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Re: Robert Williams, aka "Timelord" 

Post#1081 » by shi-woo » Mon Jan 9, 2023 5:22 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:Some things Timelord has added to the team since he came back (eye test only, no stats to back this up):
• cleaner defensive rebounding
• second chance opportunities
• bail-out option as a dumpoff guy/lob threat
• drives deterrent/rim protection
• screen-setting
• another quick ball-mover
• energy/hustle plays
• coolness factor
• relieves pressure/minutes off Horford
• well, he's better than Kornet/Griffin/Vonleh combined


This to me has always been the main stand out when watching Rob play since his first game. He is such a good passer, and the ball never sticks in his hands. He makes quick decisions, and that has always been the Achilles heel of this team. Glad to have another guy out there looking to make the extra pass
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Re: Robert Williams, aka "Timelord" 

Post#1082 » by Hal14 » Mon Jan 9, 2023 5:28 pm

bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:You simply can't depend on Timelord.

He's in a class (though at a lower level) with AD and Zion, who make a great deal of difference on the court
but are physically fragile and miss chunks of games.

“My teammates wanted me to dunk but my knee buckled a little bit,” Williams told reporters, per NBC Sports postgame coverage.
https://nesn.com/2023/01/celtics-robert-williams-really-surprised-he-got-chance-for-highlight-reel-block/

For his own and the team's good, the Celtics need to injury/load manage him the rest of the season, to somehow try to keep him healthy for the playoffs.

But he can never stay healthy.

So, as many have suggested, the Celtics need to acquire another big. Toss in Horford's decline and it's a sizeable priority,
if you want to win a Championship.

Yeah and he missed the game before this one for "knee injury management"

Hopefully this puts to rest all the people calling for him to start.
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Post#1083 » by celticfan42487 » Mon Jan 9, 2023 5:43 pm

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I think that more says that age has caught up with 36 year old Al Horford and Stevens found 0.0% quality backup Centers in the offseason in what Kornet brings than Rob being an exceptional offensive player.

More and more it really does look like if we can even trade for a halfway decent Center. Even an Andre Drummond type backup it could be critical for us offensively and defensively.
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Post#1084 » by celticfan42487 » Mon Jan 9, 2023 5:50 pm

bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:You simply can't depend on Timelord.

He's in a class (though at a lower level) with AD and Zion, who make a great deal of difference on the court
but are physically fragile and miss chunks of games.

“My teammates wanted me to dunk but my knee buckled a little bit,” Williams told reporters, per NBC Sports postgame coverage.
https://nesn.com/2023/01/celtics-robert-williams-really-surprised-he-got-chance-for-highlight-reel-block/

For his own and the team's good, the Celtics need to injury/load manage him the rest of the season, to somehow try to keep him healthy for the playoffs.

But he can never stay healthy.

So, as many have suggested, the Celtics need to acquire another big. Toss in Horford's decline and it's a sizeable priority,
if you want to win a Championship.


I wonder if there's anyway the Hawks would blow it up and we could trade for Clint Capela.

He'd be a very solid reliable piece to provide rebounding and a lob threat. Not so much FT shooting but I suppose we can go small if we have to in the final 2 minutes.
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Post#1085 » by BK_2020 » Mon Jan 9, 2023 6:29 pm

celticfan42487 wrote:
bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:You simply can't depend on Timelord.

He's in a class (though at a lower level) with AD and Zion, who make a great deal of difference on the court
but are physically fragile and miss chunks of games.

“My teammates wanted me to dunk but my knee buckled a little bit,” Williams told reporters, per NBC Sports postgame coverage.
https://nesn.com/2023/01/celtics-robert-williams-really-surprised-he-got-chance-for-highlight-reel-block/

For his own and the team's good, the Celtics need to injury/load manage him the rest of the season, to somehow try to keep him healthy for the playoffs.

But he can never stay healthy.

So, as many have suggested, the Celtics need to acquire another big. Toss in Horford's decline and it's a sizeable priority,
if you want to win a Championship.


I wonder if there's anyway the Hawks would blow it up and we could trade for Clint Capela.

