What is Jayson Tatum's ceiling?

themoneyteam2 · Post #1021 » by **themoneyteam2** » Thu Jan 7, 2021 4:38 am

Next jump for him is getting to the line more. His shooting splits are great which is why he’s getting 27 PPG but if he could go the line 5+ times a night that’d be huge. I believe he averaged close to 8 FTA last January when he averaged 30 for the month

Post #1022 » by **Shak_Celts** » Thu Jan 7, 2021 5:37 am

themoneyteam2 wrote:Next jump for him is getting to the line more. His shooting splits are great which is why he’s getting 27 PPG but if he could go the line 5+ times a night that’d be huge. I believe he averaged close to 8 FTA last January when he averaged 30 for the month

He is being fouled but a lot of the time it's not called. Part of it I don't know why and part of it is because he looks so smooth whether fouled or not that it doesn't look like it's bothering his shot. Refs aren't always going to call it unless it looks like it affected you.

Tatumfor2 · Post #1023 » by **Tatumfor2** » Sat Jan 9, 2021 12:13 am

Shak_Celts wrote:
themoneyteam2 wrote:Next jump for him is getting to the line more. His shooting splits are great which is why he’s getting 27 PPG but if he could go the line 5+ times a night that’d be huge. I believe he averaged close to 8 FTA last January when he averaged 30 for the month

He is being fouled but a lot of the time it's not called. Part of it I don't know why and part of it is because he looks so smooth whether fouled or not that it doesn't look like it's bothering his shot. Refs aren't always going to call it unless it looks like it affected you.

I actually heard a commentator praising the refs not calling a foul if the shot went in or for calling it after the miss. And it actually looked like they were doing that. I found it annoying. I thought a foul was a foul.

themoneyteam2 · Post #1024 » by **themoneyteam2** » Wed Jan 20, 2021 9:40 pm

Only concerning thing is his FTA rate. He was averaging 7.4 FTA per game in the playoffs (17 games) and is back down to 3.6 FTA per game this year (10 games). It’s weird that he seemed to finally figure out how to get to the line kind of from January until the playoffs and now has regressed.

He’s still ridiculously efficient but if he could average even just 5 FTA per game this year that’d add another 1-2 PPG onto his average which would be huge. The fact he’s averaging 27 right now despite only taking 3.5 FTA per game is insane

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Ill News · Post #1026 » by **Ill News** » Tue Jan 26, 2021 1:16 pm

themoneyteam2 wrote:Only concerning thing is his FTA rate. He was averaging 7.4 FTA per game in the playoffs (17 games) and is back down to 3.6 FTA per game this year (10 games). It’s weird that he seemed to finally figure out how to get to the line kind of from January until the playoffs and now has regressed.

He’s still ridiculously efficient but if he could average even just 5 FTA per game this year that’d add another 1-2 PPG onto his average which would be huge. The fact he’s averaging 27 right now despite only taking 3.5 FTA per game is insane

This is the main reason why I believe he'll average 30+ a game in the future. As you said, the fact that he's scoring 27ppg on just 3.5 attempts is insane. If he doubles that and maintains his efficiency everywhere else, he might average 29ppg at the very least. It'll only be a matter of time before officials start giving him consistent superstar calls.

TommyPointGawd · Post #1027 » by **TommyPointGawd** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:12 pm

Around a year ago he took off like a rocket. I would expect him to have a similar run soon and make his MVP case. All he has to do is cut his hair.

BostonCouchGM · Post #1028 » by **BostonCouchGM** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:13 pm

imho you can't be a true #1 with less than 5 assists a game if you are a non-Center. I thought Tatum was heading in that direction but it hasn't happened so he's really not a true #1. He's more a high end #2 with Jaylen a low end #2. No team without a true #1 is winning an NBA championship ever again.

Post #1029 » by **Bleeding Green** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:19 pm

How many assists did Kawhi average in Toronto?

Goalposts, be prepared, because you're about to move.

Also Tatum averaged 5 assists per game in the playoffs last year.

Tatumfor2 · Post #1030 » by **Tatumfor2** » Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:52 pm

Bleeding Green wrote:How many assists did Kawhi average in Toronto?

Goalposts, be prepared, because you're about to move.

Also Tatum averaged 5 assists per game in the playoffs last year.

Gomes3PC · Post #1031 » by **Gomes3PC** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 12:37 am

He's got bad habits going to the rim. Falls away too much and doesn't use the bag of tricks to change angles/direction and entice defenders to reach.

He's got to realize when he's beaten his man and then force the contact. He should watch Jimmy Butler tape in this regard ad nauseum.

themoneyteam2 · Post #1032 » by **themoneyteam2** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:48 pm

He needs to go work with Trae Young's trainer to learn how to draw the BS foul calls. Him just going to the rim without trying to manipulate the game of basketball doesn't get him rewarded with free throws unfortunately

Gomes3PC · Post #1033 » by **Gomes3PC** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:02 pm

themoneyteam2 wrote:He needs to go work with Trae Young's trainer to learn how to draw the BS foul calls. Him just going to the rim without trying to manipulate the game of basketball doesn't get him rewarded with free throws unfortunately

He's not great at starting and stopping his pace once he goes to the rim. Guys who draw fouls are either ridiculously strong and just bully defenders (Embiid, Bron), or they play at great tempo once by their guy (Pierce was awesome at this). Get the defender on your hip/back and then decelerate or cross over their body and they literally foul you whether they want to or not.

