Trade Landscape/Trade Ideas

rickrolled · Post #1101 » by **rickrolled** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 12:49 pm

Boston - Brooklyn blockbuster:

BKN gets: Rondo,Lee,Faverani

BOS gets: Williams, Shengelia, rights to Bogdanovic, rights to swap '19 pick, Nets '20 1st pick

For Brooklyn: Rondo get's along much better with Pierce and KG, is cheaper and has less years than Williams. Lee is healthy coming off the bench and reduces Terry's minutes. Plus Rondo is Miamis cryptonite. Faverani is big man depth.

For Boston: Williams is still a top 5-7 PG in the league, sure he does have ankle issues but still a solid return for the Celtics. Get an additional pick from the Nets.

The inclusion of Faverani and Shengelia is due to Celtics not exceeding the luxury tax line.

ddb · Post #1102 » by **ddb** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:17 pm

CelticFaninLBC wrote:If Love becomes available, I wouldn't be surprised if he's dealt to the Clippers for Blake Griffin.

Boston would need to send Sullinger, Green & picks to even be considered...

keep an eye out for the Suns...

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Who-rod · Post #1103 » by **Who-rod** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:43 pm

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2013/12/trad ... nders.html

I really like Larry for what he is, and wouldn't mind making a move for him depending on the price. A really, really, really, long big that can block some shots, rebound a bit, finish, and is young but immature. Contrary to popular belief however, he is not as athletic as I had assumed. His combine measurables show great length, but mediocre vertical.

brackdan70 · Post #1104 » by **brackdan70** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:25 pm

Who-rod wrote:http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2013/12/trad ... nders.html

I really like Larry for what he is, and wouldn't mind making a move for him depending on the price. A really, really, really, long big that can block some shots, rebound a bit, finish, and is young but immature. Contrary to popular belief however, he is not as athletic as I had assumed. His combine measurables show great length, but mediocre vertical.

Who is this Larry you speak of. No mention of a Larry in the link?

edit - Mr. Sanders i presume. this link goes directly to the article.
http://msn.foxsports.com/ohio/story/nba ... ade-122313

BleedGreen1989 · Post #1105 » by **BleedGreen1989** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:46 pm

brackdan70 wrote:
Who-rod wrote:http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2013/12/trad ... nders.html

I really like Larry for what he is, and wouldn't mind making a move for him depending on the price. A really, really, really, long big that can block some shots, rebound a bit, finish, and is young but immature. Contrary to popular belief however, he is not as athletic as I had assumed. His combine measurables show great length, but mediocre vertical.

Who is this Larry you speak of. No mention of a Larry in the link?

edit - Mr. Sanders i presume. this link goes directly to the article.
http://msn.foxsports.com/ohio/story/nba ... ade-122313

I made a post on the main trade board regarding Sanders.

Assuming the price was similar, would you guys rather have Omer Asik or Larry Sanders?

GreenFor3 · Post #1106 » by **GreenFor3** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:01 pm

BleedGreen1989 wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:
Who-rod wrote:http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2013/12/trad ... nders.html

I really like Larry for what he is, and wouldn't mind making a move for him depending on the price. A really, really, really, long big that can block some shots, rebound a bit, finish, and is young but immature. Contrary to popular belief however, he is not as athletic as I had assumed. His combine measurables show great length, but mediocre vertical.

Who is this Larry you speak of. No mention of a Larry in the link?

edit - Mr. Sanders i presume. this link goes directly to the article.
http://msn.foxsports.com/ohio/story/nba ... ade-122313

I made a post on the main trade board regarding Sanders.

Assuming the price was similar, would you guys rather have Omer Asik or Larry Sanders?

I think Sanders.

brackdan70 · Post #1107 » by **brackdan70** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:09 pm

BleedGreen1989 wrote:
brackdan70 wrote:
Who-rod wrote:http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2013/12/trad ... nders.html

I really like Larry for what he is, and wouldn't mind making a move for him depending on the price. A really, really, really, long big that can block some shots, rebound a bit, finish, and is young but immature. Contrary to popular belief however, he is not as athletic as I had assumed. His combine measurables show great length, but mediocre vertical.

Who is this Larry you speak of. No mention of a Larry in the link?

edit - Mr. Sanders i presume. this link goes directly to the article.
http://msn.foxsports.com/ohio/story/nba ... ade-122313

I made a post on the main trade board regarding Sanders.

Assuming the price was similar, would you guys rather have Omer Asik or Larry Sanders?

Asik is bigger, cheaper, but a couple years older. i think Asik is the better overall defender, but Sanders probably has more potential and is a better shot blocker. Neither is a huge contributor on offense. If I understand correctly, Sanders will be hard to trade because his Salary counts as 2013 salary outgoing for Milwaukee, but the average of his contract incoming to wherever he gets traded (over 7m) and he has 4 years 44 million starting next year. That is a pretty big commitment. I guess i would not pursue Larry Sanders, because he will be nearly impossible to move if he under-performs.

wickerhd · Post #1108 » by **wickerhd** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:10 pm

Didn't he get involved in a bar fight earlier this year. Anybody else remember the last Milwaukee F/C with a drinking problem we signed? Vin Baker II would scare me to death!

brackdan70 · Post #1109 » by **brackdan70** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:12 pm

wickerhd wrote:Didn't he get involved in a bar fight earlier this year. Anybody else remember the last Milwaukee F/C with a drinking problem we signed? Vin Baker II would scare me to death!

yes he is out with a thumb injury which occurred in said bar fight.

Who-rod · Post #1110 » by **Who-rod** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:32 pm

Sorry about the link... not sure how that ran astray.