He'd be a very solid reliable piece to provide rebounding and a lob threat. Not so much FT shooting but I suppose we can go small if we have to in the final 2 minutes.

Doesn't he make like $18 mil. a year?
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Re: Robert Williams, aka "Timelord" 

Post#1086 » by celticfan42487 » Mon Jan 9, 2023 7:42 pm

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celticfan42487 wrote:
bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:You simply can't depend on Timelord.

He's in a class (though at a lower level) with AD and Zion, who make a great deal of difference on the court
but are physically fragile and miss chunks of games.

“My teammates wanted me to dunk but my knee buckled a little bit,” Williams told reporters, per NBC Sports postgame coverage.
https://nesn.com/2023/01/celtics-robert-williams-really-surprised-he-got-chance-for-highlight-reel-block/

For his own and the team's good, the Celtics need to injury/load manage him the rest of the season, to somehow try to keep him healthy for the playoffs.

But he can never stay healthy.

So, as many have suggested, the Celtics need to acquire another big. Toss in Horford's decline and it's a sizeable priority,
if you want to win a Championship.


I wonder if there's anyway the Hawks would blow it up and we could trade for Clint Capela.

He'd be a very solid reliable piece to provide rebounding and a lob threat. Not so much FT shooting but I suppose we can go small if we have to in the final 2 minutes.

Doesn't he make like $18 mil. a year?



Hmm, he does. It looks like the RealGM trade checker is broken.

According to the ESPN trade checker that seems to be working it would take Pritchard + Grant + crap to make it work salary wise which is a hit to our rotation.

Then again though with ring chasers perhaps something we can fill in for the loss of Grant if not post trade deadline def in the off season next year.
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Post#1087 » by jmr07019 » Mon Jan 9, 2023 9:12 pm

I've been frustrated with Rob's playing time but I assume the Celtics are being prudent and careful with Rob and the playing time decision is based on health and longevity not simply basketball ability. Jaylen and Jayson are getting antsy too.

Jaylen Brown - January 9th wrote:“We need Rob. Rob is amazing,” Brown told CLNS Media/CelticsBlog at shootaround on Monday. “Rob has a special ability on offense and defense, as we’ve been able to see a little bit this year, but especially last year. So the more we integrate him and use him, the better our team will be. We got off to a hot start with other guys playing a different type of ball, but I think down the line and in the playoffs, having Rob as a critical part of our offense and defense is necessary. I think that’s something we should take a look at as we get closer to the playoffs”


Jayson Tatum - January 7th wrote:“It was funny, because he got subbed out, I think it was in the fourth, seven minute mark,” Tatum said post-game. “I asked him, I’m like, ‘yo, are you still on a minute restriction,’ and he was like, ‘nah,’ and I was like, ‘alright, get your a** back in the game.’ Whether he starts or comes off the bench, I just want him on the floor, want him healthy and want to be on the floor with him at the same time as much as possible. I’m gonna start, so I would like Rob to start, but whatever’s best for the team, he’ll do that. As much as I can be on the floor with him as possible, I think, makes us better.”


Last year Rob Williams played 30 mpg. This year he's at 20 mpg. How many mpg would you like to see Rob at in the playoffs? I would love 36 mpg but think it's asking a bit too much so my target is 30 mpg. If Rob is going to play 30 mpg in the playoffs then I want him to play 30 mpg for 20 games in the regular season so that he is used to a 30 mpg workload. Rob can play 25 mpg over the next 20 games which should provide a smooth ramp up throughout the season. I would sprinkle in 5-6 rest games over the remaining 40 as well.
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Post#1088 » by 165bows » Mon Jan 9, 2023 9:25 pm

Big men just don't play much in the NBA today. Not too many bigs averaging over 30 mins a game. Tons of "solid starter" level bigs play 20-30 mpg, Valanciunas, Nurkic, Jarrett Allen, Brook Lopez, Capela, Zubac, Turner etc.
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Post#1089 » by Fencer reregistered » Mon Jan 9, 2023 11:43 pm

165bows wrote:Big men just don't play much in the NBA today. Not too many bigs averaging over 30 mins a game. Tons of "solid starter" level bigs play 20-30 mpg, Valanciunas, Nurkic, Jarrett Allen, Brook Lopez, Capela, Zubac, Turner etc.


