Official Celtics 2022 Off-Season Thread

[Feed Your Head]

So apparently team advanced analytics aren’t that far off from the ones available to the public. Nba teams just have much more detailed tracking than what we get.

Just figured I’d pass it along.

Where do you get your numbers? I just know basketball reference, NBA.com has a little.. LEBRON is nylon calculus, right?

Lebron is BBall Index.
Darko is shinyapp
EPM is dunksandthrees
raptor is 538
cleaning the glass is great for a lot of things.

I almost completely ignore bball references advanced stats, they are dated, and not regarded well within the analytics community. Here’s how nba execs rank the free advanced stats.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/advanced-stats-nba-real-plus-minus-rapm-win-shares-analytics/

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Where do you get your numbers? I just know basketball reference, NBA.com has a little.. LEBRON is nylon calculus, right?

Lebron is BBall Index.
Darko is shinyapp
EPM is dunksandthrees
raptor is 538
cleaning the glass is great for a lot of things.

I almost completely ignore bball references advanced stats, they are dated, and not regarded well within the analytics community. Here’s how nba execs rank the free advanced stats.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/advanced-stats-nba-real-plus-minus-rapm-win-shares-analytics/

Thanks for the link. The realm of statistics/analytics is pretty esoteric, which is a barrier for understanding. One doesn't have to understand the analytic process/algorithm, though, to appreciate the end result. A all-in-one metric that one can trust to be a good indication of a player's value. I know a little bit more now about some of these metrics, their pluses and minuses, and became aware of others I was previously ignorant of.

[Feed Your Head]

Lebron is BBall Index.
Darko is shinyapp
EPM is dunksandthrees
raptor is 538
cleaning the glass is great for a lot of things.

I almost completely ignore bball references advanced stats, they are dated, and not regarded well within the analytics community. Here’s how nba execs rank the free advanced stats.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/advanced-stats-nba-real-plus-minus-rapm-win-shares-analytics/

Thanks for the link. The realm of statistics/analytics is pretty esoteric, which is a barrier for understanding. One doesn't have to understand the analytic process/algorithm, though, to appreciate the end result. A all-in-one metric that one can trust to be a good indication of a player's value. I know a little bit more now about some of these metrics, their pluses and minuses, and became aware of others I was previously ignorant of.

I like to use a blend of LEBRON, DPM, EPM, and RAPTOR. I like luck adjusted RAPM, but not for a single season.

RPM has become such trash, that ESPN didn’t even bother releasing it this year.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I almost completely ignore bball references advanced stats, they are dated, and not regarded well within the analytics community. Here’s how nba execs rank the free advanced stats.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/advanced-stats-nba-real-plus-minus-rapm-win-shares-analytics/

Thanks for the link. The realm of statistics/analytics is pretty esoteric, which is a barrier for understanding. One doesn't have to understand the analytic process/algorithm, though, to appreciate the end result. A all-in-one metric that one can trust to be a good indication of a player's value. I know a little bit more now about some of these metrics, their pluses and minuses, and became aware of others I was previously ignorant of.

I like to use a blend of LEBRON, DPM, EPM, and RAPTOR. I like luck adjusted RAPM, but not for a single season.

RPM has become such trash, that ESPN didn’t even bother releasing it this year.

Thanks for all those. They're all single ratings, right? I'd like to be able to pull up stuff like points per possession when Jaylen handles the ball in a pick and roll, rank players by corner three point percentage.. wish there were a good one-stop site..

When I'm 80 I'll still be talking about how Synergy Sports briefly had a really cheap fan subscription with videos for every player, every possession, sorted by play type..

[Feed Your Head]

Thanks for the link. The realm of statistics/analytics is pretty esoteric, which is a barrier for understanding. One doesn't have to understand the analytic process/algorithm, though, to appreciate the end result. A all-in-one metric that one can trust to be a good indication of a player's value. I know a little bit more now about some of these metrics, their pluses and minuses, and became aware of others I was previously ignorant of.

I like to use a blend of LEBRON, DPM, EPM, and RAPTOR. I like luck adjusted RAPM, but not for a single season.

RPM has become such trash, that ESPN didn’t even bother releasing it this year.

Thanks for all those. They're all single ratings, right? I'd like to be able to pull up stuff like points per possession when Jaylen handles the ball in a pick and roll, rank players by corner three point percentage.. wish there were a good one-stop site..

