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Re: Welcome to Boston, Payton Pritchard! 

Post#1061 » by Fierce1 » Sat Nov 30, 2024 2:00 pm

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Parasite wrote:What are the odds Pritchard takes over for Jrue after this season and we trade Holiday to save money? That would be crazy to start for a team for two years, win titles both years, then get traded due to tax/cap reasons. Just spitballing here.


Nope. The new Owner(s) hopefully won't mess with what Wyc and Brad have built here.

Jrue is a glue guy, one of the most valuable players we had in last year's playoff and finals run.

We can carry him right now with his current struggles due to our depth, but his experience and poise will be needed again come playoff time.

We don't want to run the risk of sabotaging a potential dynasty in order to save some money under the Tax Apron. That's what Denver did and now paying the price.

It's a different case.

If the Cs keep the current roster intact at the end of next season, 2025-26, the payroll would reach 500m+ and half of that is luxury tax.

Not sure any owner can afford that.
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Post#1062 » by FlatearthZorro » Sat Nov 30, 2024 3:11 pm

Parasite wrote:What are the odds Pritchard takes over for Jrue after this season and we trade Holiday to save money? That would be crazy to start for a team for two years, win titles both years, then get traded due to tax/cap reasons. Just spitballing here.


This is absolutely in the play. I think it's the most obvious choice. Jrue is awesome, but he makes 30 mils and hes gonna be 35 next year. You trade him to the west and get a rotation player and a pick back plus the salary dump, cause tax will be crazy.
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Post#1063 » by phincsfan » Sat Nov 30, 2024 3:55 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
doogie_hauser wrote:
Parasite wrote:What are the odds Pritchard takes over for Jrue after this season and we trade Holiday to save money? That would be crazy to start for a team for two years, win titles both years, then get traded due to tax/cap reasons. Just spitballing here.


Nope. The new Owner(s) hopefully won't mess with what Wyc and Brad have built here.

Jrue is a glue guy, one of the most valuable players we had in last year's playoff and finals run.

We can carry him right now with his current struggles due to our depth, but his experience and poise will be needed again come playoff time.

We don't want to run the risk of sabotaging a potential dynasty in order to save some money under the Tax Apron. That's what Denver did and now paying the price.

It's a different case.

If the Cs keep the current roster intact at the end of next season, 2025-26, the payroll would reach 500m+ and half of that is luxury tax.

Not sure any owner can afford that.


I can't see any new ownership group breaking up the chance for a dynasty label if they win the trophy this season.
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Post#1065 » by redslastlaugh » Sat Nov 30, 2024 5:14 pm

FlatearthZorro wrote:
Parasite wrote:What are the odds Pritchard takes over for Jrue after this season and we trade Holiday to save money? That would be crazy to start for a team for two years, win titles both years, then get traded due to tax/cap reasons. Just spitballing here.


This is absolutely in the play. I think it's the most obvious choice. Jrue is awesome, but he makes 30 mils and hes gonna be 35 next year. You trade him to the west and get a rotation player and a pick back plus the salary dump, cause tax will be crazy.

Jrue historically is a different level of playoff player. As good as Derrick was last playoffs, Jrue was significantly better. Even with the age discrepancy, if Jrue on/off and +/- metrics are that much better again, I wouldn’t be surprised if Brad keeps Jrue and moves Derrick… if he thinks that’s the difference between even ONE more ring, he goes with Jrue… so to your question, it’s also in play that Payton steps into D. Whites role, even if the age difference makes Jrue more likely to go at this moment in the analysis… it could still be White that takes the tax fall.
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Post#1066 » by phincsfan » Sat Nov 30, 2024 7:09 pm

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PP will look at the chart and want to keep getting better :D
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Post#1067 » by phincsfan » Sat Nov 30, 2024 7:10 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:
FlatearthZorro wrote:
Parasite wrote:What are the odds Pritchard takes over for Jrue after this season and we trade Holiday to save money? That would be crazy to start for a team for two years, win titles both years, then get traded due to tax/cap reasons. Just spitballing here.


