Welcome to Boston, Kristaps Porzingis - aka KP Appreciation Thread (Traded to ATL 6/24/25)

[zoyathedestroya]

KP, on the passing of Janis Timma:

[ConstableGeneva]

Day-to-day with heel soreness.

[ConstableGeneva]

So I wished he could come back a bit early so he'll have a few games under his belt before the tough January schedule. I GOT MY WISH!

Then he's OUT for the first game in 2025 lol.

[Hal14]

Trade him. He can't be counted on. Can't stay healthy.

I'm sure it won't happen mid-season but hopefully it happens this summer.

[phincsfan]

Trade him. He can't be counted on. Can't stay healthy.

I'm sure it won't happen mid-season but hopefully it happens this summer.

If he's out again in the playoffs and they still win then yeah, see what they can get for him. If he gets going and makes it through the playoffs then it may be difficult to move him and not go for the dynasty. He may miraculously play through pain and want to get one more decent contract.

[Hal14]

Trade him. He can't be counted on. Can't stay healthy.

I'm sure it won't happen mid-season but hopefully it happens this summer.

If he's out again in the playoffs and they still win then yeah, see what they can get for him. If he gets going and makes it through the playoffs then it may be difficult to move him and not go for the dynasty. He may miraculously play through pain and want to get one more decent contract.

I mean, sure miracles can happen but I'm not counting on it.

And it's still a dynasty, even if we make some changes to the roster. The patriots had a dynasty and the only pieces that stayed the same the whole time were the HC and the QB. During the bulls 6 titles, only 2 of the 5 starters stayed the same the whole time - Jordan and Pippen.

[Parliament10]

It's sad, but according to "Sportskeeda" Porzingis had over 60 Injuries in his career.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/kristaps-porzingis-injury-history#kristaps-porzingis-injury-history-0

[shackles10]

Trade him. He can't be counted on. Can't stay healthy.

I'm sure it won't happen mid-season but hopefully it happens this summer.

I'm not against it, but who can they trade him for? Especially when he'd be seen as damaged goods. Nobody is lining up to help us and we've got strict cap restrictions to deal with as well. His health is a big concern, but might be better than the gamble that whatever package is out there isn't a concern also or quickly negative value itself.

[Hal14]

Trade him. He can't be counted on. Can't stay healthy.

I'm sure it won't happen mid-season but hopefully it happens this summer.

I'm not against it, but who can they trade him for? Especially when he'd be seen as damaged goods. Nobody is lining up to help us and we've got strict cap restrictions to deal with as well. His health is a big concern, but might be better than the gamble that whatever package is out there isn't a concern also or quickly negative value itself.

Kemba was damaged goods too. So was Time Lord, Brogdon, Gallinari, Hayward, etc. We managed to get value for them as well Even if it was just a large TPE (Hayward).

Ben Simmons was damaged goods and got traded for a very good player (Harden).

It's obviously trickier now, since we can't aggregate salaries. Like how we traded Rob + brogdon for Jrue. And we also aggregated salaries together when we packaged up Gallinari to get KP. But the Kemba/Horford swap was just 1 player + a pick for another player. So something like that is a possibility. Or dumping KP for a $30 mil TPE. Or flipping KP for 2 players whose salaries combined are less than KP's salary..and possibly adding in draft capital to sweeten the deal.

[shackles10]

Trade him. He can't be counted on. Can't stay healthy.

I'm sure it won't happen mid-season but hopefully it happens this summer.

I'm not against it, but who can they trade him for? Especially when he'd be seen as damaged goods. Nobody is lining up to help us and we've got strict cap restrictions to deal with as well. His health is a big concern, but might be better than the gamble that whatever package is out there isn't a concern also or quickly negative value itself.

Kemba was damaged goods too. So was Time Lord, Brogdon, Gallinari, Hayward, etc. We managed to get value for them as well Even if it was just a large TPE (Hayward).

Ben Simmons was damaged goods and got traded for a very good player (Harden).

