2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (Wow this is fun!)

[Fierce1]

Lacking in IQ, come on. They're record as a twosome is incredible. Lots of knee jerk going on here.

JT's shooting % is way down the last 2 seasons because he keeps jacking up 3s even if there's a defender contesting the shot.

JB is in his 9th season in the NBA and he still dribbles the ball even when there are multiple defenders around him.

Those are things the Pacers and OKC don't do.

It's basketball 101.

Why force a shot when you can pass the ball or drive to the basket instead.

And players in high school are taught to not dribble the ball when there are multiple defenders around you.

[SuperDeluxe]

And players in high school are taught to not dribble the ball when there are multiple defenders around you.

It's also common sense.

[Fierce1]

And players in high school are taught to not dribble the ball when there are multiple defenders around you.

It's also common sense.

True.

We've seen it many times over the years.

It's a turnover waiting to happen when JB takes more than 3 dribbles and he tries to dribble through 2 defenders.

[Fierce1]

JT was forgiven in 2024 because the Cs won a chip and maybe it was just a down year for JT.

But this season, it's like JT doubled down and jacked up 3s like crazy.

I thought JT would get serious and lessen the 3s when the playoffs arrived.

But the Game 1 loss to NY was 100% on JT.

That was really disappointing from JT.

[Smart2Nesmith43]

Indiana trades #23 to New Orleans for their own (Indy's) 2026 first back, the pick that went to Toronto for Siakam then to New Orleans for BI.
This makes sense because Indiana young guys they already have: Walker, Mathurin, Sheppard and Furphy probably need more minutes

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And that right there is why one franchise is in the Finals and the other is always irrelevant. Pacers already have more guys than they can play and would much rather have the flexibility of an additional first round pick this summer/next trade deadline to improve their roster than a late first rounder riding the bench. They also get all the upside (in case their next season goes sideways and they stumble into a high pick) and virtually no downside (worst case scenario they trade down from #23 this year to #30 next year which really isn't a big deal). The Pelicans get a shiny new toy right now at the expense of better long term management of their assets.

I hate being right sometimes

[GrandTheftRondo]

Man still hurts to think that we traded for **** Kyrie in 2018 the pick that could have been used on SGA.

Imagine that for a big 3!

[Celticlifer]

Basketball 101. Right, they had a couple of bad games after an incredibly long season with Olympics, etc. and all of a sudden we're a stupid team. got Our number 2 and 5 players are injured/sick. remember what Parcells said, you are what your record says you are. Our record speaks for itself and it doesn't say low BBIQ. It says highly intelligent, focused team that plays together with low egos from its superstars.
Of course, we could blow it up to see what binkie might be better. a real high IQ move.

[cl2117]

Apparently Miami now looking at Derozan and Sacramento previously was interested in Jrue, I think there could be something there with that trio. Ignoring the value that has to be swung around, something like this:

SAC: Jrue, Tillman

MIA: Derozan, Terrance Davis

BKN: Duncan Robinson (waived for only $9.8m cap hit), asset value from Miami

BOS: nothing

Kings get a great fit next to Lavine, hopefully a guy who helps connect all their other pieces in a way that the sum is greater than its parts.

I don't know why Miami would want Derozan honestly, it feels like the most treadmill of treadmill options, but if they are interested and willing to pay some value for it more power to them.

Part of the value paid by Miami for Derozan (absent from above because I don't know what that looks like) goes to BKN to eat Duncan Robinson in space. Miami gets a $20m TPE, BKN get's to sell $10m in cap space twice, and we don't have to take any money back creating our own $32m TPE.

C's create a massive TPE and end up only $5m shy of ducking the tax. Tack on a KP trade where we take a little less back or Hauser trade for nothing (I'd prefer the former over the latter) and we've reset the cap and possibly snagged a few assets in the process.

What realistically would Miami give up for Derozan and could we realistically insert Jrue in for SAC's return and take that for ourselves?

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[Fierce1]

Basketball 101. Right, they had a couple of bad games after an incredibly long season with Olympics, etc. and all of a sudden we're a stupid team. got Our number 2 and 5 players are injured/sick. remember what Parcells said, you are what your record says you are. Our record speaks for itself and it doesn't say low BBIQ. It says highly intelligent, focused team that plays together with low egos from its superstars.
Of course, we could blow it up to see what binkie might be better. a real high IQ move.

The Celtic record is because the Jays are ultra talented.

Nobody's questioning their talent.

It's the bad decisions.

The Celtics' talent got them a championship.

But relying solely on talent will not work anymore.

Why would you keep jacking up 3s when it's not falling?

