Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . .

[watsonthedragon]

There is wicked and wanton hearsay circulating that Porzingis may never play for the Celtics...

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I’m sure it’s all from as reputable sources as the sports hub and such.

Honestly I enjoy 98.5 for the most part and I can't for the life of me understand why they give this guy air time. He is awful to listen to, has the worst takes, and comes across as a pompous ass who thinks he's smarter than everyone else because he gambles.

[Celts17Pride]

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Which is yet another reason to go get a young big capable of playing 15-20 mpg and about 40-50 games just in case. Celtics have one in Kornet. Get another and don't force Porzingis, Horford and R Williams to play high minutes. We go through this every year then we end up with Horford spent for the playoffs and R Williams hurt for the 1,000,000th time.

Need another big to eat up regular season minutes.

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I mean, I'm fine with us giving him like a non-guaranteed contract - let him try to earn a spot in training camp.

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He's a good dude.

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Which is yet another reason to go get a young big capable of playing 15-20 mpg and about 40-50 games just in case. Celtics have one in Kornet. Get another and don't force Porzingis, Horford and R Williams to play high minutes. We go through this every year then we end up with Horford spent for the playoffs and R Williams hurt for the 1,000,000th time.

Need another big to eat up regular season minutes.

Better go get Christian Wood soon, and hope he behaves. I think it's a good organization for him. Chance to win and prove he can play an effective role on a title contending team. If he came to Boston and contributed in a positive way, he will extend his career another 6-7 years.
If he doesn't take this approach, he may be in China soon.

[Celts17Pride]

I mean, I'm fine with us giving him like a non-guaranteed contract - let him try to earn a spot in training camp.

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He's a good dude.

Sounds like a perfect 14th/15th guy like I said yesterday. Could actually play 50-60 games if you needed him to play that much but won't complain playing 30-35 games.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

This is the worrisome day...

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[GoCeltics123]

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I mean, I'm fine with us giving him like a non-guaranteed contract - let him try to earn a spot in training camp.

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He's a good dude.

Sounds like a perfect 14th/15th guy like I said yesterday. Could actually play 50-60 games if you needed him to play that much but won't complain playing 30-35 games.

You might be right. I'm coming around to Gabriel.

I was thinking he's not that good and too much like Vonleh, who obviously didn't really work out for us last season.

BUT I'm looking closer at the numbers now, comparing Gabriel and Vonleh. The main thing Vonleh kept messing up was fouling too much (both moving screens on offense and too many fouls on defense too).

Last season, personal fouls per 100 possessions:
Vonleh: 10.0
Gabriel: 6.7

That's a pretty big difference. 10.0 for Vonleh is obviously really bad. Gabriel being much lower is definitely a good sign. If Vonleh was at 6.7 last season for us instead of 10.0, he would have been much more effective and wouldn't have had nearly as many negative comments on here from folks haha.

Rebounding and blocks, they're fairly similar.

The other stats that jump out for Vonleh, which really paint him as a bad player for us last season, are BPM, offensive rating and defensive rating. Vonleh had a -6.3 BPM for us last season, and his offensive rating was 9 points lower than his defensive rating which are bad numbers. Gabriel was much better - he had a much more respectable BPM of -2.2 and an offensive rating that was 10 points HIGHER than his defensive rating.

Lastly, the other area Vonleh struggled was with turnovers. 30.7% turnover rate is terrible, especially since his usage rate was only 9%. Gabriel was much better in this area as well, with a turnover % of 13, on a usage rate of 14. Those are MUCH more respectable numbers for a backup big man.

It's a small sample size of just 1 season and only like a half season for Vonleh. But Gabriel was much better. Gabriel could potentially be similar to what Vonleh gave us last season, but MUCH better.

Some impressive stuff here as well:

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[tfribs45]

This is the worrisome day...

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Zinger didn't work out for Dallas or the Knicks and he shined on a weak Wiz team. This was a BIG risk, high reward move, not to mention we gave up Smahhht and we're stuck keeping a disgruntled Brogdan. Heads are going to roll if this move backfires...Going to be an interesting season for sure! Time to earn that money Bubblegum Joe lmao

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we're stuck keeping a disgruntled Brogdan.

I've seen nothing to indicate that Brogdon is disgruntled.

If anything, Smart was the disgruntled one (clashed with Mazzulla - made passive aggressive comments about him in the media, Smart was still butthurt about Udoka's dismissal whereas Brogdon never played for Udoka so he's fine with it, etc.) and we got rid of Smart.

Plus, Brogdon was the better player last season by many advanced stats (and played in more games).