It's obviously trickier now, since we can't aggregate salaries. Like how we traded Rob + brogdon for Jrue. And we also aggregated salaries together when we packaged up Gallinari to get KP. But the Kemba/Horford swap was just 1 player + a pick for another player. So something like that is a possibility. Or dumping KP for a $30 mil TPE. Or flipping KP for 2 players whose salaries combined are less than KP's salary..and possibly adding in draft capital to sweeten the deal.

Cap space is so much trickier now though. We also got super lucky with Al as nobody thought it was a fleece at the time and was seen as one over the hill guy who's overpaid for another. If we take it at value at the time then is trading KP for an over the hill guy who's overpaid any better of an outcome than keeping KP and crossing our fingers on health? Even then it cost us a first to do it, and would likely cost us more now since we'd be paying premium of defending champs nobody wants to help, and the changes in cap flexibility for all teams.

Edit: Kemba didn't just go with a late first like we have to offer he was traded with the 16th pick so barely outside of the lotto. Not the 1st pick sure, but we know it's not exactly easy to move from the 28th pick to the 16th without adding value which we can't really do currently because no aggregating salary option and no other good picks to add either.

[phincsfan]

Trade him. He can't be counted on. Can't stay healthy.

I'm sure it won't happen mid-season but hopefully it happens this summer.

I'm not against it, but who can they trade him for? Especially when he'd be seen as damaged goods. Nobody is lining up to help us and we've got strict cap restrictions to deal with as well. His health is a big concern, but might be better than the gamble that whatever package is out there isn't a concern also or quickly negative value itself.

Maybe a team has a multi year contract that they'd like to get out of for a 1 year rental

A guy who I think would be all in on a chance at a ring is DeRozan. After this year he has two years left at 25mil and 26mil. He's a freak when it comes to durability also.

DeRozan (The Kings would be interesting because they have Fox up after next season, so moving off of DeRozan would free up a lot of space for that).

Next season our cost would go down because DeRozan's contract is 5mil less than KP's, but we'd have him for an extra year. He may make Jrue a guy that can be moved which would help the cap the following year plus it gets out of Jrue's player option in 27/28.

Saving that 5mil can bring back Al also. Everybody else is locked up for the window.

Al-JT-DeRozan-JB-White

Neems-Anton-Sam-PP-Jrue

Drew-Rico-Walsh-drafted players

[shackles10]

Trade him. He can't be counted on. Can't stay healthy.

I'm sure it won't happen mid-season but hopefully it happens this summer.

I'm not against it, but who can they trade him for? Especially when he'd be seen as damaged goods. Nobody is lining up to help us and we've got strict cap restrictions to deal with as well. His health is a big concern, but might be better than the gamble that whatever package is out there isn't a concern also or quickly negative value itself.

Maybe a team has a multi year contract that they'd like to get out of for a 1 year rental

A guy who I think would be all in on a chance at a ring is DeRozan. After this year he has two years left at 25mil and 26mil. He's a freak when it comes to durability also.

DeRozan (The Kings would be interesting because they have Fox up after next season, so moving off of DeRozan would free up a lot of space for that).

Next season our cost would go down because DeRozan's contract is 5mil less than KP's, but we'd have him for an extra year. He may make Jrue a guy that can be moved which would help the cap the following year plus it gets out of Jrue's player option in 27/28.

Saving that 5mil can bring back Al also. Everybody else is locked up for the window.

Al-JT-DeRozan-JB-White

Neems-Anton-Sam-PP-Jrue

Far from a cap expert anymore, but can Kings even make this trade being in the 1st apron? I believe so, but they'd be hard capped then too.

[phincsfan]

I'm not against it, but who can they trade him for? Especially when he'd be seen as damaged goods. Nobody is lining up to help us and we've got strict cap restrictions to deal with as well. His health is a big concern, but might be better than the gamble that whatever package is out there isn't a concern also or quickly negative value itself.

Maybe a team has a multi year contract that they'd like to get out of for a 1 year rental

A guy who I think would be all in on a chance at a ring is DeRozan. After this year he has two years left at 25mil and 26mil. He's a freak when it comes to durability also.

DeRozan (The Kings would be interesting because they have Fox up after next season, so moving off of DeRozan would free up a lot of space for that).