And why dribble when 2 defenders are around you?

Like another poster said, it's common sense.

[bfchs123]

Not saying you're wrong, but OKC is a bad matchup for the Cs.

When the Cs lost to OKC at home, in the regular, JT had one of his best games this season.

It wasn't enough as OKC really capitalized on every bad shot the Cs took and made the Cs pay for every mistake they made.

The Cs are just not efficient enough and smart enough to beat OKC.

Right now the standard is OKC.

So if the Cs are not on the same level as OKC, might as well try something else.

Retooling is fine. Adding another dimension is fine. But trading Brown for the sake of getting the contract out of here and trying something new is knee jerk. You try something new by trading KP or Jrue to extend your window which is still wide open as long as you have JT White and Brown. If you trade Brown you’re going to be in a slightly better situation than Milwaukee in 2 years only because you have younger talent and all your picks except the one owed to SAS.

I can’t see Boston blowing it up around Tatum and Tatum playing good soldier for more than a year. He’s under contract so they can deal with him or whatever but when a player asks out they usually get what they want.

I agree that trading JB just for the sake of getting out of the contract is wrong.

We're on the same page on that.

I would only move JB for Giannis or the #2 pick and great offer from the Spurs.

Keeping JB is the safe move, but I don't believe the Cs will be getting Banner 19 in the near future with the Jays leading the way.

As one of JT's biggest fan, I have to admit that JT and JB are lacking in the bball IQ department.

If trading Brown it has to be one of those "WTF was the other team thinking" type deals otherwise doesn't make any sense. We'll make our own run next year in the wide open east

[WeLikeOurGuys]

Basketball 101. Right, they had a couple of bad games after an incredibly long season with Olympics, etc. and all of a sudden we're a stupid team. got Our number 2 and 5 players are injured/sick. remember what Parcells said, you are what your record says you are. Our record speaks for itself and it doesn't say low BBIQ. It says highly intelligent, focused team that plays together with low egos from its superstars.
Of course, we could blow it up to see what binkie might be better. a real high IQ move.

The Celtic record is because the Jays are ultra talented.

Nobody's questioning their talent.

It's the bad decisions.

The Celtics' talent got them a championship.

But relying solely on talent will not work anymore.

Why would you keep jacking up 3s when it's not falling?

And why dribble when 2 defenders are around you?

Like another poster said, it's common sense.

I think the real issue is coaching. Even though the Celtics won a championship with Joe Mazzulla, I still think his system kind of sucks. He doubled down on the team taking a ton of threes, and I think that’s a big reason why Tatum has started settling for so many jumpers. On top of that, for some reason they tried using Jaylen Brown more as a point forward this season—even though that’s clearly not his game.

At the start of last year, they were focused on developing Tatum’s post game, but they completely abandoned it to fit into Joe’s three-point-heavy strategy. That’s the biggest issue to me—it starts with Mazzulla.

I’m not saying Joe is the worst coach out there, but for a veteran group like this, I honestly think he’s a bad fit. And what’s really telling is that there’s been zero information about his contract situation. Why would they let him enter next season with only one year left? And if they’re truly sold on him, why didn’t they extend him after winning the title?

Something doesn’t add up.

[celtxman]

Man still hurts to think that we traded for **** Kyrie in 2018 the pick that could have been used on SGA.

Imagine that for a big 3!

What makes it more painful is Ainge doubled down. He had a chance at redemption and blew it. The Clippers called the Celtics wanting Irving. The Clippers proved later they didn't think much of Shai as they traded him to OKC. When Irving said "I don't owe anyone sh#* about staying with Boston ,10 days before the trade deadline, Ainge should have picked up the phone and called LA back. But he stubbornly held onto his Irving/AD dream.

[Fierce1]

Retooling is fine. Adding another dimension is fine. But trading Brown for the sake of getting the contract out of here and trying something new is knee jerk. You try something new by trading KP or Jrue to extend your window which is still wide open as long as you have JT White and Brown. If you trade Brown you’re going to be in a slightly better situation than Milwaukee in 2 years only because you have younger talent and all your picks except the one owed to SAS.

I can’t see Boston blowing it up around Tatum and Tatum playing good soldier for more than a year. He’s under contract so they can deal with him or whatever but when a player asks out they usually get what they want.

I agree that trading JB just for the sake of getting out of the contract is wrong.

We're on the same page on that.

I would only move JB for Giannis or the #2 pick and great offer from the Spurs.

Keeping JB is the safe move, but I don't believe the Cs will be getting Banner 19 in the near future with the Jays leading the way.

As one of JT's biggest fan, I have to admit that JT and JB are lacking in the bball IQ department.