More like 26-33 mpg -- but yeah, #2 center is a more important position than people often assume.
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Post#1090 » by 165bows » Mon Jan 9, 2023 11:52 pm

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165bows wrote:Big men just don't play much in the NBA today. Not too many bigs averaging over 30 mins a game. Tons of "solid starter" level bigs play 20-30 mpg, Valanciunas, Nurkic, Jarrett Allen, Brook Lopez, Capela, Zubac, Turner etc.


More like 26-33 mpg -- but yeah, #2 center is a more important position than people often assume.

Ok I missed Allen take him off the list.
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Post#1091 » by jmr07019 » Mon Jan 9, 2023 11:59 pm

Our top competition and their starting front court mpg

Jarret Allen 6' 11'' - 34 mpg
Mobley 7' - 31 mpg

Claxton 6' 11'' - 28 mpg
Durant 6' 10'' - 36 mpg
Simmons - 6' 10'' - 27 mpg

Giannis 7' - 34 mpg
Lopez 7' - 30 mpg

Horford 6' 9'' - 30 mpg
Tatum 6' 8'' - 36 mpg

That is a ton of size to concede over the course of a series never mind multiple series in a row. Celtics need to bench White (who has gone back to 30% from 3) for Williams if they want to win in the post season. We do not have close to enough shooting to pull off small ball and win with an offense only approach. Not for nothing ..... Rob helps the offense tremendously and we likely see no drop off by reducing White's minutes and playing Rob more.
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Post#1092 » by Fencer reregistered » Tue Jan 10, 2023 12:09 am

Minutes "management" rather than "restriction".

A chief metric is how well he recovers after each game.

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Post#1094 » by seiffert82 » Tue Jan 10, 2023 8:42 am

How **** good is Rob Williams?

The guy gets almost zero offensive plays called for him, other than the odd pick and roll. I don't expect him to be a consistent 3 point shooter (maybe he can), but if he can add a baseline jumper and a couple of mid-post moves to his repertoire he'll be a beast.

Clearly already an outstanding decision maker in defence and a top quality passer. The kid has it all.

Other than Tatum, this is a guy you can build around, much like Pierce and Garnett.

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Post#1095 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Jan 10, 2023 8:47 am

Celtics 23-3 in last 26 RS games with Rob as a starter.
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Post#1096 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:13 am

jmr07019 wrote:Our top competition and their starting front court mpg

Jarret Allen 6' 11'' - 34 mpg
Mobley 7' - 31 mpg

Claxton 6' 11'' - 28 mpg
Durant 6' 10'' - 36 mpg
Simmons - 6' 10'' - 27 mpg

Giannis 7' - 34 mpg
Lopez 7' - 30 mpg

Horford 6' 9'' - 30 mpg
Tatum 6' 8'' - 36 mpg

That is a ton of size to concede over the course of a series never mind multiple series in a row. Celtics need to bench White (who has gone back to 30% from 3) for Williams if they want to win in the post season. We do not have close to enough shooting to pull off small ball and win with an offense only approach. Not for nothing ..... Rob helps the offense tremendously and we likely see no drop off by reducing White's minutes and playing Rob more.

That's a lot of skill and shooting for the other team to concede over the course of a series. It cuts both ways.
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Post#1097 » by jmr07019 » Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:55 am

Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:
jmr07019 wrote:Our top competition and their starting front court mpg

Jarret Allen 6' 11'' - 34 mpg
Mobley 7' - 31 mpg

Claxton 6' 11'' - 28 mpg
Durant 6' 10'' - 36 mpg
Simmons - 6' 10'' - 27 mpg

Giannis 7' - 34 mpg
Lopez 7' - 30 mpg

Horford 6' 9'' - 30 mpg
Tatum 6' 8'' - 36 mpg

That is a ton of size to concede over the course of a series never mind multiple series in a row. Celtics need to bench White (who has gone back to 30% from 3) for Williams if they want to win in the post season. We do not have close to enough shooting to pull off small ball and win with an offense only approach. Not for nothing ..... Rob helps the offense tremendously and we likely see no drop off by reducing White's minutes and playing Rob more.

