2023 NBA Draft – Thurs, 8PM, June 22

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He’s an undersized low post center with no hops, he’s isn’t a shooter either and will get wrecked on defense. Great college player but not an NBA player. Luka Garza was more talented and he sucks in the NBA

He is 6'9 1/2, 6'10, so he isn't undersized. He doesn't have hops, but he has greet footwork and can score with either hand.

The defense is the main concern. While he isn't a shooter, he will develop a 3 point shot. Garza wasn't more talented than Timme. Garca had better numbers, but Timme has a better all around game, including being a better passer. Timme also shot 62% shooter from the field, Garza shot a respectable 55% in his college career but wasn't at Drew's level. Garza was the much better outside shooter. Agree on Garza sucking in the NBA.

A 6’9 low post center doesn’t have a shot in the NBA. He was fun to watch in college, but he’s likely going to be an excellent player overseas

The bold part describes Sengun as well. Difference is Sengun the season before getting drafted was the MVP of the Turkish league at age 18 and was throwing down 360 dunks in games and shooting a decent % from 3. Timme meanwhile was still playing in college til age 22, cause wasn't good enough to play in the NBA, did not have the type of athleticism or shooting at age 22 that Sengun had at age 18.

So yeah, Timme is a long shot. But the dude has size, he knows how to play, high IQ, high fundamentals. And after the first 40-50 guys, this draft class isn't very deep so someone will sign him as an UDFA. Probably won't make it in the NBA but you never know. No one thought guys like Max Strus, Gabe Vincent or Austin Reaves would make it either.

Some of these guys come out of nowhere to make it - often times they're guys who were older prospects too. Timme is fun to watch too, man. He plays hard, he plays the right way, he knows the game, he is skilled. Always seems like he's having fun out there - like he genuinely loves to play the game. I'm rooting for him. Even if he doesn't make it in the league, he'll have a good career playing pro ball somewhere.

[return2glory]

He is 6'9 1/2, 6'10, so he isn't undersized. He doesn't have hops, but he has greet footwork and can score with either hand.

The defense is the main concern. While he isn't a shooter, he will develop a 3 point shot. Garza wasn't more talented than Timme. Garca had better numbers, but Timme has a better all around game, including being a better passer. Timme also shot 62% shooter from the field, Garza shot a respectable 55% in his college career but wasn't at Drew's level. Garza was the much better outside shooter. Agree on Garza sucking in the NBA.

A 6’9 low post center doesn’t have a shot in the NBA. He was fun to watch in college, but he’s likely going to be an excellent player overseas

The bold part describes Sengun as well. Difference is Sengun the season before getting drafted was the MVP of the Turkish league at age 18 and was throwing down 360 dunks in games and shooting a decent % from 3. Timme meanwhile was still playing in college til age 22, cause wasn't good enough to play in the NBA, did not have the type of athleticism or shooting at age 22 that Sengun had at age 18.

So yeah, Timme is a long shot. But the dude has size, he knows how to play, high IQ, high fundamentals. And after the first 40-50 guys, this draft class isn't very deep so someone will sign him as an UDFA. Probably won't make it in the NBA but you never know. No one thought guys like Max Strus, Gabe Vincent or Austin Reaves would make it either.

Some of these guys come out of nowhere to make it - often times they're guys who were older prospects too. Timme is fun to watch too, man. He plays hard, he plays the right way, he knows the game, he is skilled. Always seems like he's having fun out there - like he genuinely loves to play the game. I'm rooting for him. Even if he doesn't make it in the league, he'll have a good career playing pro ball somewhere.

Agree with a lot of the stuff you said. Watching Austin Reaves play in college, I felt he had a shot. He had a really good all around game and had good size for a combo guard. I didn't know he would be as clutch as he has become in the NBA. He wasn't scared of the big moments. We need a few players like that here.

Drew Peterson from USC reminds me of Reaves. Not sure if he will be clutch like Reaves, but he has a good all around game just like Reaves and he is taller. He needs to put on about 10 lbs. I could consider Peterson at 35 if I were Brad.

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My updated big board:

1 Victor Wembanyama
2 Scoot Henderson
3 Brandon Miller
4 Amen Thompson
5 Ausar Thompson
6 Cam Whitmore
7 Jarace Walker
8 Taylor Hendricks
9 Anthony Black
10 Cason Wallace
11 Bilal Coulibaly
12 Brice Sensabaugh
13 Jett Howard
14 GG Jackson
15 Keyonte George
16 Dereck Lively
17 Nick Smith Jr.
18 Leonard Miller
19 Gradey Dick
20 Sidy Cissoko
21 James Nnaji
22 Mouhamed Gueye
23 Noah Clowney
24 Trayce Jackson-Davis
25 Bobi Klintman
26 Olivier-Maxence Prosper
27 Jalen Hood-Schifino
28 Kobe Bufkin
29 Colby Jones
30 Dariq Whitehead
31 Jordan Hawkins
32 Jaime Jaquez
33 Kris Murray
34 Maxwell Lewis
35 Jordan Walsh
36 Amari Bailey
37 Kobe Brown
38 Julian Strawther
39 Jordan Miller
40 Rayan Rupert
41 Brandin Podziemski
42 Tristan Vukcevic
43 Nikos Rogkavopoulos
44 Vincent Valerio-Bodon
45 Adama Sanogo

