2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (Wow this is fun!)

[redslastlaugh]

Now that Durant is traded and now that, in 3 hours, the Finals will be over. I am super excited to see what moves the Celtics make this week.

I think Brad Stevens has done well as POBO. At the moment Brad took over the front office, things looked somewhat bleak: Kemba Walker looked cooked, the Tristan Thompson/Evan Fournier acquisitions didn't work out and basketball fans were asking, "Do the Celtics need to break up the Jays"...

But looking back on it, Brad inherited a pretty good situation. Jayson and Jaylen were approaching their primes. The roster had Marcus Smart, Robert Williams, Grant Williams, Aaron Nesmith and Payton Prichard who Danny had drafted. And we had all of our future picks and cap/financial flexibility. Brad used the young players and picks to add vets Horford, White, Holiday and Porzingis. And that panned out with a 2024 title.

But now this is a much more complicated moment. We have many fewer young prospects on the roster, fewer future picks available and saddled with a couple of really expensive veteran players, and we have new owners including institutional stakeholders that have their own financial objectives.

Summer 2025 is a way more challenging and way more open-ended as to how Brad may proceed. This is the offseason that Brad Stevens will make his rep as a front office executive, imo. I'm pretty excited to see what they;ve been working on the last month. letsgo

[djFan71]

It’s certainly an option if they need it but it probably only makes even limited sense if they’re ok being in the tax next year. If they’re not, they’re better off taking their lumps now in a year Tatum is out because otherwise they have to take them next year.

This idea has been around, but we haven't really mentioned it here, afaik. Cs have a fallback, last resort type option to get under the 2nd apron. Waive & stretch KP and send Hauser to TPE for a 2nd or 2. If you do that, you can keep Jrue, sign 28 & 32 and give Kornet $5.5M and still be under the 2nd apron.

The downsides are you get no value for KP and his cap hit is on the books for 2 extra seasons. But, it does give you some leverage in that you don't HAVE to trade Jrue. So, you can stick to deals that bring value back instead of paying to "dump" a really good friggin player.

My guess is we still trade Jrue, but get back more than people expect. But having this option makes it a little easier for Brad to hold the line.

About 10-12 pages ago I posted what Bobby Marks said about KP. Waive and stretch is an option, but he didn't like it. He also said KP's trade value is currently low. And finally he specifically commented how bad the center market is. If the Celtics got to regain the TPE they can use it for...(hold onto your chair)....Clint Capela or Larry Nance.
The only way that the Celtics should consider giving KP away, is if they need to , to get under the 2nd apron because nothing else worked out. And that doesn't erase the fact that you got no return except Larry Nance.
A couple of dates to remember. August 27th - the first FIBA game KP can play for Latvia and a peek at how his ailment is. August 29th - the waive and stretch deadline. A lot is on the line. Many fans may want KP out, but the reality of doing it is not as cathartic as they think, if there is no return.

OK, cool, I thought someone had said it. Then i listened to the Marks thing last night, so brought it up again.

Yeah, it's obviously a very last option type thing. But you it's nice to know you do have it. If all you're getting are bad Jrue offers where teams expect a pick you weight that against a KP stretch and have the power to say no more strongly than if you didn't. I feel like we'll get better offers for Jrue than what's been floating around, so it's not gonna come to stretching KP. But, it strengthens your hand a touch.

[Celts17Pride]

No rush in trading KP because the Cs have until trade deadline to move him.

If KP's healthy, he will help JB, White, and PP lead the Celtics to 45-50 wins.

Who knows, if KP plays well, Cs might not trade him at all.

I think the wisest move is signing KP to a cheaper extension next year

[hugepatsfan]

Man with that Hali injury, even without Tatum the Celtics might be the 2nd or 3rd best team in the East behind NYK/ORL right now. We’ll see what else happens this offseason but it’s definitely something they need to weigh.

[Shak_Celts]

Can beal sign for vet min if waived? How is it if he goes to lakers and stays healthy?

[Hal14]

Man with that Hali injury, even without Tatum the Celtics might be the 2nd or 3rd best team in the East behind NYK/ORL right now. We’ll see what else happens this offseason but it’s definitely something they need to weigh.

They need to run their own race and not make moves based on other team's rosters/injuries imo.

[playa-hater]

Jrue to Indiana.. They will need a point guard..bring Nesmith back..

[hugepatsfan]

Man with that Hali injury, even without Tatum the Celtics might be the 2nd or 3rd best team in the East behind NYK/ORL right now. We’ll see what else happens this offseason but it’s definitely something they need to weigh.

They need to run their own race and not make moves based on other team's rosters/injuries imo.

I think so too. But it does have to factor into the calculus to some degree since a lot of “how much ownership is willing to pay” for a team depends on how much playoff revenue a team is capable of making. It’s possible that a weakened east makes ownership feel strong enough in making a realistic run that instead of ducking the tax altogether to reset repeater rates, it’s ok to just ducking 2nd apron to avoid the basketball penalties.

[Fierce1]

No rush in trading KP because the Cs have until trade deadline to move him.

