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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader 

Post#1041 » by London2Boston » Sat Apr 1, 2017 2:30 am

Yabu early fave for MVP next year? I think he will have tough competition with Lebron and Zizic though.
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Post#1042 » by Dogen » Sat Apr 1, 2017 4:26 am

London2Boston wrote:Yabu early fave for MVP next year? I think he will have tough competition with Lebron and Zizic though.


And Nader.
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Post#1043 » by AlCelticFan » Sat Apr 1, 2017 4:57 am

It's hard to take the NBDL seriously with Jordan Mickey scoring 24 points. A guy who can barely score 2 points in the NBA.
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Post#1044 » by Parliament10 » Sat Apr 1, 2017 7:05 am

AlCelticFan wrote:It's hard to take the NBDL seriously with Jordan Mickey scoring 24 points. A guy who can barely score 2 points in the NBA.

I think it's more about opportunity.

Isaiah Thomas would score 100 points, before they shut him down for the night.
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Post#1045 » by ConstableGeneva » Sat Apr 1, 2017 9:23 am


Mickey with 24p, 5r, and 2b.
Nader with 14p, 5r, and 3a.
Jackson with 12p, 5r, and 8a.
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Post#1046 » by 24istheLAW » Sat Apr 1, 2017 9:58 am

Glad to see Yabusele contribute, but he really didn't answer any questions about his ability to play in the NBA.

He scored/got to the line on drives. Ultimately his NBA success is going to depend on shooting off the catch. He hesitated to take several 3s and his shot has a lot of moving parts. Can't be a stretch 4 without the stretch.
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Post#1047 » by sam_I_am » Sat Apr 1, 2017 12:09 pm

I like his crossover dribble and quick first step. His size will cause problems for small ball PFs and his speed will be tough to match for bigs. Although he showed he can elevate on the dunk he did finish some drives at rim and that won't cut it in NBA. Overall I love his motor and bodies seem to fly all over the place (including his own) when he attacks the basket. Guys were just clubbing him because the bear is too much of a beast to handle.
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Post#1048 » by Curmudgeon » Sat Apr 1, 2017 12:17 pm

They lost by 20. Don't any of these Red Claws guys play defense, or are they just looking to score?
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Post#1049 » by Gant » Sat Apr 1, 2017 1:23 pm

Yabusele looks promising. His shot didn't fall early last night, and he didn't get enough touches. But he moved really well, and he's so strong with light feet, long arms, and skills that there's reason to hope he will become a unique contributor in Boston.

The D in D-league is for "developmental." That's their prime goal and they do it very well. It's shocking how much of the NBA is made up of one-time D-leaguers. In Boston alone Crowder, Bradley, Amir Johnson, Rozier, and Green all played there. Plus Mickey, Young, Jackson, and now soon-to-be Celtics Nader and Yabusele.
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Post#1050 » by Homerclease » Sat Apr 1, 2017 1:48 pm

To me I think Yabs needs another year. Talent is there but he's soooooo far away on the defensive end I don't see him cracking the rotation at all next season. Send him to Europe in a far better league than the Chinese league and let him develop one more year IMO
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Post#1051 » by chrisab123 » Sat Apr 1, 2017 2:00 pm

Homerclease wrote:To me I think Yabs needs another year. Talent is there but he's soooooo far away on the defensive end I don't see him cracking the rotation at all next season. Send him to Europe in a far better league than the Chinese league and let him develop one more year IMO


We don't see eye to eye on a lot of things but this needs to happen. At the very least he needs a full year in the D League. The CBA is the equivalent to a YMCA rec league.
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Post#1052 » by Gant » Sat Apr 1, 2017 2:04 pm

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Playing for the first time since injuring his left ankle in his China finale four weeks prior, he came off the bench for the Red Claws and recorded 17 points and nine rebounds in 25 minutes. In the 122-105 Maine loss to the Swarm, he still managed to be a plus-2.