Jayson just glides to the rim and doesn't change direction. He looks focused on finishing every shot, which is admirable, but when he beats his man the first thought should be how he can get his man to reach/bump him, and then release the shot. Fading a way for a good look or finger-rolling is sexy, but those bumps and fouls make all the difference. Gets opponents in foul trouble, controls pace for our D, and most importantly, it's just easier to hit FTs than some fadeaway at the baseline.

Post #1034 » by **Feed Your Head** » Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:17 pm

Because over half of the threes he takes are unassisted, he’s definitely going to cool off from 3, so I’d like to see him be more aggressive going to the hoop. He did exactly that last night, but I want to see him keep it up on a consistent basis. He’s finishing at 67% at the rim, as opposed to 62% last year. He’s taking the exact same amount of deep twos as last year, but he’s taking by far the most shots of his career from between 3-16 feet. 37% of his shots are from that range, 10% more than his previous career high, and he’s shooting his career high from both.

He’s not the most explosive player, so having that ability to hit those floaters and short fadeaways is a necessity for him. He absolutely needs to get to the line more, he’s way behind last years FT rate, and he didn’t get to the line nearly enough then either. He looks far more under control when being doubled and trapped, but his handle is too high still and gets him into trouble with turnovers at times. I also wish he would take more threes, as I repeat an obnoxious amount.

Just like with Jaylen, it’s clearly me nitpicking lol. 27/7/4 on great efficiency at 22 years old is pretty snazzy, but he still has another level he can hit.

Post #1035 » by **Bleeding Green** » Mon Feb 1, 2021 2:14 am

He needs to get on the McCollum/Lillard/Curry train and half of his shots need to be threes. It's the best shot in his arsenal by a mile and he only takes it one-third of the time. He's an MVP finalist if he takes 10 threes a game. He's second in the NBA in FGA/g, but only 27th in 3pa/g.

grantlongforpresident · Post #1036 » by **grantlongforpresident** » Mon Feb 1, 2021 11:02 am

Tatum is a ridiculously skilled offensive player.

However, I don’t think he has the dogged mentality like many of the guys from the 08 team. What made guys like Kobe and MJ special was their relentless, insatiable thirst for winning. Pierce had it as well. He played with so much heart and willed us back in so many games. Tatum doesn’t seem to have that personality. I’d even go as far to say that he can be a little mentally soft at times.

To get the best out of Tatum, I think Ainge needs to surround him (and Brown) with team focused guys who are on a mission.

Post #1037 » by **Feed Your Head** » Mon Feb 1, 2021 2:08 pm

grantlongforpresident wrote:Tatum is a ridiculously skilled offensive player.

However, I don’t think he has the dogged mentality like many of the guys from the 08 team. What made guys like Kobe and MJ special was their relentless, insatiable thirst for winning. Pierce had it as well. He played with so much heart and willed us back in so many games. Tatum doesn’t seem to have that personality. I’d even go as far to say that he can be a little mentally soft at times.

To get the best out of Tatum, I think Ainge needs to surround him (and Brown) with team focused guys who are on a mission.

You don’t average 26/10/5 during a long playoff run, while getting doubled/trapped/box and one’d a majority of the time if you’re mentally soft, especially at 22 years old.

It takes time to build up the mentality that you’re talking about.

Wes-J · Post #1038 » by **Wes-J** » Mon Feb 1, 2021 7:51 pm

The Comedian wrote:
grantlongforpresident wrote:Tatum is a ridiculously skilled offensive player.

However, I don’t think he has the dogged mentality like many of the guys from the 08 team. What made guys like Kobe and MJ special was their relentless, insatiable thirst for winning. Pierce had it as well. He played with so much heart and willed us back in so many games. Tatum doesn’t seem to have that personality. I’d even go as far to say that he can be a little mentally soft at times.

To get the best out of Tatum, I think Ainge needs to surround him (and Brown) with team focused guys who are on a mission.

You don’t average 26/10/5 during a long playoff run, while getting doubled/trapped/box and one’d a majority of the time if you’re mentally soft, especially at 22 years old.

It takes time to build up the mentality that you’re talking about.

This dude done poked the bear.

Post #1039 » by **Feed Your Head** » Mon Feb 1, 2021 7:56 pm

Wes-J wrote:
The Comedian wrote:
grantlongforpresident wrote:Tatum is a ridiculously skilled offensive player.

However, I don’t think he has the dogged mentality like many of the guys from the 08 team. What made guys like Kobe and MJ special was their relentless, insatiable thirst for winning. Pierce had it as well. He played with so much heart and willed us back in so many games. Tatum doesn’t seem to have that personality. I’d even go as far to say that he can be a little mentally soft at times.

To get the best out of Tatum, I think Ainge needs to surround him (and Brown) with team focused guys who are on a mission.

You don’t average 26/10/5 during a long playoff run, while getting doubled/trapped/box and one’d a majority of the time if you’re mentally soft, especially at 22 years old.

It takes time to build up the mentality that you’re talking about.

This dude done poked the bear.

I’m all for tangible and realistic criticism, but the mentally soft stuff kills me.

grantlongforpresident · Post #1040 » by **grantlongforpresident** » Tue Feb 2, 2021 1:22 am

I hear you. As I said, he’s a great offensive player. I guess I just don’t see the fire yet the way you do. It isn’t about scoring. Carmelo had great scoring numbers. KD is a MVP level player and personally I don’t think he has a cold blooded mentality either (although I’d love him on our team). So it’s subjective.