"We Tried So Hard, and (Haven't) Got so Far, But in the End, It Doesn't Even Matter" Trade Thread

[zoyathedestroya]

Interesting that Orlando loves Kemba.

Kemba, Edwards and a pick to Orlando for Vucevic and Fournier
Thompson and Romeo to Sacrmento for Barnes and Whiteside


Smart/Pritchard/Teague
Brown/Fournier/Green
Barnes/Nesmith/Semi
Tatum/Theis/GrantW
Vucevic/Timelord/Whiteside

Come on, man. If they're trading for Kemba, it means they want to win. Doesn't make sense to send Vuc back. At least aim lower?

The article states that all 3 of those guys are available and that they like Kemba.
Doesnt say about wanting to win, this year at least, they are better served to lose, get Fultz and Isaac back and run into next season with a high pick, Kemba, Fultz, Isaac

It doesn't make sense to give up an all-star just to get Kemba w/ knee issues in return. Next season, they're even worse with Kemba but without Vuc. The idea is to pair them together.

I think the implication is they're open to being both a seller and a buyer depending on offers and acquisition cost.

[Celts17Pride]

Just happy to have a rumor that someone has at least a little interest in Kemba Walker.

[zoyathedestroya]

Just happy to have a rumor that someone has at least a little interest in Kemba Walker.

Mannix taking one for the team.

[JediMasterRevan]

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I'll run to Boston from Texas and beg Danny with Chipotle.

Kemba/Neismith for Fournier/Gordon.

Pretty much fixes a lot. Cap flexibility moving forward and we get so much better on defense

Kemba and Edwards for Fournier and Gordon. Like that alot.
No impact on cap at all. saves TPE for offseason potentially.

Smart/PP/Teague
Brown/Fournier/Green
Tatum/Nesmith/Romeo
Gordon/GrantW/Semi
Theis/Thompson/Timelord/

Still need a potential backup PG, and definitely an upgrade at backup PF spot.

[Fierce1]

Last year it was unthinkable that Gordon Hayward would walk away from 34m.
The economy is bad and there's a pandemic going, but Hayward walked away from 34m and a team was crazy enough to offer him 30m per year for 4 years guaranteed!

Lol at anyone who thought that Hayward was going to opt in. The absolute worst case scenario for Hayward was him securing a 4 year, $80 million deal from the Celtics. It was a no-brainer for him to opt out, rather than play one more year at $34 million and risk a career ending injury.

NBA analysts were the ones who said Hayward would opt in.

[CeltsfaninDC]

Show of hands... Since everyone here has their own ideas of improving the team...

Who among here will be content with the team doing nothing instead?

Which I think is the likelier outcome.

I'm happy if they don't do something stupid just for the sake of doing something. There are no AD trades out there to make so we are settling for players like John Collins? If the Barnes trade is the best out there then go get him because he is a big improvement over what we have now. Trade Tristan to TOR for Baynes and clear some money. getting healthy will actually be a huge improvement

[robdog_5]

If you deal Kemba IMO you go hard for Lonzo now. Much easier to play and resign when Kemba gone and he can be a potential chip for Beal down the road

[JediMasterRevan]

If you deal Kemba IMO you go hard for Lonzo now. Much easier to play and resign when Kemba gone and he can be a potential chip for Beal down the road

Yes, agreed, but how do you get ball?

Rubio is a good idea too IMO as a backup/split starter.

Techinically all works under CBA

Kemba and Edwards to Orlando
Fournier and Gordon to Boston
Teague and Grant Minny for Rubio

Smart/Rubio/Pritchard
Brown/Fournier/Romeo
Tatum/Nesmith/Green
Gordon/Thompson/Semi
Theis/Timelord/

[moonie_mcgee]

I’m not sure what you guys are smoking. The Celtics have had a fair amount of success in recent years. They are 5th in the east right now and are trending upward.

There is a spectrum between crushing it and getting fired. Is he crushing it? No. But Ainge is not anywhere near the “getting fired” part of the spectrum. Generally you get fired when you have a sustained period of underperformance with a bum outlook. Perhaps if we remain only slightly above average for a few more years Wyc will get impatient, but at present, I don’t believe that to be the case.

Of course but if he can't fix his mess he should step aside no? Miami just made the finals over us. We're tied with the Knicks. Rozier and Hayward killing it. Where's the pride. Where's the change. Where's the effort.