He’s a slice of Shamrock future still several months from potential impact, but assistant general manager Mike Zarren was parked in a room off the backstage hallway at the Garden watching Yabusele on a TV hooked to his laptop. He left when the Celts and Magic tipped off, but he was back at halftime, and he was watching the D-League replay even more closely last night.

“I’ve got to watch the rest of it, but it looks like he’s moving well, which is good,” said Zarren. “He doesn’t look out of place on the court, and he hasn’t played in a month — and not with this level of guys since summer.

“Even just getting used to the NBA style of officiating before he has to play in summer league and for us is great. He’s getting to know some of our plays. The Claws run a lot of our plays. And any on-court experience for a kid his age is great.”

Yabusele, the No. 16 overall pick, hit half his eight shots and nine of his 10 free throws.

“We know he can shoot,” Zarren said. “I’m not worried about whether or not he makes shots tonight.”


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Post#1053 » by Homerclease » Sat Apr 1, 2017 2:41 pm

chrisab123 wrote:
Homerclease wrote:To me I think Yabs needs another year. Talent is there but he's soooooo far away on the defensive end I don't see him cracking the rotation at all next season. Send him to Europe in a far better league than the Chinese league and let him develop one more year IMO


We don't see eye to eye on a lot of things but this needs to happen. At the very least he needs a full year in the D League. The CBA is the equivalent to a YMCA rec league.

Well **** I must be wrong then. :D but seriously, Yabs is so young and watching him last night as of now the guy has no shot on defense in the NBA. Playing in a stronger euro league is exactly what he needs at this juncture
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Post#1054 » by Parliament10 » Sat Apr 1, 2017 3:32 pm

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chrisab123 wrote:
Homerclease wrote:To me I think Yabs needs another year. Talent is there but he's soooooo far away on the defensive end I don't see him cracking the rotation at all next season. Send him to Europe in a far better league than the Chinese league and let him develop one more year IMO


We don't see eye to eye on a lot of things but this needs to happen. At the very least he needs a full year in the D League. The CBA is the equivalent to a YMCA rec league.

Well **** I must be wrong then. :D but seriously, Yabs is so young and watching him last night as of now the guy has no shot on defense in the NBA. Playing in a stronger euro league is exactly what he needs at this juncture

I Strongly Disagree.

No one plays Defense in the D-League. Yabusele needs to be at the NBA level = to get NBA Experience.
He hasn't had that. And he wont get it, until he comes here.

Remember also -- He hasn't played for 4 weeks, and is recovering from an injury.
He's at the very least a 3rd Stringer, and obviously better than our 11th-15th players.
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Post#1055 » by Homerclease » Sat Apr 1, 2017 3:42 pm

Parliament10 wrote:
Homerclease wrote:
chrisab123 wrote:
We don't see eye to eye on a lot of things but this needs to happen. At the very least he needs a full year in the D League. The CBA is the equivalent to a YMCA rec league.

Well **** I must be wrong then. :D but seriously, Yabs is so young and watching him last night as of now the guy has no shot on defense in the NBA. Playing in a stronger euro league is exactly what he needs at this juncture

I Strongly Disagree.

No one plays Defense in the D-League. Yabusele needs to be at the NBA level = to get NBA Experience.
He hasn't had that. And he wont get it, until he comes here.

Remember also -- He hasn't played for 4 weeks, and is recovering from an injury.
He's at the very least a 3rd Stringer, and obviously better than our 11th-15th players.

The guy had 4 fouls in like 15 minutes of play, in the NBA teams will just go right at him until he's out of the game which should take all of 2 minutes as of right now. He's just not ready IMO. Go play in the euro league against some real competition like Zizic did. We can wait another year on this kid
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Post#1056 » by canman1971 » Sat Apr 1, 2017 3:45 pm

Homerclease wrote:
Parliament10 wrote:
Homerclease wrote:Well **** I must be wrong then. :D but seriously, Yabs is so young and watching him last night as of now the guy has no shot on defense in the NBA. Playing in a stronger euro league is exactly what he needs at this juncture

I Strongly Disagree.

No one plays Defense in the D-League. Yabusele needs to be at the NBA level = to get NBA Experience.
He hasn't had that. And he wont get it, until he comes here.

