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Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1061 » by SuperDeluxe » Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:02 pm

Marley2Hendrix wrote:https://archive.md/tpxhZ#selection-2311.0-2314.0

Uh-oh - Increases in COVID‑19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States
Scientific study conducted by Harvard and Canadian researchers published in the European Journal of Epidemiology in August 2021.

At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days (Fig. 1). In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people.


As the Covid pandemic continues to defy predictions about when it will finally be ‘over,’ there is a curious phenomenon taking place across the United States and around the globe: Covid-19 case rates increasing alongside vaccination rates.

The textbook examples of this disturbing trend are the nations of Israel, the United Kingdom, and the United States. Israel is now experiencing its fourth wave, which is being accompanied by another round of ‘booster shots.’ Israel has 61.5% of all adults “fully vaccinated” (although the use of ‘booster shots’ throws the term into question.)


Notably, Israel with over 60% of their population fullyvaccinated had the highest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people in the last 7 days. The lack of a meaningful association between percentage population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases is further exemplified, for instance, by comparison of Iceland and Portugal. Both countries have over 75% of their population fully vaccinated and have more COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than countries such as Vietnam and South Africa that have around 10% of their population fully vaccinated.


“Of the top 5 counties that have the highest percentageof population fully vaccinated (99.9–84.3%), the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) identifies 4 of them as ‘High’ Transmission counties.”


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So, um Pfizer's stance on boosters:

“Although two doses of the vaccine may still offer protection against severe disease caused by the Omicron strain, it’s clear from these preliminary data that protection is improved with a third dose of our vaccine,” Pfizer’s CEO Albert Bourla said. “Ensuring as many people as possible are fully vaccinated with the first two dose series and a booster remains the best course of action to prevent the spread of COVID-19.


Seems this published study refutes that claim.

Edit - So it would seem the vaccine remains a great choice for the elderly and those with comorbidities to avoid extreme reactions to COVID. It seems questionable to believe full-scale mandates will result in stopping the spread of COVID.

Edit 2 - authors' conclusion:

In summary, even as efforts should be made to encourage populations to get vaccinated it should be done so with humility and respect. Stigmatizing populations can do moreharm than good. Importantly, other non-pharmacologicalprevention efforts (e.g., the importance of basic publichealth hygiene with regards to maintaining safe distance orhandwashing, promoting better frequent and cheaper formsof testing) needs to be renewed in order to strike the bal-ance of learning to live with COVID-19 in the same mannerwe continue to live a 100 years later with various seasonalalterations of the 1918 Influenza virus.


ahem.

The vaccines are not promising immunity. They promise that your chances of being hospitalized are going to be much lower. Here in Quebec the number of cases is going up (supposedly driven by Omicron) while the number of hospitalizations remains stable.

Do any of the studies (respectable or otherwise) posted in this thread have any insight as to what may have happened without the vaccine?
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Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1062 » by Curmudgeon » Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:11 pm

From all I've read Omicron is highly contagious but people don't get very sick from it.
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Post#1063 » by Fencer reregistered » Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:09 am

My respect for Stockton just plummeted.

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Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1064 » by exculpatory » Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:43 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:My respect for Stockton just plummeted.

Read on Twitter


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Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1065 » by exculpatory » Mon Dec 13, 2021 3:52 am

This is going to turn into a Omicron cluster **** superimposed on a preexisting Delta cluster ****.
Watch what is evolving in the UK right now - it is going to happen here.
ICUs across the entire country will potentially be overwhelmed.
The unvaccinated are a disgrace to society.
The media & random outlier physicians spreading disinformation to these unvaccinated morons are a disgrace to society.
The original double VAX literally saved countless tens of thousands of lives - but the efficacy wanes after ~6 months, only ~30% of America has been boosted (universal boosting would make a huge difference) - and Omicron is MUCH more infectious than even Delta. Every Omicron infected person may infect as many as 4 other people.
Therefore, some of the double VAXXED elderly & the immunocompromised of any age will join the unvaccinated morons in the ICU.
There will hopefully be an Omicron booster by March-April.
I alternate between anger, profound disappointment & sadness.
This did not have to happen, & It is hard to see light at the end of the tunnel.
I want very much to be wrong, but I am sadly right. I know too much.

