The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread

[ddb]

I wonder if Cleveland (once they falter) would do an Osman for Nesmith swap. Boston could absorb the difference in salary via TPE...Osman shoots it over 40% from deep. Plays multiple positions. Still relatively young so could be a nice piece for Boston coming off the bench.

[Shak_Celts]

Lol at kemba but wtf on ainge signing him to a max!

Desperate move after losing Kyrie in free-agency.

Ainge was thinking he was replacing the loss of a star guard with another star guard.

With a little health luck we could have been in the finals, at least, with Kemba year 1. Danny made a good move with what he knew at the time and it nearly worked perfectly!

[ddb]

Lol at kemba but wtf on ainge signing him to a max!

Desperate move after losing Kyrie in free-agency.

Ainge was thinking he was replacing the loss of a star guard with another star guard.

With a little health luck we could have been in the finals, at least, with Kemba year 1. Danny made a good move with what he knew at the time and it nearly worked perfectly!

easier to look back and judge....however, I think the right move would have been resigning Horford and keeping Rozier. But whatever...what's done is done. Kemba seems like a great guy, I wish him well.

[Shak_Celts]

Desperate move after losing Kyrie in free-agency.

Ainge was thinking he was replacing the loss of a star guard with another star guard.

With a little health luck we could have been in the finals, at least, with Kemba year 1. Danny made a good move with what he knew at the time and it nearly worked perfectly!

easier to look back and judge....however, I think the right move would have been resigning Horford and keeping Rozier. But whatever...what's done is done. Kemba seems like a great guy, I wish him well.

I think we underestimate who was going to start out of Smart and Rozier, Brad wanted Smart to come off. Do you think Smart would have truly been okay with that? Kyrie and Kemba, fine, but Rozier (Celts version)? We had Hayward so no way to start both.

Edit: Rozier left because he wanted to start.

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Desperate move after losing Kyrie in free-agency.

Ainge was thinking he was replacing the loss of a star guard with another star guard.

With a little health luck we could have been in the finals, at least, with Kemba year 1. Danny made a good move with what he knew at the time and it nearly worked perfectly!

easier to look back and judge....however, I think the right move would have been resigning Horford and keeping Rozier. But whatever...what's done is done. Kemba seems like a great guy, I wish him well.

at least (and maybe only) two of us wanted the Celtics to try to sign Vucevic rather than ever going near Kemba at that $$. I'll never go back to dig up those posts but lord knows I got the business plenty that Vuc was a stiff and Kemba was a STAR. This was all pre-knee trouble, but the majority of this board was pumped about giving Kemba north of $40M/year. And hey, he has a great smile, made an All Star team (as a *starter*) with us, and had a few good shooting stretches with us.

I, personally, am glad that the reign of max high usage/little passing/no defense PGs is finally over. (Schroder plays some defense:)

[zoyathedestroya]

Smart | Langford | Barnes | Tatum | Timelord
Haliburton | Richardson | Nesmith | Grant | Horford

[Feed Your Head]

Smart | Langford | Barnes | Tatum | Timelord
Haliburton | Richardson | Nesmith | Grant | Horford

[Fierce1]

I'd rather get Fox for Brown.

Smart and Fox will be a great duo for the Celts.

[Darthlukey]

Desperate move after losing Kyrie in free-agency.

Ainge was thinking he was replacing the loss of a star guard with another star guard.

With a little health luck we could have been in the finals, at least, with Kemba year 1. Danny made a good move with what he knew at the time and it nearly worked perfectly!

easier to look back and judge....however, I think the right move would have been resigning Horford and keeping Rozier. But whatever...what's done is done. Kemba seems like a great guy, I wish him well.

I remember the board at the time arguing DLO

[playa-hater]

After 2 straight games that Boston scored 135?? and 145, for their best offensive games of the year (by far!) and seeing much better ball movement, all without J Brown

Sorry but I am just itching to mention that.. but coincidence or not???

[zoyathedestroya]

After 2 straight games that Boston scored 135?? and 145, for their best offensive games of the year (by far!) and seeing much better ball movement, all without J Brown

Sorry but I am just itching to mention that.. but coincidence or not???

Five of our top six offensive performances based on ORtg were without Jaylen. The 6th one was the OT game vs. Hornets. Could just be a coincidence but I like how we've been playing without him.

EDIT: 8 of the team's 9 best shooting performances in terms of eFG% came when Brown was out. The 9th was the OT game vs. Hornets. Jaylen has missed 11 games so far.

[playa-hater]

After 2 straight games that Boston scored 135?? and 145, for their best offensive games of the year (by far!) and seeing much better ball movement, all without J Brown

Sorry but I am just itching to mention that.. but coincidence or not???

Five of our top six offensive performances based on ORtg were without Jaylen. The 6th one was the OT game vs. Hornets. Could just be a coincidence but I like how we've been playing without him.

It is still a small sample size, but wasn't it you who pointed out Tatum and Brown only had 11 ast to each other for the year??

May be nothing, but there is at least enough to make you wonder,

[zoyathedestroya]

After 2 straight games that Boston scored 135?? and 145, for their best offensive games of the year (by far!) and seeing much better ball movement, all without J Brown

Sorry but I am just itching to mention that.. but coincidence or not???