Remember also -- He hasn't played for 4 weeks, and is recovering from an injury.
He's at the very least a 3rd Stringer, and obviously better than our 11th-15th players.

The guy had 4 fouls in like 15 minutes of play, in the NBA teams will just go right at him until he's out of the game which should take all of 2 minutes as of right now. He's just not ready IMO. Go play in the euro league against some real competition like Zizic did. We can wait another year on this kid

Damn, he hasn't played in a month and is coming off of an injury and it is his first game. Let him get acclimated.
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Post#1057 » by Parliament10 » Sat Apr 1, 2017 3:47 pm

Another thing with the D-League, is that it's essentially rigged, or sabotaged, for lack of better words.

Players make virtually no money. So, everyone is trying to get a Call-up, and get paid. At least enough to support a family.
The NBA dropped the ball, on this. They had a perfect opportunity (in CBA 2017) to shore up the D-League. Something that Carmelo Anthony was pushing for.

If the base players make $100,000+, then this League will become more serious.
Another thing is, that we need 5 x Two-Way Contracts, per team.

The D-League needs it's own Union Status, obviously.
Also, I think that they should be allowed to go over 30 teams. Affiliating more than one Minor league team, with the NBA teams.

Owners have the TV Contracts, The Gatorade Deal, The Jersey Advertisements, and who knows what else.
Thus, the Owners have the money, to vastly improve the D-League.
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Post#1058 » by Homerclease » Sat Apr 1, 2017 3:50 pm

canman1971 wrote:
Homerclease wrote:
Parliament10 wrote:I Strongly Disagree.

No one plays Defense in the D-League. Yabusele needs to be at the NBA level = to get NBA Experience.
He hasn't had that. And he wont get it, until he comes here.

Remember also -- He hasn't played for 4 weeks, and is recovering from an injury.
He's at the very least a 3rd Stringer, and obviously better than our 11th-15th players.

The guy had 4 fouls in like 15 minutes of play, in the NBA teams will just go right at him until he's out of the game which should take all of 2 minutes as of right now. He's just not ready IMO. Go play in the euro league against some real competition like Zizic did. We can wait another year on this kid

Damn, he hasn't played in a month and is coming off of an injury and it is his first game. Let him get acclimated.

It's not just this game, he played no D in the summer league and no D in China either. This isn't an isolated scenario and one of the reasons I wasn't high on him going to the Chinese league to begin with. Defensive concepts are alien to this kid and as you've seen with Brad and Jaylen this year, if you aren't involved on defense you are going to be parked on the bench. I don't want to waste a year of cost control on this kid when IMO he isn't ready for the big time yet. What's the rush either way?
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Post#1059 » by Edug27 » Sat Apr 1, 2017 3:52 pm

Looking at Yabus frame and tree trunk legs, I'm not too hopeful about him turning into anything special. Maybe a slight upgrade to Jerebko one day.
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Post#1060 » by Parliament10 » Sat Apr 1, 2017 3:55 pm

Homerclease wrote:
canman1971 wrote:
Homerclease wrote:The guy had 4 fouls in like 15 minutes of play, in the NBA teams will just go right at him until he's out of the game which should take all of 2 minutes as of right now. He's just not ready IMO. Go play in the euro league against some real competition like Zizic did. We can wait another year on this kid

Damn, he hasn't played in a month and is coming off of an injury and it is his first game. Let him get acclimated.

It's not just this game, he played no D in the summer league and no D in China either. This isn't an isolated scenario and one of the reasons I wasn't high on him going to the Chinese league to begin with. Defensive concepts are alien to this kid and as you've seen with Brad and Jaylen this year, if you aren't involved on defense you are going to be parked on the bench. I don't want to waste a year of cost control on this kid when IMO he isn't ready for the big time yet. What's the rush either way?

The "Rush" would be the limited time that a person can play, at the NBA level.

We also have a ton of players -- currently in the NBA -- that don't play Defense well. So, what's the Biggie?
We got him. He's here. Let's play him.
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