Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . .

GoGreen · Post #1021 » by **GoGreen** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 7:20 pm

KP is a good player with injury concerns and it's fair to bring that up imo. It doesn't need to be two extremes of "he's totally fine" or "it's the end of his career" followed by some snarky comments. But welcome to the internet (and modern day media).

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Post #1022 » by **Darthlukey** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 8:16 pm

GoGreen wrote:KP is a good player with injury concerns and it's fair to bring that up imo. It doesn't need to be two extremes of "he's totally fine" or "it's the end of his career" followed by some snarky comments. But welcome to the internet (and modern day media).

GMBS knew what he was getting. KP is injury prone, everyone in the NBA knows it. All we can do is load manage, which should be easier since he is now a 3rd option. Still think we need a serviceable big on the roster to play in leiu of kp, Al, Rob for load management and eventual injuries. No idea who though

Hal14 · Post #1023 » by **Hal14** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 8:22 pm

Darthlukey wrote:
GoGreen wrote:KP is a good player with injury concerns and it's fair to bring that up imo. It doesn't need to be two extremes of "he's totally fine" or "it's the end of his career" followed by some snarky comments. But welcome to the internet (and modern day media).

GMBS knew what he was getting. KP is injury prone, everyone in the NBA knows it. All we can do is load manage, which should be easier since he is now a 3rd option. Still think we need a serviceable big on the roster to play in leiu of kp, Al, Rob for load management and eventual injuries. No idea who though

Luke Kornet.

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Hal14 · Post #1024 » by **Hal14** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 10:04 pm

This game just happened yesterday. Wenyen Gabriel looked decent. Some nice plays by him at :51, 3:28, 4:09 and 5:46 while facing an Australia team loaded with solid NBA players.

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Keep in mind, Gabriel just joined the team like a week ago so did not have much practice time with the team. Considering that and considering the squad he was facing, I thought he looked pretty good.

Triple7 · Post #1025 » by **Triple7** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 10:05 pm

tfribs45 wrote:
bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:This is the worrisome day...

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Zinger didn't work out for Dallas or the Knicks and he shined on a weak Wiz team. This was a BIG risk, high reward move, not to mention we gave up Smahhht and we're stuck keeping a disgruntled Brogdan. Heads are going to roll if this move backfires...Going to be an interesting season for sure! Time to earn that money Bubblegum Joe lmao

Lol. Move on already!

Triple7 · Post #1026 » by **Triple7** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 10:10 pm

tfribs45 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
tfribs45 wrote:we're stuck keeping a disgruntled Brogdan.

I've seen nothing to indicate that Brogdon is disgruntled.

If anything, Smart was the disgruntled one (clashed with Mazzulla, made passive aggressive comments about him in the media, Smart was still butthurt about Udoka leaving whereas Brogdon never played for Udoka so he's fine with it, etc.) and we got rid of Smart.

Plus, Brogdon was the better player last season by basically every advanced stat (and played in more games).

Brogdon is the better shooter and made less bonehead turnovers..

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tfribs45 wrote:Going to be an interesting season for sure! Time to earn that money Bubblegum Joe lmao

This season should be much easier for Mazzulla. Let's think about it here...

Last season:
-First year HC, had to go through everything an NBA HC goes through for the 1st time
-found our he was the head coach like the day before training camp started.
-Had to weather the storm caused by the Udoka scandal.
-Walked in to a locker room full of confused players who didn't understand what happened, why Udoka was suspended, didn't know whether Udoka would be brought back the following season or not, weren't given straight answers by ownership/management as to what happened.
-Had basically no time to prepare for the season to be the head coach.
-Rob had to have his 2nd knee surgery in a 6 month span - right before training camp.
-Gallo tore his ACL right before training camp
-He had to coach with a group of assistants who were Ime's boys - were hired by Ime - not by him. And the top assistant (Damon) left to take a college job right before the playoffs.

This season:
-2nd year HC, with a full season under his belt. Can learn from the experiences of last season
-Has the entire offseason to prepare to be the HC
-Gets to coach with assistants who he hand picked and hired.
-No scandal or controversy that caused a dark cloud hovering over the team all season
-Everyone on the the team is expected to be healthy when training camp starts
-Less pressure and more security, since he's now got a long term contract and no more interim tag on his title

all I hear from you in these stats are excuses... He inherited one of the best NBA rosters from top to bottom and it was amateur hour on the sidelines, especially in the playoffs. From game-time decisions, timeouts, and embarrassing pressers after the games. I do like the Cassel addition and I could see Sam grabbing the bull by it's horns. Time will tell, I'm just a little more pessimistic then Pleasantville Hal, where everything's perfect.