This is absolutely in the play. I think it's the most obvious choice. Jrue is awesome, but he makes 30 mils and hes gonna be 35 next year. You trade him to the west and get a rotation player and a pick back plus the salary dump, cause tax will be crazy.

Jrue historically is a different level of playoff player. As good as Derrick was last playoffs, Jrue was significantly better. Even with the age discrepancy, if Jrue on/off and +/- metrics are that much better again, I wouldn’t be surprised if Brad keeps Jrue and moves Derrick… if he thinks that’s the difference between even ONE more ring, he goes with Jrue… so to your question, it’s also in play that Payton steps into D. Whites role, even if the age difference makes Jrue more likely to go at this moment in the analysis… it could still be White that takes the tax fall.


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Post#1068 » by bucknersrevenge » Sat Nov 30, 2024 8:57 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
doogie_hauser wrote:
Parasite wrote:What are the odds Pritchard takes over for Jrue after this season and we trade Holiday to save money? That would be crazy to start for a team for two years, win titles both years, then get traded due to tax/cap reasons. Just spitballing here.


Nope. The new Owner(s) hopefully won't mess with what Wyc and Brad have built here.

Jrue is a glue guy, one of the most valuable players we had in last year's playoff and finals run.

We can carry him right now with his current struggles due to our depth, but his experience and poise will be needed again come playoff time.

We don't want to run the risk of sabotaging a potential dynasty in order to save some money under the Tax Apron. That's what Denver did and now paying the price.

It's a different case.

If the Cs keep the current roster intact at the end of next season, 2025-26, the payroll would reach 500m+ and half of that is luxury tax.

Not sure any owner can afford that.


May not be next year but at some point, the dam is gonna break. Hope I'm wrong but I have to think at SOME point, someone is gonna tell Brad that enough is enough and cuts are going to have to be made. And if I'm Brad (and thank goodness I'm not) Jrue or Jaylen are probably the first place I have to look. So far, what this season suggests is there is a scenario where Payton handles a promotion extremely well. He just strikes me as the kind of competitor who raises his game the more that is demanded of him.

I think we all realize what Jrue provides to this team, especially in his defensive versatility which is something PP couldn't replicate. I'd almost rather have to remove JB (as much as I'd hate it) in that scenario but if it HAD to be Jrue, I trust PP running with the regulars.
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Post#1069 » by FlatearthZorro » Sun Dec 1, 2024 12:30 am

redslastlaugh wrote:
FlatearthZorro wrote:
Parasite wrote:What are the odds Pritchard takes over for Jrue after this season and we trade Holiday to save money? That would be crazy to start for a team for two years, win titles both years, then get traded due to tax/cap reasons. Just spitballing here.


This is absolutely in the play. I think it's the most obvious choice. Jrue is awesome, but he makes 30 mils and hes gonna be 35 next year. You trade him to the west and get a rotation player and a pick back plus the salary dump, cause tax will be crazy.

Jrue historically is a different level of playoff player. As good as Derrick was last playoffs, Jrue was significantly better. Even with the age discrepancy, if Jrue on/off and +/- metrics are that much better again, I wouldn’t be surprised if Brad keeps Jrue and moves Derrick… if he thinks that’s the difference between even ONE more ring, he goes with Jrue… so to your question, it’s also in play that Payton steps into D. Whites role, even if the age difference makes Jrue more likely to go at this moment in the analysis… it could still be White that takes the tax fall.


Jrue is 5 years older and yes, he was our 3rd best player, maybe even 2nd in our run, but eventually you just fall off. Father time is unbeaten. White is just entering his prime. I wouldnt trade White... That would be ludicrous. KP would make more sense than White(sadly).
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PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
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Post#1070 » by ConstableGeneva » Sun Dec 1, 2024 4:06 am

Pritchard now leads bench players in points per game.