Brogdon is the better shooter and made less bonehead turnovers..

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Going to be an interesting season for sure! Time to earn that money Bubblegum Joe lmao

This season should be much easier for Mazzulla. Let's think about it here...

Last season:
-First year HC, had to go through everything an NBA HC goes through for the 1st time
-found out he was the head coach like the day before training camp started.
-Had to weather the storm caused by the Udoka scandal.
-Walked in to a locker room full of confused players who didn't understand what happened, why Udoka was suspended, didn't know whether Udoka would be brought back the following season or not, weren't given straight answers by ownership/management as to what happened.
-Had basically no time to prepare for the season to be the head coach.
-Rob had to have his 2nd knee surgery in a 6 month span - right before training camp.
-Gallo tore his ACL right before training camp
-He had to coach with a group of assistants who were Ime's boys - were hired by Ime - not by him. And the top assistant (Damon) left to take a college job right before the playoffs.

This season:
-2nd year HC, with a full season under his belt. Can learn from the experiences of last season
-Has the entire offseason to prepare to be the HC
-Gets to coach with assistants who he hand picked and hired.
-No scandal or controversy that caused a dark cloud hovering over the team all season
-Everyone on the the team is expected to be healthy when training camp starts
-Less pressure and more security, since he's now got a long term contract and no more interim tag on his title

[zoyathedestroya]

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Can't believe Nuggets survived this and won the title despite playing him heavy minutes. He was poop too during the FInals.

[jfs1000d]

The Boston sports media is weird. They act like the Celtics are some sort of super dynasty that has higher standards than other teams. Um, no.

We've won one title since 1986 and have been to three finals in 35 years. We are playing at an appropriate level with deep playoff runs almost every year.

Porzingis will play 70 games this year. That's amazing. He's going to have a huge impact.

Anyone who says he failed out of NY (he didn't) or Dallas (he was hurt and maybe Luka the problem).

This guy is a scorer, rebounder, defender. WTF more else you want? Sure, Jaron Jackson would have been great, or even Embiid. But that isn't happening.

[GoCeltics123]

There is wicked and wanton hearsay circulating that Porzingis may never play for the Celtics...

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I’m sure it’s all from as reputable sources as the sports hub and such.

Honestly I enjoy 98.5 for the most part and I can't for the life of me understand why they give this guy air time. He is awful to listen to, has the worst takes, and comes across as a pompous ass who thinks he's smarter than everyone else because he gambles.

He's also a dog **** gambler too lol, he bet the 76ers winning the title last season

Looking at the rumor or whatever, seems like Lifshatz took that German reporter's report as a lisfranc injury, but the reporter never said that. The reporter himself said it wasn't a major injury. And now he's trying to pass it off like he has inside info or whatever

We'll see if the Celtics are downplaying this injury, but unless we hear something like this injury is worse than they're putting out, I'm assuming it's plantar fascitis.

[tfribs45]

we're stuck keeping a disgruntled Brogdan.

I've seen nothing to indicate that Brogdon is disgruntled.

If anything, Smart was the disgruntled one (clashed with Mazzulla, made passive aggressive comments about him in the media, Smart was still butthurt about Udoka leaving whereas Brogdon never played for Udoka so he's fine with it, etc.) and we got rid of Smart.

Plus, Brogdon was the better player last season by basically every advanced stat (and played in more games).

Brogdon is the better shooter and made less bonehead turnovers..

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Going to be an interesting season for sure! Time to earn that money Bubblegum Joe lmao

This season should be much easier for Mazzulla. Let's think about it here...

Last season:
-First year HC, had to go through everything an NBA HC goes through for the 1st time
-found our he was the head coach like the day before training camp started.
-Had to weather the storm caused by the Udoka scandal.
-Walked in to a locker room full of confused players who didn't understand what happened, why Udoka was suspended, didn't know whether Udoka would be brought back the following season or not, weren't given straight answers by ownership/management as to what happened.
-Had basically no time to prepare for the season to be the head coach.
-Rob had to have his 2nd knee surgery in a 6 month span - right before training camp.
-Gallo tore his ACL right before training camp
-He had to coach with a group of assistants who were Ime's boys - were hired by Ime - not by him. And the top assistant (Damon) left to take a college job right before the playoffs.