Brogs def had a solid year, but disappeared when the lights were bright. All three of our guards were solid, but I'm still ranking Smahht as the 1 last year, White and Brogs were a close second.

We know you are a Smart fan boy haha. But ranking him above White is just delusional. Oh and both white and Brogs won legit awards last season.

Triple7 · Post #1027 » by **Triple7** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 10:16 pm

tfribs45 wrote:
MeanGeraldGreen wrote:
Hal14 wrote:Plus, Brogdon was the better player last season by basically every advanced stat (and played in more games).

EPM
Smart: 1.7
Brogdon: 0.2

DPM
Smart: 1.3
Brogdon: 0.1

LEBRON
Smart: 0.9
Brogdon: 0.48

LA-RAPM
Smart: 1.0
Brogdon: 0.4

RAPTOR
Brogdon: 1.8
Smart: 0.9

RPM
Smart: 0.72
Brogdon: -2.77

BPM
Smart: 1.0
Brogdon: 2.8

So Brogdon beat Smart in BPM, which makes sense as it’s just a box score stat. Smart had a much better EPM/DPM/LEBRON which are the three most well thought of advanced stats. Smart also a much better luck adjusted RAPM, while Brogdon has Smart beat in RAPTOR, which is being discontinued/revamped before next season. RPM sucks, but I figured I’d throw that in there too, as it’s another one with Smart way ahead.

Overall, Smart had a pretty sizable edge when it comes to advanced stats, and that’s been the case for years.

The Smahht hate blinds a lot of these green teamers. He'll be missed whether they want to admit it or not....The J's praised Marcus over the last few weeks , lets be real. Grizz scooped him up for pennies on a dollar! Now if Zinger puts us over the top, then it will all be worth it.

Who tf cares. He is gone and never coming back. Move on already.

Post #1028 » by **ParticleMan** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 11:15 pm

I don't understand the whole Smart/Brogdon thing. Of course Smart is better. But we weren't getting KP by trading Brogs, at least not with everything else we got in return.

The real question is, is the downgrade from losing Smart bigger than the upgrade from getting KP? In a vacuum it's arguable, but given the fact that we have a pretty solid guard in PP who got no run last year while our bigs situation was a disaster (made worse by Grant leaving), I think it's a no-brainer that we upgraded more than downgraded.

bigfoot_cryptozoology · Post #1029 » by **bigfoot_cryptozoology** » Thu Aug 17, 2023 11:16 pm

If they can just all stay healthy...

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Post #1030 » by **Darthlukey** » Fri Aug 18, 2023 3:51 am

bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:If they can just all stay healthy...

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A repeat of the 2010 team, but winning it all this time (less ancient than that team, but more injury prone in certain spots)

Post #1031 » by **Darthlukey** » Fri Aug 18, 2023 3:53 am

ParticleMan wrote:I don't understand the whole Smart/Brogdon thing. Of course Smart is better. But we weren't getting KP by trading Brogs, at least not with everything else we got in return.

The real question is, is the downgrade from losing Smart bigger than the upgrade from getting KP? In a vacuum it's arguable, but given the fact that we have a pretty solid guard in PP who got no run last year while our bigs situation was a disaster (made worse by Grant leaving), I think it's a no-brainer that we upgraded more than downgraded.

In a vacuum, in a specific role Smart is a huge loss. But his proclivity for playing outside his role and his alleged attitude towards thinking he was a star due to his tenure reduced his value to the team overall. But still a loss either way you look at it.

Fierce1 · Post #1032 » by **Fierce1** » Fri Aug 18, 2023 5:00 am

Darthlukey wrote:
ParticleMan wrote:I don't understand the whole Smart/Brogdon thing. Of course Smart is better. But we weren't getting KP by trading Brogs, at least not with everything else we got in return.

The real question is, is the downgrade from losing Smart bigger than the upgrade from getting KP? In a vacuum it's arguable, but given the fact that we have a pretty solid guard in PP who got no run last year while our bigs situation was a disaster (made worse by Grant leaving), I think it's a no-brainer that we upgraded more than downgraded.

In a vacuum, in a specific role Smart is a huge loss. But his proclivity for playing outside his role and his alleged attitude towards thinking he was a star due to his tenure reduced his value to the team overall. But still a loss either way you look at it.

If the Cs win a championship in the next 2 years then losing Smart is not a loss.

Fierce1 · Post #1033 » by **Fierce1** » Fri Aug 18, 2023 5:05 am

We can look it at this way, for the Cs to take the next step and reach the elite level status, Smart has to be sacrificed.