https://apple.news/A1L3Q6NAhTj6AMM6IdJE0bQ

Oh yeah, do not be surprised when NBA teams cannot find 5 guys to play the game & multiple outbreaks occur amongst the unmasked/unvaccinated in the packed in crowds - once Omicron becomes predominant. Check out what Delta just did to the Bulls.
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Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1066 » by Bad-Thoma » Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:09 am

exculpatory wrote:This is going to turn into a Omicron cluster **** superimposed on a preexisting Delta cluster ****.
ICUs across the entire country will potentially be overwhelmed.
The unvaccinated are a disgrace to society.
The media & random outlier physicians spreading disinformation to these morons are a disgrace to society.
The original double VAX literally saved countless tens of thousands of lives - but their efficacy wanes after 6 months & only ~30% of America has been boosted - and Omicron is MUCH more infectious than even Delta.
Therefore, some of the double VAXXED elderly & the immunocompromised of any age will join the unvaccinated morons in the ICU.
There will hopefully be an Omicron booster hopefully by March-April.
I alternate between anger, profound disappointment & sadness.
This did not have to happen, & It is hard to see light at the end of the tunnel.

https://apple.news/A1L3Q6NAhTj6AMM6IdJE0bQ


My wife and I got our pfizer boosters today, which I've seen at least one study has shown is effective against Omicron. I'm still waiting for my 5g to get better...
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Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1067 » by Ed Pinkney » Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:17 am

What is the likelihood that COVID becomes like influenza, in that over time it basically becomes endemic worldwide, the infectiousness may increase but the virulence decreases, we have seasonally updated vaccines, and it largely becomes a disease of greater risk to those in certain categories (elderly, immune compromised etc)? Anecdotally, it seems to be going that way but I don't have the statistics or research/knowledge to know if that is the actually case.
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Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1068 » by exculpatory » Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:21 am

Ed Pinkney wrote:What is the likelihood that COVID becomes like influenza, in that over time it basically becomes endemic worldwide, the infectiousness may increase but the virulence decreases, we have seasonally updated vaccines, and it largely becomes a disease of greater risk to those in certain categories (elderly, immune compromised etc)? Anecdotally, it seems to be going that way but I don't have the statistics or research/knowledge to know if that is the actually case.


At some point, that is the hope.
Many more people will need to die first & many more people will need to be vaccinated first.
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Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1069 » by BostonCouchGM » Tue Dec 14, 2021 3:56 am

Fencer reregistered wrote:My respect for Stockton just plummeted.

Read on Twitter


how dare he suggest world class athletes with next to zero risk of death or hospitalization not be forced to inject things in their bodies if they don't want. The horror!!
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Post#1070 » by BostonCouchGM » Tue Dec 14, 2021 4:00 am

exculpatory wrote:
jmr07019 wrote:
Of course the second opinion comes from someone in the same field. If you weren't so dismissive you would see that is exactly what is happening. I never advocated differently. For the zillionth time I am vaxxed and I think it's smart to get vaxxed. What I take exception with are things like

- mandates
- denying people access to essential products based on vax status
- pulling people out of there homes and putting them in a govt holding facility until the govt allows you to leave


The 45 million morons who are unvaccinated have had almost a mother **** year to get vaccinated & end this awful plague.
The harsh actions you listed currently appear to be what it is gonna take - since these irresponsible, selfish, willfully ignorant, dumb as an amoeba mother **** refuse to get it done for themselves or society at large.
Last resort tactics.


you really should have been banned months ago and are clearly unhinged. But alas, if you agree with mod's politics of whatever forum you frequent you get to do and say whatever you want online these days
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Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1071 » by Fencer reregistered » Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:31 am

BostonCouchGM wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:My respect for Stockton just plummeted.

Read on Twitter


how dare he suggest world class athletes with next to zero risk of death or hospitalization not be forced to inject things in their bodies if they don't want. The horror!!


Many of us wonder whether your incredibly stupid posts are sincere or not. When it comes to basketball, I've tended to guess that you were partially trolling, rather than being the utter ignoramus and idiot you portray yourself as.

In this thread, however, my first hunch is that you actually believe what you post.
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Post#1072 » by Scarletfire81 » Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:02 am

If you have had covid then you have natural immunity, which is constantly being ignored when they try and impose vaccine mandates.

Also literally no one knows the long the term effects of the covid vaccines, right or wrong I think this is a reason many people haven’t gotten it and they will never get it.
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Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1073 » by exculpatory » Tue Dec 14, 2021 9:41 am

BostonCouchGM wrote:
exculpatory wrote:
jmr07019 wrote:
Of course the second opinion comes from someone in the same field. If you weren't so dismissive you would see that is exactly what is happening. I never advocated differently. For the zillionth time I am vaxxed and I think it's smart to get vaxxed. What I take exception with are things like

- mandates
- denying people access to essential products based on vax status
- pulling people out of there homes and putting them in a govt holding facility until the govt allows you to leave


The 45 million morons who are unvaccinated have had almost a mother **** year to get vaccinated & end this awful plague.
The harsh actions you listed currently appear to be what it is gonna take - since these irresponsible, selfish, willfully ignorant, dumb as an amoeba mother **** refuse to get it done for themselves or society at large.
Last resort tactics.