Five of our top six offensive performances based on ORtg were without Jaylen. The 6th one was the OT game vs. Hornets. Could just be a coincidence but I like how we've been playing without him.

It is still a small sample size, but wasn't it you who pointed out Tatum and Brown only had 11 ast to each other for the year??

May be nothing, but there is at least enough to make you wonder,

I'm biased so take this with a grain of salt, but I think Jaylen benefits greatly from Tatum's playmaking (not even direct assists most times) and the defensive attention he gets. The other way around isn't nearly as true. I think Brown is an elite finisher and has grown himself into a terrific scorer, but he's too tunnel vision-y for the type of offense Ime wants to install. Of all our main guys, I think he's the one who's gonna find it the hardest to adjust to Ime's desired system. When he scorches hot, it wows you and helps the team, but how sustainable is his chucking from three, dribbling into traffic for his difficult finishes, and attacking 1-on-3 in transition?

[playa-hater]

Five of our top six offensive performances based on ORtg were without Jaylen. The 6th one was the OT game vs. Hornets. Could just be a coincidence but I like how we've been playing without him.

It is still a small sample size, but wasn't it you who pointed out Tatum and Brown only had 11 ast to each other for the year??

May be nothing, but there is at least enough to make you wonder,

I'm biased so take this with a grain of salt, but I think Jaylen benefits greatly from Tatum's playmaking (not even direct assists most times) and the defensive attention he gets. The other way around isn't nearly as true. I think Brown is an elite finisher and has grown himself into a terrific scorer, but he's too tunnel vision-y for the type of offense Ime wants to install. Of all our main guys, I think he's the one who's gonna find it the hardest to adjust to Ime's desired system. When he scorches hot, it wows you and helps the team, but how sustainable is his chucking from three, dribbling into traffic for his difficult finishes, and attacking 1-on-3 in transition?

I don't think that is a bias.. I think it is just all true,,

[playa-hater]

May not be possible, but I would trade J Brown for Sabonis, KAT or Scotty Barnes in a heart beat.

Damn, J Brown to Philly, Simmons to Indiana *they have interest and Sabonis to Boston..

make it happen Danny err Stevens!!

[chrisab123]

Desperate move after losing Kyrie in free-agency.

Ainge was thinking he was replacing the loss of a star guard with another star guard.

With a little health luck we could have been in the finals, at least, with Kemba year 1. Danny made a good move with what he knew at the time and it nearly worked perfectly!

easier to look back and judge....however, I think the right move would have been resigning Horford and keeping Rozier. But whatever...what's done is done. Kemba seems like a great guy, I wish him well.

But if they resigned Rozier would Tatum have continued to develop to what he is today? Remember part of that whole deal was that Rozier felt that at the time he was a better player than Kyrie and wanted to be "the man". Rozier is at best a complimentary piece not a center piece on a contender. He's good where he's at since Charlotte will never win anything and he can put up garbage points as the #1/#2 option.

[chrisab123]

May not be possible, but I would trade J Brown for Sabonis, KAT or Scotty Barnes in a heart beat.

Damn, J Brown to Philly, Simmons to Indiana *they have interest and Sabonis to Boston..

make it happen Danny err Stevens!!

I love Sabonis but its not good business to trade a top wing for a top big in this league. Love the player but Jaylen should have more value.

[Larry_Russell]

May not be possible, but I would trade J Brown for Sabonis, KAT or Scotty Barnes in a heart beat.

Damn, J Brown to Philly, Simmons to Indiana *they have interest and Sabonis to Boston..

make it happen Danny err Stevens!!

I love Sabonis but its not good business to trade a top wing for a top big in this league. Love the player but Jaylen should have more value.

I have Brown as more valuable than Sabonis, if that was the start of the deal, I want Brogdon as well for Schroder.


Brown plus salary for Siakam and OG
Brown for Jamal Murray + (if could be 100% healthy)
Brown for Dejoute Murray and KEldon Johnson +
Brown for Kat (with a follow up Timelord for a shooting guard/sf)

Thats about it for me.

[Curmudgeon]

Sabonis makes his teammates better. Brown doesn't. You can't look at statistics in a vacuum.

A guy like Sabomis isn't a critical need so long as Horford continues to play at a high level. But Horford will almost certainly be gone next year, and frankly wings are easier to replace than bigs. In fact, Brown has been blocking the development of Nesmith and Langford. He was blocking the development of Grant Williams too, but Williams became such a valuable Swiss Army knife that the coaches couldn't keep him off the floor.

I don't think you could get Sabonis for Brown at this point, especially if Jaylen continues to miss games with the bad hamstring.

[sam_I_am]

I like Sabonis on the offensive end but he is middling defensively. You can argue that JRich and Romeo can fill enough of what JB brings that you could justify trading him but I don’t think Sabonia is good enough.

If you bring back Simmons might it be worth it even though Jaylen is better because Simmons upgrades PF position more than JRich/Langford downgrades SG position?

I still say no. Brown is a proven winner who substantially raises his game in playoff unlike Simmons or Sabonis who usually wilt in playoffs.