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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#1121 » by themoneyteam2 » Fri Jan 3, 2020 9:19 pm

Scarletfire81 wrote:I just saw Drummond is on the block. Any chance we can get Drummond without giving up our core? We have to throw in Smart though.


Celtics have no interest in Drummond and no deal that would make sense.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#1122 » by Feed Your Head » Fri Jan 3, 2020 9:24 pm

Scarletfire81 wrote:I just saw Drummond is on the block. Any chance we can get Drummond without giving up our core? We have to throw in Smart though.


Smart is a better low post defender than Drummond.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#1123 » by MagicBagley18 » Fri Jan 3, 2020 9:28 pm

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Wes-J wrote:Amusing the Brown trade fantasies that will never happen.

How funny some in here are talking about Brown "continuing" to elevate his level of play at this young age and wanting to TRADE him for this available mythical top 10 player that doesn't exist.

If he continues to get better I have a novel idea.. LET'S HANG ON TO HIM.


Danny would Trade brown for a proven player who is top 20 with top 10 potential in heartbeat over Tatum. Pay attention- the pelicans wanted Tatum they had no interest in brown as a centerpiece and there’s a reason, it’s because tatums ceiling is higher than browns.

brown has played great this season but it’s abt acquiring top level talent. U can get kat for brown u do it all day. Kemba and kat you’re bonafide top 20 guys and hope Tatum grows and continues to develop into that top 10 guy. That’s how you win.

While simultaneously getting kat into a top flight organization and coach and hope he reaches his full top 10-15 talent he has.


do you think brown has top 20 potential? i do, but also can totally understand someone who doesnt. my only question would be, what do you think he CANT do?

I question his passing, but have seen it improve exponentially, and quite frankly, i have no idea what he can do is the focus of a defense, because we haven't seen it. Being great one-on-one after receiving the ball in an advantageous position is awesome, but to get to that next level, you have to do it when everybody is waiting for you. Like I said, i'm not sold on him having that ability, and in the brief moments he has been the head of the snake, so to speak, he seems a bit indecisive and less effective.

ive said before that i think tatum is the better prospect, but i do think it requires him reaching his ceiling, which isnt a given.

in fact, id venture to say that most players never reach their ceiling. thats why its a ceiling lol.

again, i just like the debate, and ultimately agree that Tatum > Brown, i just think that it is closer than most.


You make valid arguments and the correct answer is none of us know. However there is our opinions and there are the opinions of other teams who have perceived value for these players. Tatums perceived value has, was and is higher than browns. I don’t think that a hot take or anything. Tatum had perceived value of being the center piece of an AD deal.

You hit all my points and we have talked about what I think the difference is between Tatum and brown offensively etc. I don’t think brown could function as a number 1 on offense and I do think Tatum can and will be able to- very successfully as his career progresses. I think the jump brown has made this year and it has been that, is the major jump he will make in his career.

Does that mean he won’t get better at all ? No. He’s 22 I think he get better in certain areas but I think he’s much closer to his ceiling than most do here and I also believe that Tatum has a brown like jump in him and when he does (IMO next season) it’s going to propel him to all nba levels. A tier IMO brown won’t ever reach. So no I don’t think he will be top 20. I put him in the 25-30 range
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#1124 » by zoyathedestroya » Fri Jan 3, 2020 9:30 pm

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We're interested in signing Drummond for the MLE this summer lol.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#1125 » by Scarletfire81 » Fri Jan 3, 2020 9:34 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Scarletfire81 wrote:I just saw Drummond is on the block. Any chance we can get Drummond without giving up our core? We have to throw in Smart though.

Smart is more valuable than Drummond


Don’t get me wrong I love Smart. Drummond is averaging 17 points and 16 rebounds a game. I mean just the rebounding ability is crazy valuable.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#1126 » by Dannyboy36 » Fri Jan 3, 2020 9:37 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Scarletfire81 wrote:I just saw Drummond is on the block. Any chance we can get Drummond without giving up our core? We have to throw in Smart though.

Smart is more valuable than Drummond


I’d jump at a Smart for Drummond deal if that was possible to retain our top 4 guys but that’s a fantasy.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#1127 » by Celts17Pride » Fri Jan 3, 2020 9:38 pm

Scarletfire81 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
Scarletfire81 wrote:I just saw Drummond is on the block. Any chance we can get Drummond without giving up our core? We have to throw in Smart though.

Smart is more valuable than Drummond


Don’t get me wrong I love Smart. Drummond is averaging 17 points and 16 rebounds a game. I mean just the rebounding ability is crazy valuable.

Empty stats. Always have been. Not to mention Embiid abuses Drummond even worst than Theis.
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Post#1128 » by Dannyboy36 » Fri Jan 3, 2020 9:40 pm

This is s popular opinion in Boston I swear. They’d really rather trade away Hayward for Drummond before Smart. Insanity. If that fantasy trade went through we’d ya e Kemba/ brown/ Hayward/ Tatum/ Drummond. That’s ridiculous.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#1129 » by GoCeltics123 » Fri Jan 3, 2020 9:41 pm

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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#1130 » by Scarletfire81 » Fri Jan 3, 2020 9:41 pm

Dannyboy36 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
Scarletfire81 wrote:I just saw Drummond is on the block. Any chance we can get Drummond without giving up our core? We have to throw in Smart though.

