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Post#1121 » by chakdaddy » Sun Apr 2, 2017 6:19 pm

Didn't know those reach numbers. Encouraging, maybe he has enough length if not height. The 3 and handles are key if he can be a power 3, small ball 4/5.
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Post#1122 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Mon Apr 3, 2017 1:46 am

I'm now a Yabu believer. Sign the big fella up for the playoffs.
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Post#1123 » by Celtic King » Mon Apr 3, 2017 2:35 am

Gant wrote:The Windy City announcers did a good job last night. They were entertaining both in ways they meant to be and ways they didn't. At one point they said about Yabusele after his great baseline drive, "He's like a bulldozer."

He's not tall, but his super-thick strong frame kind of reminds me of Anthony Mason... with a nice 3 point stroke.

Two of the turnovers he was charged with were bad calls on travels and took away drives he was about to attempt. What a unique and interesting prospect. It's impossible to know what he might become. His defense will determine how soon he plays in the NBA.

Gant, His defense will be fine with the right assignment. As I have said since seeing him him in China and talking to the coaching staff he is a real two way player. Easy to coach and quicker than you think of a guy his size. He will be a real surprise packet in the NBA. Think of our very own Draymond Green. That is the guy he will play like.
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Post#1124 » by Gant » Mon Apr 3, 2017 2:45 am

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Gant wrote:The Windy City announcers did a good job last night. They were entertaining both in ways they meant to be and ways they didn't. At one point they said about Yabusele after his great baseline drive, "He's like a bulldozer."

He's not tall, but his super-thick strong frame kind of reminds me of Anthony Mason... with a nice 3 point stroke.

Two of the turnovers he was charged with were bad calls on travels and took away drives he was about to attempt. What a unique and interesting prospect. It's impossible to know what he might become. His defense will determine how soon he plays in the NBA.

Gant, His defense will be fine with the right assignment. As I have said since seeing him him in China and talking to the coaching staff he is a real two way player. Easy to coach and quicker than you think of a guy his size. He will be a real surprise packet in the NBA. Think of our very own Draymond Green. That is the guy he will play like.


That's great that you were able to speak to his coaches, and great information too. I'm really hopeful on Yabusele. He's just such a different sort of player. Huge with light feet, a powerhouse base, a quick first step with the ability to drive, and a great shooting touch. What a cool combination.
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Post#1125 » by Celtic King » Mon Apr 3, 2017 2:57 am

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Gant wrote:The Windy City announcers did a good job last night. They were entertaining both in ways they meant to be and ways they didn't. At one point they said about Yabusele after his great baseline drive, "He's like a bulldozer."

He's not tall, but his super-thick strong frame kind of reminds me of Anthony Mason... with a nice 3 point stroke.

Two of the turnovers he was charged with were bad calls on travels and took away drives he was about to attempt. What a unique and interesting prospect. It's impossible to know what he might become. His defense will determine how soon he plays in the NBA.

Gant, His defense will be fine with the right assignment. As I have said since seeing him him in China and talking to the coaching staff he is a real two way player. Easy to coach and quicker than you think of a guy his size. He will be a real surprise packet in the NBA. Think of our very own Draymond Green. That is the guy he will play like.


That's great that you were able to speak to his coaches, and great information too. I'm really hopeful on Yabusele. He's just such a different sort of player. Huge with light feet, a powerhouse base, a quick first step with the ability to drive, and a great shooting touch. What a cool combination.