A case of Brad Stevens cashing in on his asset, Marcus Smart, and ending up with a much needed star big man in KP.

Triple7 · Post #1034 » by **Triple7** » Fri Aug 18, 2023 6:19 am

Fierce1 wrote:We can look it at this way, for the Cs to take the next step and reach the elite level status, Smart has to be sacrificed.

A case of Brad Stevens cashing in on his asset, Marcus Smart, and ending up with a much needed star big man in KP.

We will never win with smart as our starting pg. would have love him as a bench player 6th/7th man. Its just addition by subtraction. Lets just stop talking about Smart. Fan boys here needs to move on already jeez. Whatever happens with Porzingis and this team, i’m glad we got rid of smart coz he’s really killing this team especially at close games.

GoGreen · Post #1035 » by **GoGreen** » Fri Aug 18, 2023 7:50 am

Fans had an emotional connection to Marcus, I understand that, I just think this team will be better off without him. Let's see how it goes for realsies.

Post #1036 » by **shackles10** » Fri Aug 18, 2023 10:52 am

I don’t think Smart had to go for any of the reasons brought up except for possibly one, and it’s not been specifically mentioned much at all. White should at the very least be given the chance to earn a starting pg role, and very possibly shouldn’t really be a “given the chance” kind of thing and he should just flat out be the starting pg. With Marcus on the team I don’t think that would ever happen because of a combination of the fallout in chemistry by moving him to the bench and the lack of effectiveness of Smart if you let them both start in the backcourt but made White more on ball and Smart more of an off the ball player.

Post #1037 » by **165bows** » Fri Aug 18, 2023 11:11 am

Keep coming back to the Brogdon for Jerami Grant based swap. If there’s anything to the LAC deal that’s the three way that makes sense.

LA needs a PG and has expiring junk deals and some minor young guy assets. Boston wants more size and to convert Brogdon into a longer term value that can play with their starters. Portland, well that’s been done to death.

Worth keeping an eye on for the deadline.

chrisab123 · Post #1038 » by **chrisab123** » Fri Aug 18, 2023 11:22 am

Triple7 wrote:
tfribs45 wrote:
MeanGeraldGreen wrote:
EPM
Smart: 1.7
Brogdon: 0.2

DPM
Smart: 1.3
Brogdon: 0.1

LEBRON
Smart: 0.9
Brogdon: 0.48

LA-RAPM
Smart: 1.0
Brogdon: 0.4

RAPTOR
Brogdon: 1.8
Smart: 0.9

RPM
Smart: 0.72
Brogdon: -2.77

BPM
Smart: 1.0
Brogdon: 2.8

So Brogdon beat Smart in BPM, which makes sense as it’s just a box score stat. Smart had a much better EPM/DPM/LEBRON which are the three most well thought of advanced stats. Smart also a much better luck adjusted RAPM, while Brogdon has Smart beat in RAPTOR, which is being discontinued/revamped before next season. RPM sucks, but I figured I’d throw that in there too, as it’s another one with Smart way ahead.

Overall, Smart had a pretty sizable edge when it comes to advanced stats, and that’s been the case for years.

The Smahht hate blinds a lot of these green teamers. He'll be missed whether they want to admit it or not....The J's praised Marcus over the last few weeks , lets be real. Grizz scooped him up for pennies on a dollar! Now if Zinger puts us over the top, then it will all be worth it.

Who tf cares. He is gone and never coming back. Move on already.

Porzingis and 2 firsts are pennies on the dollar? Da faq? I'll certainly miss those 2 for 9 shooting nights from 3 point range! He's a good role player, he's not on Brown's level and certainly isn't better than White.

Smart more or less wanted to be Steph Curry and became Antonie Walker.

MeanGeraldGreen · Post #1039 » by **MeanGeraldGreen** » Fri Aug 18, 2023 11:29 am

chrisab123 wrote:
Triple7 wrote:
tfribs45 wrote:
The Smahht hate blinds a lot of these green teamers. He'll be missed whether they want to admit it or not....The J's praised Marcus over the last few weeks , lets be real. Grizz scooped him up for pennies on a dollar! Now if Zinger puts us over the top, then it will all be worth it.

Who tf cares. He is gone and never coming back. Move on already.

Smart more or less wanted to be Steph Curry and became Antonie Walker.

chrisab123 · Post #1040 » by **chrisab123** » Fri Aug 18, 2023 11:50 am

GoGreen wrote:KP is a good player with injury concerns and it's fair to bring that up imo. It doesn't need to be two extremes of "he's totally fine" or "it's the end of his career" followed by some snarky comments. But welcome to the internet (and modern day media).

Half this board wants this deal to fail so bad.