This season:
-2nd year HC, with a full season under his belt. Can learn from the experiences of last season
-Has the entire offseason to prepare to be the HC
-Gets to coach with assistants who he hand picked and hired.
-No scandal or controversy that caused a dark cloud hovering over the team all season
-Everyone on the the team is expected to be healthy when training camp starts
-Less pressure and more security, since he's now got a long term contract and no more interim tag on his title

all I hear from you in these stats are excuses... He inherited one of the best NBA rosters from top to bottom and it was amateur hour on the sidelines, especially in the playoffs. From game-time decisions, timeouts, and embarrassing pressers after the games. I do like the Cassel addition and I could see Sam grabbing the bull by it's horns. Time will tell, I'm just a little more pessimistic then Pleasantville Hal, where everything's perfect.

Brogs def had a solid year, but disappeared when the lights were bright. All three of our guards were solid, but I'm still ranking Smahht as the 1 last year, White and Brogs were a close second.

[MeanGeraldGreen]

Plus, Brogdon was the better player last season by basically every advanced stat (and played in more games).

EPM
Smart: 1.7
Brogdon: 0.2

DPM
Smart: 1.3
Brogdon: 0.1

LEBRON
Smart: 0.9
Brogdon: 0.48

LA-RAPM
Smart: 1.0
Brogdon: 0.4

RAPTOR
Brogdon: 1.8
Smart: 0.9

RPM
Smart: 0.72
Brogdon: -2.77

BPM
Smart: 1.0
Brogdon: 2.8

So Brogdon beat Smart in BPM, which makes sense as it’s just a box score stat. Smart had a much better EPM/DPM/LEBRON which are the three most well thought of advanced stats. Smart also a much better luck adjusted RAPM, while Brogdon has Smart beat in RAPTOR, which is being discontinued/revamped before next season. RPM sucks, but I figured I’d throw that in there too, as it’s another one with Smart way ahead.

Overall, Smart had a pretty sizable edge when it comes to advanced stats, and that’s been the case for years.

[RickyDizzle]

That said, I think Blake and Kornet are fine minute eaters for the regular season. I agree with Celts17Pride in that i’d like another body, though. While I think Blake filled in pretty well last season, you can’t play him on a consistent basis at this point, which becomes a problem if Rob/KP get hurt.

I mean, we didn't even have KP at all last season. And Rob missed the entire 1st half of the season. Our bigs were just Al/Kornet/Vonleh/Blake and we beat the crap out of the league.

With that being said, I think we all agree that it wouldn't hurt to add another big for the end of the bench with 1 of the 2 open roster spots we have..

And Tatum and Grant Williams...

[MeanGeraldGreen]

White>>both Smart and Brogdon, FWIW.

[playa-hater]

The Boston sports media is weird. They act like the Celtics are some sort of super dynasty that has higher standards than other teams. Um, no.

We've won one title since 1986 and have been to three finals in 35 years. We are playing at an appropriate level with deep playoff runs almost every year.

Porzingis will play 70 games this year. That's amazing. He's going to have a huge impact.

Anyone who says he failed out of NY (he didn't) or Dallas (he was hurt and maybe Luka the problem).

This guy is a scorer, rebounder, defender. WTF more else you want? Sure, Jaron Jackson would have been great, or even Embiid. But that isn't happening.

I like KP and think he is worth the gamble. But I will definitely bet all I own on the under 70 games for KP. I actually see a potential Load management style for KP like Al and wonder if KP will even play in B2B games.

Outside of RW, KP and Al, Kornet seems to be the next Big in line. If Boston can improve on him, I would do it.

[tfribs45]

Plus, Brogdon was the better player last season by basically every advanced stat (and played in more games).

EPM
Smart: 1.7
Brogdon: 0.2

DPM
Smart: 1.3
Brogdon: 0.1

LEBRON
Smart: 0.9
Brogdon: 0.48

LA-RAPM
Smart: 1.0
Brogdon: 0.4

RAPTOR
Brogdon: 1.8
Smart: 0.9

RPM
Smart: 0.72
Brogdon: -2.77

BPM
Smart: 1.0
Brogdon: 2.8

So Brogdon beat Smart in BPM, which makes sense as it’s just a box score stat. Smart had a much better EPM/DPM/LEBRON which are the three most well thought of advanced stats. Smart also a much better luck adjusted RAPM, while Brogdon has Smart beat in RAPTOR, which is being discontinued/revamped before next season. RPM sucks, but I figured I’d throw that in there too, as it’s another one with Smart way ahead.

Overall, Smart had a pretty sizable edge when it comes to advanced stats, and that’s been the case for years.

The Smahht hate blinds a lot of these green teamers. He'll be missed whether they want to admit it or not....The J's praised Marcus over the last few weeks , lets be real. Grizz scooped him up for pennies on a dollar! Now if Zinger puts us over the top, then it will all be worth it.

[poopship]