He said in China he really was looking forward to summer league. So coming to the D-League this season would have been a bit of a surprise to him especially after the ankle injury. So Summer league came early for him. He is playing now because the team have a faith in him and want to see him playing in the C's system. This is not an audition for him this is getting him in the system now. Think about it. He is getting a head start even on Zizic. There will be room for him on the team with the expiring contracts and only one 1st round pick this year.
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Post#1126 » by pasfru » Mon Apr 3, 2017 10:17 am

People seem to be comparing any stretch 4 who can shoot/rebound to Draymond nowadays. What Draymond has that those guys don't is some of the best defence and intangibles in the entire league.
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Post#1127 » by sam_I_am » Mon Apr 3, 2017 12:14 pm

He reminds me of the player I thought Sully could be if he was in shape. Undersized and vertically challenged but at 270 lbs and with long arms can still compete in the middle. Nice feel, nice handle for a big and if he can hit 3 at 35-38% and grab 8 rebounds per game he will be a nice addition.
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Post#1128 » by shackles10 » Mon Apr 3, 2017 2:35 pm

If Yabu is vertically challenged then Sully is cemented to the court. I never envisioned Sully having the athleticism and leaping ability Yabu has shown to just compare those aspects of their games.
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Post#1129 » by sam_I_am » Mon Apr 3, 2017 2:57 pm

shackles10 wrote:If Yabu is vertically challenged then Sully is cemented to the court. I never envisioned Sully having the athleticism and leaping ability Yabu has shown to just compare those aspects of their games.


I guess I don't see Yabu having leaping ability at NBA level. Also, Sully was once considered a potential #1 pick in entire draft before weight and back problems dragged his m down.
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Post#1130 » by LobCityRondo2KG » Mon Apr 3, 2017 3:00 pm

Yabu is way more athletic out there compared to Sully.. One thing that is super impressive is Yabu's ability to take a couple dribbles and explode to the rim.. Sully never showed that ability
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Post#1131 » by shackles10 » Mon Apr 3, 2017 3:25 pm

Sully was for sure the better prospect I agree 100%, but that neither that dribble drive or explosion to the rim, let alone both, like LobCitu mentioned were never part of his game. He had much better post moves, stronger rebounder for sure, and overall more of an interior presence than Yabu.
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Post#1132 » by TheOGJabroni » Mon Apr 3, 2017 3:34 pm

shackles10 wrote:Sully was for sure the better prospect I agree 100%, but that neither that dribble drive or explosion to the rim, let alone both, like LobCitu mentioned were never part of his game. He had much better post moves, stronger rebounder for sure, and overall more of an interior presence than Yabu.

This is pretty accurate. Good news is, a lot of the Yabu's strengths vs weaknesses are better suited for today's game. Ten years ago, Sully would have looked like a much better player.
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Post#1133 » by hickfromfrenchlick » Mon Apr 3, 2017 3:36 pm

Fruit Pastilles wrote:People seem to be comparing any stretch 4 who can shoot/rebound to Draymond nowadays. What Draymond has that those guys don't is some of the best defence and intangibles in the entire league.


Green can dish out 10 assists on any given night. I get that he's got multiple all-stars to pass to, but he runs that offense on most nights. Yabs had 6 turnovers in a D-League game.

I know people like Yabs' passing ability, but I'd say his ceiling looks more like Diaw's than Green's.
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Post#1134 » by Parliament10 » Mon Apr 3, 2017 4:16 pm

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Fruit Pastilles wrote:People seem to be comparing any stretch 4 who can shoot/rebound to Draymond nowadays. What Draymond has that those guys don't is some of the best defence and intangibles in the entire league.


Green can dish out 10 assists on any given night. I get that he's got multiple all-stars to pass to, but he runs that offense on most nights. Yabs had 6 turnovers in a D-League game.

I know people like Yabs' passing ability, but I'd say his ceiling looks more like Diaw's than Green's.

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Post#1135 » by jfs1000d » Mon Apr 3, 2017 4:54 pm

shackles10 wrote:If Yabu is vertically challenged then Sully is cemented to the court. I never envisioned Sully having the athleticism and leaping ability Yabu has shown to just compare those aspects of their games.


Vertically challenged? Yabs wrecks the rim . His very might not be 35 inches, but he makes up for it with long arms and he is an explosive dunker.

This guy is a player. He's a 3/4 tweener. I think he has more strength and size and quickness than we give him credit for.
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Post#1136 » by jfs1000d » Mon Apr 3, 2017 5:04 pm

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shackles10 wrote:If Yabu is vertically challenged then Sully is cemented to the court. I never envisioned Sully having the athleticism and leaping ability Yabu has shown to just compare those aspects of their games.