[return2glory]

At 35, I'm looking at (in no order):

PF or C:

1. TJD ( if he is there)
2. Adama Sanogo-
3. Tristan Vukcevic
4. Mouhamed Gueye
5. Oscar Tshiebwe - Probably the best rebounder coming out of college in the last 20-30 years.
6. Tosan Evbuomwan- he reminds me of Slow Mo

SG and SF

1. Brandin Podziemski (if he is there)
2. Jaime Jaquez Jr. (if he is there)-
3. Jordan Miller (if he is there)
4. Ben Sheppard
5. Drew Peterson
6. Andre Jackson Jr.
7. Colby Jones
8. Olivier-Maxence Prosper (low BBIQ guy almost wants me to take him of this list but he brings some swag).

My top 5 from this list at the moment from the above in no particular order:

1. TJD
2. Adam Sanogo
3. Brandin Podziemski
4. Jaime Jaquez Jr.
5. Jordan Miller

[Patsfan1081]

It shouldnt be too hard to get in the 20’s, seems like a deep draft for 4/5, maybe too developmental for Boston at this stage but you need to address at some time. Murray, GG, OMP, Clowney, Lively, ect…. I want to see Brad hit on a prospect.

[Kalela]

One other note on Mo Gueye. Not only is he just 20 yrs old still, but he didn't even start playing organized basketball till he was 16. So we're basically getting a 18/19 yr old dude - who was one of the top bigs in college basketball - was the best player on his team, the #1 option on a good college team that made the NIT tournament - who's 6'11", an impressive skill set, good versatility on both ends of the floor and good mobility.

Get him in here, let him learn from Al and Rob - go against them in practice. 2 years from now, he'll be a BEAST.

With the lack of bigs in this draft, he may be the best option available where the Celtics draft. That is if the Celtics want a big. I think Celtic's policy is to always draft the best player available and not to draft for need. He is one for the future though. A long-term project. Won't be contributing much immediately.

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[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Vecenie's pre combine Mock had everyone's favorite Bobi Klintman at 35. I'm in: "The 20-year-old Klintman is a still-developing prospect. As you just read, he knows that. He doesn’t have the kind of body of work most NBA prospects do at this stage for a potential top-40 pick. He averaged five points and four rebounds per game over the entirety of last season. But most players don’t possess the tools Klintman does. At 6-foot-10, he has legitimate guard skills. He can grab and go on the break and lead the offense. His feel for the game is outstanding. At youth levels in Sweden, including in last summer’s U20 European Championships, he showcased high-level passing ability, averaging 5.1 assists per game. He hit 36 percent of his 3s in his freshman season at Wake. The idea of Klintman is everything NBA teams are looking for in a future-facing prospect.

https://theathletic.com/4382121/2023/04/06/bobi-klintman-nba-draft/

Cr: Chilidawg

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

BOBI FEVER catch it...

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Givony's latest ESPN Mock:
31 Jacquez jr.
32 Jackson jr.
33 Jackson II
34 Phillips
35 Vukcevic
36 Sheppard
37 Saser
38 TJD
39 Walsh
40 Cissoko

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/37757403/2023-nba-mock-draft-post-combine-pro-day-impacts-draft-class

Tankathon:
31TJD
32 Jaquez Jr.
33 Cissoko
34 Jackson Jr.
35 Sasser
36 OM Prosper
37 Klintman
38 Jalen Wilson
39 T Smith
40 Strawther

Cr: SOSH

[Shak_Celts]

the world should be Mogueye, I think Cs need to snag him if we can!

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Hmm, I might have to look into this guy some more..

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[djFan71]

Any love for Julian Phillips? 6'7, 6'11" wingspan. Good defender, cutter, passer, rebounder. But.... wait for it.... needs to improve shooting. He did shoot 82% from FT line though.

In that weird range where he's not quite worth 35, but also probably isn't gonna last to UDFA.

If we somehow make a trade with the Blazers and get 43...

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Intriguing guy as an UDFA..

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6'5" / 6'6" wing. Explosive, strong, tough. Was defensive player of the year 2 yrs ago in his conference.