Next season our cost would go down because DeRozan's contract is 5mil less than KP's, but we'd have him for an extra year. He may make Jrue a guy that can be moved which would help the cap the following year plus it gets out of Jrue's player option in 27/28.

Saving that 5mil can bring back Al also. Everybody else is locked up for the window.

Al-JT-DeRozan-JB-White

Neems-Anton-Sam-PP-Jrue

Far from a cap expert anymore, but can Kings even make this trade being in the 1st apron? I believe so, but they'd be hard capped then too.

It would be after the season and I'm pretty sure the cap is increasing. They're at 160mil next year so swapping DeRozan for KP would be a no brainer for them because they free up money for Fox in 26/27. I could be way off though. I even think they can do it this year. It checks out on trade checker for this year. I did it during the season.

[Hal14]

Trade him. He can't be counted on. Can't stay healthy.

I'm sure it won't happen mid-season but hopefully it happens this summer.

I'm not against it, but who can they trade him for? Especially when he'd be seen as damaged goods. Nobody is lining up to help us and we've got strict cap restrictions to deal with as well. His health is a big concern, but might be better than the gamble that whatever package is out there isn't a concern also or quickly negative value itself.

Maybe a team has a multi year contract that they'd like to get out of for a 1 year rental

A guy who I think would be all in on a chance at a ring is DeRozan. After this year he has two years left at 25mil and 26mil. He's a freak when it comes to durability also.

DeRozan (The Kings would be interesting because they have Fox up after next season, so moving off of DeRozan would free up a lot of space for that).

Next season our cost would go down because DeRozan's contract is 5mil less than KP's, but we'd have him for an extra year. He may make Jrue a guy that can be moved which would help the cap the following year plus it gets out of Jrue's player option in 27/28.

Saving that 5mil can bring back Al also. Everybody else is locked up for the window.

Al-JT-DeRozan-JB-White

Neems-Anton-Sam-PP-Jrue

Drew-Rico-Walsh-drafted players

I don't think Derozan is a good fit here. There's only 1 basketball. And Derozan (to be effective) needs the ball a lot. We already have Tatum and Brown. Any other wings we have who are getting big mins need to either be a really good defender and/or a really good 3 pt shooter. Derozan is neither.

A couple of names to throw out there as possible targets in a KP trade or perhaps Claxton or Beef Stew. Perhaps WCJ but I don't see Orlando sending him to us..

None are as good as KP. But you don't necessarily do it to get a better player..you do it to get a good player(s) who you can actually count on - who can actually stay healthy and can actually play. As well as perhaps some cap relief and/or a TPE and /or draft capital..

[djFan71]

I'm not against it, but who can they trade him for? Especially when he'd be seen as damaged goods. Nobody is lining up to help us and we've got strict cap restrictions to deal with as well. His health is a big concern, but might be better than the gamble that whatever package is out there isn't a concern also or quickly negative value itself.

Maybe a team has a multi year contract that they'd like to get out of for a 1 year rental

A guy who I think would be all in on a chance at a ring is DeRozan. After this year he has two years left at 25mil and 26mil. He's a freak when it comes to durability also.

DeRozan (The Kings would be interesting because they have Fox up after next season, so moving off of DeRozan would free up a lot of space for that).

Next season our cost would go down because DeRozan's contract is 5mil less than KP's, but we'd have him for an extra year. He may make Jrue a guy that can be moved which would help the cap the following year plus it gets out of Jrue's player option in 27/28.

Saving that 5mil can bring back Al also. Everybody else is locked up for the window.

Al-JT-DeRozan-JB-White

Neems-Anton-Sam-PP-Jrue

Drew-Rico-Walsh-drafted players

I don't think Derozan is a good fit here. There's only 1 basketball. And Derozan (to be effective) needs the ball a lot. We already have Tatum and Brown. Any other wings we have who are getting big mins need to either be a really good defender and/or a really good 3 pt shooter. Derozan is neither.

A couple of names to throw out there as possible targets in a KP trade or perhaps Claxton or Beef Stew. Perhaps WCJ but I don't see Orlando sending him to us..

None are as good as KP. But you don't necessarily do it to get a better player..you do it to egt a good player who you can actually count on - who can actually stay healthy and can actually play. Or you just get a TPE, like we did when we traded Hayward..