You really should have been banned months ago and are clearly unhinged. But alas, if you agree with mod's politics of whatever forum you frequent you get to do and say whatever you want online these days


I am a dedicated physician who has devoted his life to excellence in the practice & teaching of medicine.
And who periodically provides summaries & links of the original Covid science published in the most respected journals in the world.
And I do this for the benefit of the many here who appreciate my time & effortl

Who the **** are you?
A dangerously stupid, **** moron who knows nothing - who displays his ignorance every time you post.

This is the only OT thread of its kind on this RealGM board (in the 17 years I have posted here) where the Mods declared many many months ago that “anything goes” because of its vital importance & to counter the despicable disinformation posted by our small clique of unvaccinated anti-mask irresponsible idiots.
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Post#1074 » by exculpatory » Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:07 am

Scarletfire81 wrote:If you have had covid then you have natural immunity, which is constantly being ignored when they try and impose vaccine mandates.


It has NEVER been ignored, Einstein.
You are simply massively uninformed.
Do not spout off bull **** when you know nothing.

Read:

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/961975
COVID-19 Vaccines Provide 5 Times the Protection of Natural Immunity, CDC Study Says

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/93940
Debate Is Over. COVID Vaccination Doubled Protection For The Previously Infected

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/961995
Vaccine After COVID-19 Infection Boosts Immune Response, Study Finds
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Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1075 » by Scarletfire81 » Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:28 am

exculpatory wrote:
Scarletfire81 wrote:If you have had covid then you have natural immunity, which is constantly being ignored when they try and impose vaccine mandates.


It has NEVER been ignored, Einstein.
You are simply massively uninformed.
Do not spout off bull **** when you know nothing.

Read:

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/961975
COVID-19 Vaccines Provide 5 Times the Protection of Natural Immunity, CDC Study Says

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/93940
Debate Is Over. COVID Vaccination Doubled Protection For The Previously Infected

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/961995
Vaccine After COVID-19 Infection Boosts Immune Response, Study Finds



Yes by mandating a vaccine, they are ignoring natural immunity. This is not a opinion it’s factual.

No offense but your attitude about this is awful. Good luck convincing others.
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Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1076 » by exculpatory » Tue Dec 14, 2021 10:55 am

Scarletfire81 wrote:
exculpatory wrote:
Scarletfire81 wrote:If you have had covid then you have natural immunity, which is constantly being ignored when they try and impose vaccine mandates.


It has NEVER been ignored, Einstein.
You are simply massively uninformed.
Do not spout off bull **** when you know nothing.

Read:

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/961975
COVID-19 Vaccines Provide 5 Times the Protection of Natural Immunity, CDC Study Says

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/93940
Debate Is Over. COVID Vaccination Doubled Protection For The Previously Infected

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/961995
Vaccine After COVID-19 Infection Boosts Immune Response, Study Finds



Yes by mandating a vaccine, they are ignoring natural immunity. This is not a opinion - it’s factual.

No offense but your attitude about this is awful. Good luck convincing others.


Did you actually read the 3 citations I posted.

I question your reading comprehension if u did.

VACCINATIONS MAKE A ENORMOUS DIFFERENCE in survivors of natural infection.

Mandating is a last resesort option - since tens of millions of morons have declined freely available vaccinations for a **** year - INCLUDING survivors of natural infection.
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Post#1077 » by exculpatory » Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:51 am

Fencer reregistered wrote:
BostonCouchGM wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:My respect for Stockton just plummeted.

Read on Twitter


how dare he suggest world class athletes with next to zero risk of death or hospitalization not be forced to inject things in their bodies if they don't want. The horror!!


Many of us wonder whether your incredibly stupid posts are sincere or not. When it comes to basketball, I've tended to guess that you were partially trolling, rather than being the utter ignoramus and idiot you portray yourself as.

In this thread, however, my first hunch is that you actually believe what you post.


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Re: Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants) 

Post#1078 » by exculpatory » Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:58 am

Curmudgeon wrote:From all I've read Omicron is highly contagious but people don't get very sick from it.


Curm, too early to assume that, The legitimate studies published by the end of December will tell us more,
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Post#1079 » by exculpatory » Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:58 am

Duplicate.
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Post#1080 » by exculpatory » Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:58 am

Duplicate.
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