Vertically challenged? Yabs wrecks the rim . His vert might not be 35 inches, but he makes up for it with long arms and he is an explosive dunker.

This guy is a player. He's a 3/4 tweener. I think he has more strength and size and quickness than we give him credit for.
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Post#1137 » by sam_I_am » Mon Apr 3, 2017 5:41 pm

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Fruit Pastilles wrote:People seem to be comparing any stretch 4 who can shoot/rebound to Draymond nowadays. What Draymond has that those guys don't is some of the best defence and intangibles in the entire league.


Green can dish out 10 assists on any given night. I get that he's got multiple all-stars to pass to, but he runs that offense on most nights. Yabs had 6 turnovers in a D-League game.

I know people like Yabs' passing ability, but I'd say his ceiling looks more like Diaw's than Green's.


I'd be happy with that. But Green was drafted at age 22 and took 2 years to emerge. I don't think we should put a ceiling on Yabs yet until he plateaus. He already looks like twice the player we saw in SL
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Post#1138 » by rochrist » Mon Apr 3, 2017 9:38 pm

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Gant wrote:The Windy City announcers did a good job last night. They were entertaining both in ways they meant to be and ways they didn't. At one point they said about Yabusele after his great baseline drive, "He's like a bulldozer."

He's not tall, but his super-thick strong frame kind of reminds me of Anthony Mason... with a nice 3 point stroke.

Two of the turnovers he was charged with were bad calls on travels and took away drives he was about to attempt. What a unique and interesting prospect. It's impossible to know what he might become. His defense will determine how soon he plays in the NBA.


Exactly and his body is what makes him NBA ready physically.

Where someone like Mickey isn't strong or tall enough to bang in the NBA.


He still scares me as the kind of undersized guy who excels at every level except NBA. Even a guy like Antoine at his best was excellent until he faced legit big like Sheed and couldn't get a shot off. Then again, we're looking for a rotation guy in Yabu, not a star - but should you aim for a rotation guy at 15 when you have loads of picks?


Big Baby was moderately successful. Enough to be a piece on a contender. Yabs seems to be a far more explosive athelete (you could barely slide a piece of paper under BB's feet when he jumped) and to be far more skilled.
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Post#1139 » by Gomes3PC » Mon Apr 3, 2017 9:50 pm

Yabu is more explosive than Sully or BBD but to survive in the NBA he's going to have to defend with his feet and strength more than his hops and length. He does not seem to be a natural shotblocker / rim protector, so to stay on the floor he's going to have to rotate well, play within the system and be physical.
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Post#1140 » by shackles10 » Tue Apr 4, 2017 4:14 am

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shackles10 wrote:If Yabu is vertically challenged then Sully is cemented to the court. I never envisioned Sully having the athleticism and leaping ability Yabu has shown to just compare those aspects of their games.


Vertically challenged? Yabs wrecks the rim . His very might not be 35 inches, but he makes up for it with long arms and he is an explosive dunker.

This guy is a player. He's a 3/4 tweener. I think he has more strength and size and quickness than we give him credit for.


I don't think he's vertically challenged at all. I was saying if he is, and he isn't, then Sullinger, the player he was compared to athletically, has zero hops at all.

I like Yabu. I think he'll carve out a nice role with an evolving game. He'll start out as that energizer bunny get some quick baskets and the crowd going with drives, dunks, and a smile fans will eat up. As he matures I expect less of that and a solid perimeter shooter, with less athletic explosions, solid defense as a guy who draws timely charges. I don't know why, but something about him strikes me as a guy who will take a lot of charges and if he's on a winning team the announcers will say brings all kinds of "intangibles". Funny how those guys that get that reputation are on winning teams. Chicken vs egg scenario for me, but you never hear how a guy's dirty work has led to 22 wins for the Suns.

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