What mess? We've got one of the best young cores in the league and they've already got a ton of playoff experience. This season has been all over the place but as far as I know Ainge didn't cause covid which completely killed the off-season and he didn't injure anyone on the team keeping our expected team from playing together. Other than a couple teams at the top and a couple at the bottom the whole league is all over the map right now.

Well another poster used mess and I ran with it. Your points are all valid of course but doesn't it seem like Ainge is scrambling, reacting to the product he built rather than leading, creating a contender. Ainge should admit it and pivot

[zoyathedestroya]

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[jeremym480]

Celtics - Get a young PF to pair with the Jays, Barnes a nice wing, and bring back a Celtics legend to be the 3rd PG/Assistant Coach... plus, keep the TPE for the offseason... then I'd probably do the Thompson for Baynes deal just to get bigger and bring back someone who probably wouldn't mind a reduced role

Smart/Brown/Barnes/Tatum/Theis
PP/Langford/Semi/Collins/Rob
Rondo/Teague/Grant/Baynes

Magic - Get a PG to go along with Vuc and Issac. They can pretty much rest him for the rest of this season and gear up for when Issac returns. They would want more, I'm just not sure how much more, maybe Theis but I'm not sure that they need him.

Hawks - Get two nice vets for a player they didn't want to play. Both guys should fit nicely with Trae

Kings - Get a nice young lotto pick, another 1st, and a couple of expiring vets (likely buyout candidates)

[gocelts]

If we are able to trade Kemba in a non salary dump trade, I’d eat my shoe.

I'll raise your shoe and eat my underwear.

I dont know what they are inhaling in Orlando but we need to trade Kemba before it wears off..

[BillessuR6]

Do not see it but if indeed there is just a glimmer of truth that ORL wants Kemba, we need to find a deal. Fournier and Ross is enough for me...

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Oh my. That article says Vucevic, Gordon and Fournier are all available, and Orlando likes Kemba.

I'm not sure if this works but trade for Barnes (Nesmith and a lotto protected 1st) and Vuc (Kemba, Theis, +), then George Hill (with hopefully what's left of the TPE and a 2nd) and call it a day.

Barnes + Vucevic are in the same salary range as Kemba + Thompson.

The Celtics could afford to add salary in the Hill range without going beyond the salary cap.

Vucevic would got into the Hayward TPE. Hill would be acquired directly for Thompson. The difference between Kemba's and Barnes' salaries would be a new TPE.

A similar story probably works if Theis goes out instead of Thompson, but it wouldn't be as easy to keep a low 8-figure TPE at the end.

[Celts17Pride]

The only interest (if any) that Orlando would have in Kemba Walker would be to team him up with Vucevic in my opinion. Adding Kemba and losing Vucevic makes no sense.

[zoyathedestroya]

Sam Amick now saying SAC isn't as open to moving Barnes as initially perceived. That they need to be blown away by an offer before they trade him.

[GoCeltics123]

Sam Amick now saying SAC isn't as open as moving Barnes as initially perceived. That they need to be blown away by an offer before they trade him.

Could be leverage or not. Who knows

[Feed Your Head]

Sam Amick now saying SAC isn't as open as moving Barnes as initially perceived. That they need to be blown away by an offer before they trade him.

Could be leverage or not. Who knows

I’d lean towards leveraging lol.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Last year it was unthinkable that Gordon Hayward would walk away from 34m.
The economy is bad and there's a pandemic going, but Hayward walked away from 34m and a team was crazy enough to offer him 30m per year for 4 years guaranteed!

Lol at anyone who thought that Hayward was going to opt in. The absolute worst case scenario for Hayward was him securing a 4 year, $80 million deal from the Celtics. It was a no-brainer for him to opt out, rather than play one more year at $34 million and risk a career ending injury.

NBA analysts were the ones who said Hayward would opt in.

They are also stupid. We literally saw Horford, who was older and a lesser player than Hayward, opt out and secure $27 million/year over 4 years. People who thought Hayward would opt back in either don’t understand economics or had green-tinted glasses on. It was a no-brainer for him to opt out.

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The only interest (if any) that Orlando would have in Kemba Walker would be to team him up with Vucevic in my opinion. Adding Kemba and losing Vucevic makes no sense.

You're probably right.

That would leave room however for Kemba haters to tell a Gordon + Fournier story. Perhaps flip the expiring Fournier as part of a Barnes deal, or just keep him if there's confidence he can be resigned immediately.

Or even flip Gordon for Barnes. Sac gets a little younger, a little bouncier, potentially a little cheaper, and gets help tanking this season if that's how they choose to play Gordon's injury.