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Updated list of guys we have worked out for the draft:

Trayce Jackson-Davis - PF/C - Indiana
Jordan Walsh - W/F - Arkansas
Andre Jackson Jr - G/W - UConn
Vincent Valerio-Bodon - F - Sopron KC (Hungary)
Jalen Slawson - F/C - Furman
Tosan Evbuomwan - F - Princeton
Leaky Black - F - UNC
Drew Peterson - F - USC
Justin Powell - W - Washington State
Landers Nolley II - F - Cincinnati
Jazian Gortman - G - OTE
Chris Livingston - W - Kentucky
Jake Stephens - C - Chattanooga
Alex Fudge - W/F - Florida
Oscar Tshiebwe - C - Kentucky
Taevion Kinsey - W - Marshall
Kao Akobundu-Ehiogu - C - Memphis
Taylor Funk - F - Utah State
Craig Porter Jr - G - Wichita State
Patrick Gardner - C - Marist
Justyn Mutts - F - Virginia Tech
Demarcus Demonia - Wing - Texas A&M-Commerce
Enrique Freeman - Wing - Akron
RayJ Dennis - PG - Toledo
Isaiah Miranda - Stretch Big - NC State (withdrew from the draft)
Dillon Jones - G/W - Weber State (withdrew from the draft)
Terrence Shannon Jr - G/W - Illinois (withdrew from the draft)
Coleman Hawkins - F - Illinois (withdrew from the draft)
Jamal Shead - PG - Houston (withdrew from draft)
Mike Sharavjamts - W/F - Dayton (withdrew from draft)
Branden Carlson - C - Utah (withdrew from draft)
Clifford Omoruyi - C - Rutgers (withdrew from draft)
Norchad Omier - F - Miami (withdrew from draft)
Jaylen Forbes - G - Tulane (withdrew from draft)
Alijah Martin - PG - Florida Atlantic (withdrew from draft)

The big addition to the list is TJD. Definitely a guy who could be a very good pick at 35..

Only the first 3 or 4 names on this list are guys I could see as possible picks at 35. The rest are potential UDFA or guys we just invite to play on our summer league and/or g league team.

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Hmm, I might have to look into this guy some more..

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I'd prefer this guy...like a poor man's Walker Kessler.

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[return2glory]

Hmm, I might have to look into this guy some more..

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I'd prefer this guy...like a poor man's Walker Kessler.

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I like Colin Castleton. He is an underrated player. Has decent post moves with jump hooks with either hand. He also has good footwork and is a shot blocker. He can hit jumpers from the FT line extended. The one thing that I didn't like too much is he FG%. He shot only 50% from the field, down about 10% from 2 seasons ago.

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My take? There's a lot to like about Kobe Brown as a potential pick for us. I wouldn't hate it at all if we took him.

With that being said, the combination of age (23 now, turns 24 in January) + weight (he weighed in at 252 lbs at the combine, which is very high for a guy who's 6'7.5") is concerning.

You'd rather not take a guy where you have to worry about their weight and have to ask yourself, "well, he could be really good IF he can stay in shape, or IF he can slim down and drop 10-15 lbs".

In the NBA, the players are faster, the game moves quicker, there's more space on the floor to cover. You really need to be in tip top shape. You look around the NBA, typically the only guys who are 252 lbs or more, they are usually at least 6'10", if not 6'11" or taller. And even most of those guys are carrying around so much weight, that it's tough for them to move quick enough laterally, move quick enough up and down the floor or be able to stay in the game for more than a few mins without getting winded.

And as far as age, it's definitely a factor with guys like Kobe Brown and TJD. When you watch their film from this past season, you have to factor it in that they are 23 years old, going against a lot of 18-20 year old guys - and the older guys they're going against aren't *that* good, because if they were, they'd be in the NBA by now. Plus, the younger prospects have more development still ahead of them, so more untapped upside.

With that being said, if we take Kobe Brown at 35 and he can stay in shape, he could turn out to be a STEAL.

So yeah, there's pros and cons to him. I think that when we're on the clock, there will probably be a couple other guys still on the board I have a little higher than Kobe Brown. But again, if we do take him, it wouldn't be a bad pick.

[BK_2020]

We need a big who can protect the rim and finish easy ones inside.
We need Wembanyama.

[ThePigeon]

Good stuff here:

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My take? There's a lot to like about Kobe Brown as a potential pick for us. I wouldn't hate it at all if we took him.

With that being said, the combination of age (23 now, turns 24 in January) + weight (he weighed in at 252 lbs at the combine, which is very high for a guy who's 6'7.5") is concerning.

You'd rather not take a guy where you have to worry about their weight and have to ask yourself, "well, he could be really good IF he can stay in shape, or IF he can slim down and drop 10-15 lbs".

In the NBA, the players are faster, the game moves quicker, there's more space on the floor to cover. You really need to be in tip top shape. You look around the NBA, typically the only guys who are 252 lbs or more, they are usually at least 6'10", if not 6'11" or taller. And even most of those guys are carrying around so much weight, that it's tough for them to move quick enough laterally, move quick enough up and down the floor or be able to stay in the game for more than a few mins without getting winded.

And as far as age, it's definitely a factor with guys like Kobe Brown and TJD. When you watch their film from this past season, you have to factor it in that they are 23 years old, going against a lot of 18-20 year old guys - and the older guys they're going against aren't *that* good, because if they were, they'd be in the NBA by now. Plus, the younger prospects have more development still ahead of them, so more untapped upside.

With that being said, if we take Kobe Brown at 35 and he can stay in shape, he could turn out to be a STEAL.

So yeah, there's pros and cons to him. I think that when we're on the clock, there will probably be a couple other guys still on the board I have a little higher than Kobe Brown. But again, if we do take him, it wouldn't be a bad pick.

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