I would buy on Larry Sanders if the price is right. A 1st, trade exceptions, expirings and what not. Deal would need to be complicated with poison pill issues.

brackdan70 · Post #1111 » by **brackdan70** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 4:47 pm

Who-rod wrote:Sorry about the link... not sure how that ran astray.

I would buy on Larry Sanders if the price is right. A 1st, trade exceptions, expirings and what not. Deal would need to be complicated with poison pill issues.

The TPE might be the on;y way we could do it, barring a complicated multi - team deal.

i am just not sure he is The center of the Cs future, and he is signed through the 2017-2018 at a pretty hefty cost. If he does not work out I don't think we could move him.

Who-rod · Post #1112 » by **Who-rod** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 5:23 pm

brackdan70 wrote:
Who-rod wrote:Sorry about the link... not sure how that ran astray.

I would buy on Larry Sanders if the price is right. A 1st, trade exceptions, expirings and what not. Deal would need to be complicated with poison pill issues.

The TPE might be the on;y way we could do it, barring a complicated multi - team deal.

i am just not sure he is The center of the Cs future, and he is signed through the 2017-2018 at a pretty hefty cost. If he does not work out I don't think we could move him.

Definitely a risk. The thing about the C's, I don't see us EVER building primarily with cap room. So if you get a guy like Sanders, you simply have to win the trade. Not from an objective standpoint, but from a subjective one. You need to set a value for him, and give up assets you value less then the incoming player.

That is how I viewed the Asik trade. I don't LOVE Asik, but I think Bass and Lee have minimal, and in Lee's case negative trade value. If the LAC pick had sealed that deal, it would have been a coup. We would have had this season to improve Asik's value, then re-sign him, or trade him as an expiring, talented, big man.

KJandHondo35 · Post #1113 » by **KJandHondo35** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 6:24 pm

By far I would prefer Larry Sanders over Asik. Kirk Goldsberry identified him having the biggest impact at the rim defensively holding opponents to 36% which is around 20% under league average. He shows more offensive potential vs Asik and is younger. In games Sanders started he averaged 10pts, 10rbs, 2.8blks. His contract is hard to manage but comparable to Asik's and his age alone give more reason to take the risk. No idea what the Bucks would be looking for however.

Who-rod · Post #1114 » by **Who-rod** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 6:36 pm

The real question is would DA be willing to send the owners into luxury tax land to make this deal happen. If he is, I think the PP trade exception, and a couple of picks get it done.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #1115 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 7:29 pm

Oh bar fights not so bad I misremembered that he was involved in dog fighting

KJandHondo35 · Post #1116 » by **KJandHondo35** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 7:37 pm

andy582 wrote:Oh bar fights not so bad I misremembered that he was involved in dog fighting

So he's got a few character issues... Stevens can figure that out I mean he figured out how to make Crawford a productive guy. Hahaha

15th overall · Post #1117 » by **15th overall** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 11:35 pm

Any shot whatsoever that Chicago would trade Noah in conference? I'd rather make a bid for him if he's available. That franchise is notoriously cheap, saving money is a big sell in any potential trades-- maybe we can use that to our advantage?

shawn unkempt · Post #1118 » by **shawn unkempt** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 4:27 am

A Larry Sanders/Sully combo would be amazing. I hope Danny has been on the phone with them trying to get something done.

jaypete34133413 · Post #1119 » by **jaypete34133413** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 5:28 am

Tyreke Evans would be a nice fit

Granger and Hill would be Lovely

I'm a Sully fan but with back issues like his I don't know....also he's a shorty for that position

I honestly think that Amaré needs a new home and watch him pick it up

I think this line up can defeat the Heat and its possible too obtain these players

Crawford / Hill
Granger/ Bradley
Green
Stat/Sully
A.O

robbie84 · Post #1120 » by **robbie84** » Wed Dec 25, 2013 6:34 am

Houston receives:
Brandon Bass
Courtney Lee
Vitor Faverani
2015 Clippers pick

Cleveland Receives:
Jeff Green
D Montejunas
Jordan Crawford

Boston receives:
Omer Asik
Dion Waiters
Alonzo Gree

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

*Houston gets Faverani as a cheap back up for D Howard whilst getting Lee and Bass. If we really have to, we give them a future 2nd rounder. (or if Cleveland demands it).

*Cleveland finally gets a decent small forward in Green,
They get Crawford to play the combo guard spot like Waiters did as they make a push for the playoffs.

*Boston gets Asik to man the middle, and we also get Waiters as a solid young prospect.

This most likely falls over because Cleveland won't give up Waiters for Green- but that's about as much as they'll ever get for him and they need a scorer. Getting Crawford is a great replacement for Waiters and they can put Bennett at the PF position and interchange Green and Bennett in small ball line ups.

Celtics line up.

Rondo
Waiters
Gee
Sully
Asik

Avery is possibly gone this offseason- or we are looking at around at least 6 million a year for his work.... and Waiters is locked up at 3 million for 3 seasons. With Stevens as his coach, waiters would be in excellent hands and there wouldn't be any bickering with another scoring guard like in Cleveland.
Ron Adams will work with Waiters on his shot and hopefully he becomes the next Dywane Wade as he's shown glimpes of.

We get slightly worse on offense losing Green and Crawford but our defense is solid, while Sully moves back to the PF position.
Probably lose a few more games with this roster because of the scoring problems but we then have picks for the next 3 years to find a decent small forward and we have free agency options.
Gee is young and doesn't cost anything, but he's not really starter material so he's here for another season as a back up small forward while we wait for that star player.