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Defense is worse when he's on the floor (118.3 ON vs. 106.2 OFF) but his impact on our offense as a microwave scorer has kept him on the floor. 27.4 minutes per game is by far a career high.
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Post#1072 » by playa-hater » Mon Dec 2, 2024 1:34 am

There is a real benefit to having PP come off the bench. Major Spark etc..But I am starting to wonder If Boston can be even better with PP as a starter. Not a knock-on Jrue and what he does, but PP is just so damn Good right now.
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Post#1073 » by ConstableGeneva » Mon Dec 2, 2024 8:55 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:Pritchard now leads bench players in points per game.

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Defense is worse when he's on the floor (118.3 ON vs. 106.2 OFF) but his impact on our offense as a microwave scorer has kept him on the floor. 27.4 minutes per game is by far a career high.

Pritchard surpassed his scoring average in each of the last two 4th quarters (19 pts vs. CHI and 17 pts vs. CLE).
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Post#1074 » by bfchs123 » Tue Dec 3, 2024 2:24 am

New hot take:

PP = new Isaiah Thomas
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Post#1075 » by ConstableGeneva » Tue Dec 3, 2024 7:44 am

via Taylor Snow:

Erik Spoelstra on the rise of Payton Pritchard:

“This is an example of not something that’s overnight. Everyone wants instant gratification. This guy’s been grinding and working year after year, and each year he’s gotten better, and then all of a sudden, he’s getting to this level where he’s in Sixth Man of the Year conversations. I think the skill set and the work ethic, that’s been there, and you just continue to get better and all of a sudden people start to notice.”

I'm surprised Brad Stevens hasn't been arrested yet. Refusing to trade him despite his repeated requests THEN signing him to his super bargain contract is highway robbery.
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Post#1076 » by jinx8402 » Tue Dec 3, 2024 2:46 pm

playa-hater wrote:There is a real benefit to having PP come off the bench. Major Spark etc..But I am starting to wonder If Boston can be even better with PP as a starter. Not a knock-on Jrue and what he does, but PP is just so damn Good right now.


Jrue is the perfect starter next to Tatum and Brown. You start getting to the law of diminishing returns if you have add another volume scorer to JT/JB/White/KP. Pritchard, this season, is perfect off the bench to supplement scoring when one of JB/JT is on the bench.
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Post#1077 » by brackdan70 » Tue Dec 3, 2024 2:49 pm

PP is ranked 24th in EPM Estimated Wins and 22nd in LEBRON. Dude is having a huge impact on winning.
.489/.431/ .875…wow. Love his effort on D even if he is a bit undersized he makes the most of what he’s got.
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Post#1078 » by Fierce1 » Tue Dec 3, 2024 3:01 pm

PP is our Ginobili.

Let him be the #2 option when he's with the 2nd unit and JT.

Time will come when he'll be playing in crunch time.

But for now, don't mess with what's working.
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Post#1079 » by playa-hater » Tue Dec 3, 2024 4:24 pm

jinx8402 wrote:
playa-hater wrote:There is a real benefit to having PP come off the bench. Major Spark etc..But I am starting to wonder If Boston can be even better with PP as a starter. Not a knock-on Jrue and what he does, but PP is just so damn Good right now.


Jrue is the perfect starter next to Tatum and Brown. You start getting to the law of diminishing returns if you have add another volume scorer to JT/JB/White/KP. Pritchard, this season, is perfect off the bench to supplement scoring when one of JB/JT is on the bench.


My mind agrees 100% with your statement. But my heart wants PP to start. For no other reasons than he deserves it. That and maybe the curiosity of what Boston can do.
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Post#1080 » by sam_I_am » Tue Dec 3, 2024 5:13 pm

bfchs123 wrote:New hot take:

PP = new Isaiah Thomas


I thought the same thing watching the game and then Drew and Scal mentioned he is the first bench player to have 4 20 pt games in a row since IT in 2015.

What an incredible development. Better defender, better rebounder, less good as a playmaker and less explosive as a finisher. Better 3 pt shooter. Has the same confidence and swagger. I didn’t see this coming but the team now has a big 7.
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