a kick out-marcus shouldnt be in that position) and he makes only 33% of them
THat needs to stop.

Took 1 shot last night like that
Went 2 for 5 agaginst washington.



The worst aspect of Marcus' game that he HAS to stop doing is the damn pull up. 1.5 attempts per game and makes 21% of them

Eliminating that single aspect of his game and he would be:
42% from the floor and 32% from 3

Running as the point guard on kick outs from drives he is situated in the corners as opposed to above the break the difference will be fewer catch and shoots

Lastly, he makes 37.5% of his wide open 3s.
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Post#1012 » by Curmudgeon » Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:15 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:Dallas could just be waiting for Dragic to get bought out by the Raptors.


Along with about 10 other teams, including the Celtics. I'm sure the Lakers are salivating over that prospect.
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Post#1013 » by CelticFaninLBC » Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:19 pm

Boston's apparently interested in Justin Holiday. Maybe this is who they can get in a 3 way Schroder deal?

https://fortyeightminutes.com/celtics-bucks-interested-in-justin-holiday-trade/

BOS gets: Justin Holiday
DAL gets: Schroder (Absorbed into TPE)
IND gets: 2nd rounders from Dal & cap relief
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Post#1014 » by chrisab123 » Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:19 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:Dallas could just be waiting for Dragic to get bought out by the Raptors.


Along with about 10 other teams, including the Celtics. I'm sure the Lakers are salivating over that prospect.


Hes probably going to Dallas LA or NY.
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Post#1015 » by jeremym480 » Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:23 pm

ddb wrote:would anyone here do Smart for Duncan Robinson?

Heat would have BY FAR the best defensive team in the universe.....could roll out Lowry-Smart-Butler-Tucker-Bam to absolutely bottle teams up. If I'm Miami I'm calling Boston....They still have Herro & Straus who can play that Robinson role. Great trade for Miami. Could actually be an awesome trade for Boston too....Robinson isn't having a great year, but I think we all know the type of player he is....his floor spacing would work wonders for Tatum/Brown. If Brad made this type of trade he would also need to find a true PG to bring in.
Maybe Horford/Nesmith and THREE 1st rd picks for Fox! then flip Schroder for something.

Fox-Robinson-Brown-Tatum-Williams
Pritchard-Richardson-Grant-Horford

HOLY SMOKES! that team would be unreal


I'd prefer to keep Smart and Richardson is really starting to grow on me as well but I'd love to add a shooter like Robinson, as well. I think the most likely odd man out is Al and I'd probably do something like this (since Miami is rumored to be interested in Wood):

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With that said, if I'm playing NBA 2K, where I don't care about going into the tax because it's virtual money, then I keep Al and do this instead:
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Post#1016 » by chrisab123 » Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:25 pm

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I think they'd really like Al Horford Richardson and a bunch of young semi mediocre players and picks. Get it done!
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Post#1017 » by Celts17Pride » Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:36 pm

CelticFaninLBC wrote:Boston's apparently interested in Justin Holiday. Maybe this is who they can get in a 3 way Schroder deal?

https://fortyeightminutes.com/celtics-bucks-interested-in-justin-holiday-trade/

BOS gets: Justin Holiday
DAL gets: Schroder (Absorbed into TPE)
IND gets: 2nd rounders from Dal & cap relief

Justin Holiday makes some sense but probably only if Langford/Nesmith are moved in a bigger deal. I mean isn't the problem with Josh Richardson is he is blocking the playing time of Langford/Nesmith? Wouldn't Justin Holiday do the same thing?
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Post#1018 » by Celts17Pride » Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:40 pm

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Post#1019 » by Feed Your Head » Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:41 pm

CelticFaninLBC wrote:Boston's apparently interested in Justin Holiday. Maybe this is who they can get in a 3 way Schroder deal?

https://fortyeightminutes.com/celtics-bucks-interested-in-justin-holiday-trade/

BOS gets: Justin Holiday
DAL gets: Schroder (Absorbed into TPE)
IND gets: 2nd rounders from Dal & cap relief


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Post#1020 » by BillessuR6 » Wed Jan 26, 2022 5:42 pm

We talked about Justin Holiday here before...but he is only shooting 36% for career, which isn`t great...

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