If KP's healthy, he will help JB, White, and PP lead the Celtics to 45-50 wins.

Who knows, if KP plays well, Cs might not trade him at all.

I think the wisest move is signing KP to a cheaper extension next year

100%.

I'm a believer in KP.

[Fierce1]

Can beal sign for vet min if waived? How is it if he goes to lakers and stays healthy?

Cross that bridge scenario.

[playa-hater]

Why the hell did Toronto get rid of Pascal, Siakam and OG Adonoby??

[Hal14]

Jrue to Indiana.. They will need a point guard..bring Nesmith back..

They still have Nembhard and McConnell at PG..

[31to6]

Man with that Hali injury, even without Tatum the Celtics might be the 2nd or 3rd best team in the East behind NYK/ORL right now. We’ll see what else happens this offseason but it’s definitely something they need to weigh.

just logging in to mention CLE is still around, even if they don't have a lot of street cred right now.

[playa-hater]

Jrue to Indiana.. They will need a point guard..bring Nesmith back..

They still have Nembhard and McConnell at PG..

Nembhard is better off the ball and TJ. Is better off the bench.

Whatever i'm just throwing ideas out there.

[Fierce1]

Celtics went to the finals as the 4th seed in 2010.

Just play the right way and the Cs will get 45-50 wins next season.

If JT returns and plays well then anything's possible.

A return in March means JT will have more or less 20 games before the playoffs.

[celtxman]

It’s certainly an option if they need it but it probably only makes even limited sense if they’re ok being in the tax next year. If they’re not, they’re better off taking their lumps now in a year Tatum is out because otherwise they have to take them next year.

This idea has been around, but we haven't really mentioned it here, afaik. Cs have a fallback, last resort type option to get under the 2nd apron. Waive & stretch KP and send Hauser to TPE for a 2nd or 2. If you do that, you can keep Jrue, sign 28 & 32 and give Kornet $5.5M and still be under the 2nd apron.

The downsides are you get no value for KP and his cap hit is on the books for 2 extra seasons. But, it does give you some leverage in that you don't HAVE to trade Jrue. So, you can stick to deals that bring value back instead of paying to "dump" a really good friggin player.

My guess is we still trade Jrue, but get back more than people expect. But having this option makes it a little easier for Brad to hold the line.

About 10-12 pages ago I posted what Bobby Marks said about KP. Waive and stretch is an option, but he didn't like it. He also said KP's trade value is currently low. And finally he specifically commented how bad the center market is. If the Celtics got to regain the TPE they can use it for...(hold onto your chair)....Clint Capela or Larry Nance.
The only way that the Celtics should consider giving KP away, is if they need to , to get under the 2nd apron because nothing else worked out. And that doesn't erase the fact that you got no return except Larry Nance.
A couple of dates to remember. August 27th - the first FIBA game KP can play for Latvia and a peek at how his ailment is. August 29th - the waive and stretch deadline. A lot is on the line. Many fans may want KP out, but the reality of doing it is not as cathartic as they think, if there is no return.

OK, cool, I thought someone had said it. Then i listened to the Marks thing last night, so brought it up again.

Yeah, it's obviously a very last option type thing. But you it's nice to know you do have it. If all you're getting are bad Jrue offers where teams expect a pick you weight that against a KP stretch and have the power to say no more strongly than if you didn't. I feel like we'll get better offers for Jrue than what's been floating around, so it's not gonna come to stretching KP. But, it strengthens your hand a touch.

I've said that trading Jrue is the better option to get close to under the 2nd apron not just now but obviously the following two seasons as well. They probably need to lose Hauser as well. If they can take limited money back with Jrue and get under that 2nd apron. Remember the Celtics couldn't get of Springer's $4 million expiring contract last season. The predators smelled the blood in the water and what used to be an easy trade early in the season.
We need to get away from the loan sharks who want to "solve" our money problems. KP today is not worth much. Don't trade him now unless there are real assets involved that Brad miraculously works out.

[Celts17Pride]

Why the hell did Toronto get rid of Pascal, Siakam and OG Adonoby??

For a chance at KD

[brackdan70]

Let’s say KP plays 60 games at 18/6r/1.8b
Similar to his career efficiency and as usual solid in impact metrics. What would/ could the Celtics sign him for in free agency. Could they get him for 2/50?
Or is he getting over 30/year again?

[Fierce1]

Let’s say KP plays 60 games at 18/6r/1.8b
Similar to his career efficiency and as usual solid in impact metrics. What would/ could the Celtics sign him for in free agency. Could they get him for 2/50?
Or is he getting over 30/year again?

Cross that bridge when we get there.

He has to do it first.

I mean 60 games and all that stuff.

[fallguy]

Let’s say KP plays 60 games at 18/6r/1.8b
Similar to his career efficiency and as usual solid in impact metrics. What would/ could the Celtics sign him for in free agency. Could they get him for 2/50?
Or is he getting over 30/year again?

If we resign him, I hope it's to trade him. I love him but he will never be reliable in the spring.