I don't wanna trade KP and agree it's not happening this year - unless they know he's truly out (which of course would make trades harder). But... a couple cheaper targets are guys like Bruce Brown, maybe Harrison Barnes.

Side note - it would be insane to see KP and Wemby double big, lol. Shak would explode.

[shackles10]

Beef Stew and WCJ have KP like availability the last 2 years. Claxton has been relatively healthy, but can't shoot for anything so IDK if Joe would even play the guy. It's really hard to find a deal that makes sense more than just rolling the dice is kinda where I'm at.

[phincsfan]

I'm not against it, but who can they trade him for? Especially when he'd be seen as damaged goods. Nobody is lining up to help us and we've got strict cap restrictions to deal with as well. His health is a big concern, but might be better than the gamble that whatever package is out there isn't a concern also or quickly negative value itself.

Maybe a team has a multi year contract that they'd like to get out of for a 1 year rental

A guy who I think would be all in on a chance at a ring is DeRozan. After this year he has two years left at 25mil and 26mil. He's a freak when it comes to durability also.

DeRozan (The Kings would be interesting because they have Fox up after next season, so moving off of DeRozan would free up a lot of space for that).

Next season our cost would go down because DeRozan's contract is 5mil less than KP's, but we'd have him for an extra year. He may make Jrue a guy that can be moved which would help the cap the following year plus it gets out of Jrue's player option in 27/28.

Saving that 5mil can bring back Al also. Everybody else is locked up for the window.

Al-JT-DeRozan-JB-White

Neems-Anton-Sam-PP-Jrue

Drew-Rico-Walsh-drafted players

I don't think Derozan is a good fit here. There's only 1 basketball. And Derozan (to be effective) needs the ball a lot. We already have Tatum and Brown. Any other wings we have who are getting big mins need to either be a really good defender and/or a really good 3 pt shooter. Derozan is neither.

A couple of names to throw out there as possible targets in a KP trade or perhaps Claxton or Beef Stew. Perhaps WCJ but I don't see Orlando sending him to us..

None are as good as KP. But you don't necessarily do it to get a better player..you do it to get a good player(s) who you can actually count on - who can actually stay healthy and can actually play. As well as perhaps some cap relief and/or a TPE and /or draft capital..

If the C’s won it this year and we’re going for the dynasty label I think DeRozan would be a prime candidate for chasing a ring. He’d be Blake but can actually play 65+ games and contribute as a starter. Yes he’s a high usage guy but he had to be that way because of the rosters he was on. He’s one guy I never heard bad stuff about as a teammate. This is the typical pipe dream but hear me out. Swapping him for KP does two things: 1) he’ll play 65+ games + playoffs 2) decrease next years cost by 5mil. That 5mil goes to Al. He’s a Compton kid who’d be playing with fellow Compton kid Jrue.

[Hal14]

Beef Stew and WCJ have KP like availability the last 2 years. Claxton has been relatively healthy, but can't shoot for anything so IDK if Joe would even play the guy. It's really hard to find a deal that makes sense more than just rolling the dice is kinda where I'm at.

Claxton was in DPOY conversations a couple years ago, when he was only 23 years old. Now he's 25, just starting to hit his prime. I think Joe would play him. Joe has played Time Lord, Queta and Kornet who don't shoot 3's.

As long as we have enough shooting on the floor, we're fine - you don't need all 5 guys on the floor to be a shooter.

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Also, Beef Stew has played in 29 out of Detroit's 33 games this season. I wouldn't put him in the same conversation as KP in terms of being injury prone. Plus Beef Stew is like 7 years younger. That's the other thing that worries me about KP's injuries - they're likely just gonna keep getting worse since he's just about 30 years old - 7 years older than Beef Stew and 5 years older than WCJ.

With younger guys, it's easier to come back from injury..

[Smart2Nesmith43]

Those guys can make a free throw though. Claxton is a 34% (not a typo) career free throw shooter in the playoffs. He is unplayable in the post season so he has no value for the current Celtics. Good for him for getting paid by some mediocre franchise that doesn't have to worry about that.

[Jellybeans]

LOL this thread