When I'm 80 I'll still be talking about how Synergy Sports briefly had a really cheap fan subscription with videos for every player, every possession, sorted by play type..

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/ball-handler/

.86 PPP as PnR ball handler.

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Nice to see.
Reminds me of Horford, traveling with his Father.
Haven't seen his Dad in awhile.

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[ConstableGeneva]

KAT to Boston confirmed.

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[Bohemian]

Fans of the Boston Celtics will not likely have any pity for the owners of the team paying the tax in future seasons given the ownership group seems to be doing pretty well. Well enough in fact that team co-owner Steve Pagliuca has reportedly purchased a 55% stake in European football club Atalanta, per a release by the team.

We of course mean soccer when we say football, but Atalanta, a series A football club, was purchased in partnership with the Percassi family by Pagliuca, who owns the Celtics along with co-owner Wyc Grousbeck and the rest of Boston Basketball Partners, LLC.

“We are thrilled to partner with the Percassi family and to support the future development of the Club,” shared Pagliuca in the release.

“Atalanta and Boston Celtics share the common sports values: teamwork and an extraordinary relationship with the fans and the community.”

Citing a desire to “strengthen the brand globally,” it sounds like the partnership is aimed not only at the local supporters of the club but part of a concerted effort to raise the profile of the sport more generally.

https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2022/02/20/nba-boston-celtics-pagliuca-atalanta/?taid=621354a7f665b40001436bf4&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter

[ConstableGeneva]

Net ratings of Celtics with core four on the floor (filtered out players no longer with team)...



POBO Brad sure knows how to trim the fat.

[steefP2]

Net ratings of Celtics with core four on the floor (filtered out players no longer with team)...



POBO Brad sure knows how to trim the fat.

Just for fun I wanna see 5-8 min of smart white jays and grant. It would kill offensively but curious to see if or how bad the defense would drop. Just to know it’s viability as a change-up look

[Larry_Russell]

I still believe that there is a great chance that by seasons end White should be starting and everyone jumping a spot in the lineup with Horford going to bench

Cause next season it is what makes the most sense.

1) Keep Horford. He is productive and unless some deal manifests that turns him into a great useful player, it is more effective to keep him as a 27 million dollar expiring. That will be a very useful asset during the season when some team realizes they cannot win.

2) Sign a guy who can come in and score off the bench at the sg/sf spot (amir coffey would be cheap, Harris, Lamb, McLEmore, DDV, Connaughton, Nwora might be cheap)

3) Sign a vet BIG forward who can fill in either forward spot. (anderson, Prince, Snell )

4) Sign a vet PG/SG who can fill in as needed (White, Burke, Satoransky )

5) Bring over Yam and Begarin and your 2way contracts. This leaves 1 open roster spot.


2022-2023
PG: Smart/Pritchard/Yam2wp
SG: White/Coffey/White
SF Brown/Nesmith/Hauser/Begarin2wp
PF: Tatum/Grant/Anderson
C: Timelord/Horford/Theis

[Larry_Russell]

What do you guys think Sacramento's plans are with Terrence Davis moving forward, and what, if any, is their plans for their roster?

2022-2023 their roster looks like:
Resign DDV QO level is 6.6 million (cap hold 14 million)
Pick (currently 6 and looking to be a sg/sf range of players) (caphold 5.5 million)

PG: Fox/Mitchell
SG: DDV/Davis
SF: Barnes/Holiday/Harkless
PF: Sabonis/Lyles/Metu
C: Holmes/Len/Jones

About 127 million in salary.

Assuming they draft a sg/sf they would have the MLE to look for depth in that pg/sg spots on the roster. And seeing how Davis will be due for a raise next season think he could become available? Think they deal him for defensive upgrade in the starting lineup?


I think he can be the IDEAL 6th man with his ability to shoot and score, and if needed he can easily slide into the starting lineup.

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[ConstableGeneva]

These Celtics are on pace to have the best defense the team's had since the KG era, based on defensive rating relative to league average (per BBRef). Even with defense-oriented players, I don't think introducing a new system and establishing this level of defensive cohesion and connectedness in a coach's rookie season is an easy thing to do. Cs likely overtake the Dubs for #1 spot as Draymond won't be back for at least another month.



I didn't mean to include the third column showing what previous Celtics teams with this level of defense accomplished.

[Larry_Russell]

KAT to Boston confirmed.

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For Smart and Timelord, cause MInny wanted smart, reportedly.

KAT starting PF next season.

White
Brown
Tatum
Horford
KAT