That's a lot of skill and shooting for the other team to concede over the course of a series. It cuts both ways.


They will concede 3’s to career 34% shooter Derrick White and do their best to not allow corner 3’s to Al and make him shoot from above the break. Derrick has really cooled off after his hot start. Down to 36% for the season and still in a slump. He shot 31% from 3 last post season. I’m not trying to crucify Derrick just wish Joe would adjust rotations.

How many minutes would you like to see Time Lord play in the playoffs? 20 mpg?
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Post#1098 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:04 am

As much as I’d want Rob to start and play 30 mpg, I defer to the medical team and coaching staff on this one. If they determine managing his minutes will optimize his chances to last deep in the postseason (which matters more), then they gotta do what they gotta do. I’m no **** doctor. I just know we already got burned and wish we had him near 100% in the Finals.
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Post#1099 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:42 pm

jmr07019 wrote:
Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:
jmr07019 wrote:Our top competition and their starting front court mpg

Jarret Allen 6' 11'' - 34 mpg
Mobley 7' - 31 mpg

Claxton 6' 11'' - 28 mpg
Durant 6' 10'' - 36 mpg
Simmons - 6' 10'' - 27 mpg

Giannis 7' - 34 mpg
Lopez 7' - 30 mpg

Horford 6' 9'' - 30 mpg
Tatum 6' 8'' - 36 mpg

That is a ton of size to concede over the course of a series never mind multiple series in a row. Celtics need to bench White (who has gone back to 30% from 3) for Williams if they want to win in the post season. We do not have close to enough shooting to pull off small ball and win with an offense only approach. Not for nothing ..... Rob helps the offense tremendously and we likely see no drop off by reducing White's minutes and playing Rob more.

That's a lot of skill and shooting for the other team to concede over the course of a series. It cuts both ways.


They will concede 3’s to career 34% shooter Derrick White and do their best to not allow corner 3’s to Al and make him shoot from above the break. Derrick has really cooled off after his hot start. Down to 36% for the season and still in a slump. He shot 31% from 3 last post season. I’m not trying to crucify Derrick just wish Joe would adjust rotations.

How many minutes would you like to see Time Lord play in the playoffs? 20 mpg?

Brooklyn is last in defensive rebounding percentage in the entire NBA. Boston is fourth, tied with Cleveland and just 0.2% off Milwaukee's mark. Boston is 3rd in the NBA in field goals allowed in the restricted area behind Golden State and Miami.

Apparently those giant frontcourts can't even clean up the glass and protect the rim like the tiny Celtics so what good does all that size do for them exactly ?

Rob needs to play because he's a really good basketball player not because we supposedly need him to match other teams' size (we don't). White needs to play because he is one of the best role players in the entire league. Those two things are not exclusive. I don't know why you think they are.
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Post#1100 » by shackles10 » Tue Jan 10, 2023 5:27 pm

Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:
jmr07019 wrote:
Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:That's a lot of skill and shooting for the other team to concede over the course of a series. It cuts both ways.


They will concede 3’s to career 34% shooter Derrick White and do their best to not allow corner 3’s to Al and make him shoot from above the break. Derrick has really cooled off after his hot start. Down to 36% for the season and still in a slump. He shot 31% from 3 last post season. I’m not trying to crucify Derrick just wish Joe would adjust rotations.

How many minutes would you like to see Time Lord play in the playoffs? 20 mpg?

Brooklyn is last in defensive rebounding percentage in the entire NBA. Boston is fourth, tied with Cleveland and just 0.2% off Milwaukee's mark. Boston is 3rd in the NBA in field goals allowed in the restricted area behind Golden State and Miami.

Apparently those giant frontcourts can't even clean up the glass and protect the rim like the tiny Celtics so what good does all that size do for them exactly ?

Rob needs to play because he's a really good basketball player not because we supposedly need him to match other teams' size (we don't). White needs to play because he is one of the best role players in the entire league. Those two things are not exclusive. I don't know why you think they are.


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