Smart is more valuable than Drummond


I’d jump at a Smart for Drummond deal if that was possible to retain our top 4 guys but that’s a fantasy.


Well it depends what else is included. Smart straight up for Drummond couldn’t happen salary wise. We’d have to throw in other young players and possibly a pick. Which we could do.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#1131 » by Scarletfire81 » Fri Jan 3, 2020 9:44 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Scarletfire81 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:Smart is more valuable than Drummond


Don’t get me wrong I love Smart. Drummond is averaging 17 points and 16 rebounds a game. I mean just the rebounding ability is crazy valuable.

Empty stats. Always have been. Not to mention Embiid abuses Drummond even worst than Theis.


Embiid had 20 points vs the Pistons this year, he had 38 vs us. Not to mention he may up his game playing for a contender. I’m not say I’m for it, but I would kick the tires.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#1132 » by GoCeltics123 » Fri Jan 3, 2020 9:50 pm

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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#1133 » by zoyathedestroya » Fri Jan 3, 2020 9:50 pm

Scarletfire81 wrote:
Dannyboy36 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:Smart is more valuable than Drummond


I’d jump at a Smart for Drummond deal if that was possible to retain our top 4 guys but that’s a fantasy.


Well it depends what else is included. Smart straight up for Drummond couldn’t happen salary wise. We’d have to throw in other young players and possibly a pick. Which we could do.

To make the salary work, you'd need Smart + three other players including Theis or Kanter, maybe both.

Then you have to think about likely paying Drummond the max in the offseason on top of paying Hayward if he opts out while Brown's extension kicks in. You better be sure you're winning the title with the lux tax you're about to pay for the next 3 or 4 years.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#1134 » by GoCeltics123 » Fri Jan 3, 2020 9:51 pm

Think we need the Bulpett wet blanket right about now about this
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#1135 » by SmartWentCrazy » Fri Jan 3, 2020 9:52 pm

Want nothing to do with Drummond.

Salary wise, would have to be Hayward or Smart+Kanter+Theis. Either is gross
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#1136 » by VeryMuchWoke » Fri Jan 3, 2020 9:55 pm

I wouldn't give up any core pieces for Drummond but seeing what Brad can do with Kanter makes me at least ponder what it would look like. Besides what if the team has reason to believe the nerve issue isn't going away, or that Hayward is going to opt out and look for a max if he finishes the year strong?

Again, I wouldn't do it, but it's not totally out of the realm of possibility. Under certain circumstances it could make sense.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#1137 » by CeltsfaninDC » Fri Jan 3, 2020 9:56 pm

Scarletfire81 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
Scarletfire81 wrote:I just saw Drummond is on the block. Any chance we can get Drummond without giving up our core? We have to throw in Smart though.

Smart is more valuable than Drummond


Don’t get me wrong I love Smart. Drummond is averaging 17 points and 16 rebounds a game. I mean just the rebounding ability is crazy valuable.

So you’d be willing to overpay and give up Smart and Gordon for a few extra rebounds? I wouldn't
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#1138 » by Scarletfire81 » Fri Jan 3, 2020 9:56 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:
Scarletfire81 wrote:
Dannyboy36 wrote:
I’d jump at a Smart for Drummond deal if that was possible to retain our top 4 guys but that’s a fantasy.


Well it depends what else is included. Smart straight up for Drummond couldn’t happen salary wise. We’d have to throw in other young players and possibly a pick. Which we could do.

To make the salary work, you'd need Smart + three other players including Theis or Kanter, maybe both.

Then you have to think about likely paying Drummond the max in the offseason on top of paying Hayward if he opts out while Brown's extension kicks in. You better be sure you're winning the title with the lux tax you're about to pay for the next 3 or 4 years.



Yeah, I get it’s very unlikely. Losing Smart may also mess up the chemistry since he’s well liked. I hope we can pick up another center this season if possible.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#1139 » by Celts17Pride » Fri Jan 3, 2020 9:57 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:Want nothing to do with Drummond.

Salary wise, would have to be Hayward or Smart+Kanter+Theis. Either is gross

Don't want Drummond either but it would most likely be a 3 team trade if the Celtics were interested in Drummond which I doubt.
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Re: Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20 

Post#1140 » by Scarletfire81 » Fri Jan 3, 2020 9:57 pm

CeltsfaninDC wrote:
Scarletfire81 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:Smart is more valuable than Drummond


Don’t get me wrong I love Smart. Drummond is averaging 17 points and 16 rebounds a game. I mean just the rebounding ability is crazy valuable.

So you’d be willing to overpay and give up Smart and Gordon for a few extra rebounds? I wouldn't


Smart and Gordon? No way.

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