If trading Brown it has to be one of those "WTF was the other team thinking" type deals otherwise doesn't make any sense. We'll make our own run next year in the wide open east

Agree!

It's not like I'm proposing trading JB for DeRozan.

[Fierce1]

Basketball 101. Right, they had a couple of bad games after an incredibly long season with Olympics, etc. and all of a sudden we're a stupid team. got Our number 2 and 5 players are injured/sick. remember what Parcells said, you are what your record says you are. Our record speaks for itself and it doesn't say low BBIQ. It says highly intelligent, focused team that plays together with low egos from its superstars.
Of course, we could blow it up to see what binkie might be better. a real high IQ move.

The Celtic record is because the Jays are ultra talented.

Nobody's questioning their talent.

It's the bad decisions.

The Celtics' talent got them a championship.

But relying solely on talent will not work anymore.

Why would you keep jacking up 3s when it's not falling?

And why dribble when 2 defenders are around you?

Like another poster said, it's common sense.

I think the real issue is coaching. Even though the Celtics won a championship with Joe Mazzulla, I still think his system kind of sucks. He doubled down on the team taking a ton of threes, and I think that’s a big reason why Tatum has started settling for so many jumpers. On top of that, for some reason they tried using Jaylen Brown more as a point forward this season—even though that’s clearly not his game.

At the start of last year, they were focused on developing Tatum’s post game, but they completely abandoned it to fit into Joe’s three-point-heavy strategy. That’s the biggest issue to me—it starts with Mazzulla.

I’m not saying Joe is the worst coach out there, but for a veteran group like this, I honestly think he’s a bad fit. And what’s really telling is that there’s been zero information about his contract situation. Why would they let him enter next season with only one year left? And if they’re truly sold on him, why didn’t they extend him after winning the title?

Something doesn’t add up.

Also true.

Joe should tweak his system starting this coming season.

Like I said, the league has caught up with Mazzulla-Ball.

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[Curmudgeon]

I'm not convinced that Giannis is staying in Milwaukee. Except for him, most of the potential "big dominoes" are Celtics.

[Fierce1]

Giannis to Boston

JB to Spurs

#2 pick and other assets to Milwaukee

[hugepatsfan]

Basketball 101. Right, they had a couple of bad games after an incredibly long season with Olympics, etc. and all of a sudden we're a stupid team. got Our number 2 and 5 players are injured/sick. remember what Parcells said, you are what your record says you are. Our record speaks for itself and it doesn't say low BBIQ. It says highly intelligent, focused team that plays together with low egos from its superstars.
Of course, we could blow it up to see what binkie might be better. a real high IQ move.

The Celtic record is because the Jays are ultra talented.

Nobody's questioning their talent.

It's the bad decisions.

The Celtics' talent got them a championship.

But relying solely on talent will not work anymore.

Why would you keep jacking up 3s when it's not falling?

And why dribble when 2 defenders are around you?

Like another poster said, it's common sense.

I think the real issue is coaching. Even though the Celtics won a championship with Joe Mazzulla, I still think his system kind of sucks. He doubled down on the team taking a ton of threes, and I think that’s a big reason why Tatum has started settling for so many jumpers. On top of that, for some reason they tried using Jaylen Brown more as a point forward this season—even though that’s clearly not his game.

At the start of last year, they were focused on developing Tatum’s post game, but they completely abandoned it to fit into Joe’s three-point-heavy strategy. That’s the biggest issue to me—it starts with Mazzulla.

I’m not saying Joe is the worst coach out there, but for a veteran group like this, I honestly think he’s a bad fit. And what’s really telling is that there’s been zero information about his contract situation. Why would they let him enter next season with only one year left? And if they’re truly sold on him, why didn’t they extend him after winning the title?

Something doesn’t add up.

I think if they want to get away from taking so many threes Brad is going to have to give the team a single player on the team who can dribble through traffic. Every player on the team sucks at it. Jrue/White are combo guards vs. true PGs because of that. Tatum/Brown are great, but compared to high usage ball handlers they're both horrendous ball handlers. Pritchard improved some but still gets cuaght like a deer in the headlights most time he handles inside the 3 point line. The only player on the team I'd say is a "plus" ball handler relative to their position are Tatum as a "PF" but really he plays PG so that's moot and then Horford as a C but that's really so meaningless because it's such low threshold/and volume of plays.

They need to play 5 out a ton and space the floor that way because it's the only way to draw the defense out and make up for their total lack of ability to handle through tighter traffic.

[WeLikeOurGuys]

I still think Brad finds a way to sneak into the lottery without trading Brown, White, or Tatum.