Trade Ideas Thread

[jayu70]

John Collins isnt going to be available to us for anything less than one of Smart or Brown. Personally, I’m good on him.

Depends if Atlanta is willing to pay him

Exactly, if they dont want to keep him, a handful of picks and filler might get it done

Even if Atlanta doesn't want to keep him they aren't trading him for a 'handful of picks and fillers'. It will take a substantial deal to get him. Atlanta is trying to progress out of their rebuild next season, so low pick centric deal isn't acceptable....it has to be a player better or at least on par with Collins to make the Hawks pick up the phone.

[Darthlukey]

Depends if Atlanta is willing to pay him

Exactly, if they dont want to keep him, a handful of picks and filler might get it done

Even if Atlanta doesn't want to keep him they aren't trading him for a 'handful of picks and fillers'. It will take a substantial deal to get him. Atlanta is trying to progress out of their rebuild next season, so low pick centric deal isn't acceptable....it has to be a player better or at least on par with Collins to make the Hawks pick up the phone.

You make a really good point in terms of value, but on a standalone basis (and if the league as a whole know they dont want to keep him) why would anyone trade a better player for him? They will end up being somewhat lowballed and then in theory lose him in RFA or FA a year later

[jayu70]

Exactly, if they dont want to keep him, a handful of picks and filler might get it done

Even if Atlanta doesn't want to keep him they aren't trading him for a 'handful of picks and fillers'. It will take a substantial deal to get him. Atlanta is trying to progress out of their rebuild next season, so low pick centric deal isn't acceptable....it has to be a player better or at least on par with Collins to make the Hawks pick up the phone.

You make a really good point in terms of value, but on a standalone basis (and if the league as a whole know they dont want to keep him) why would anyone trade a better player for him? They will end up being somewhat lowballed and then in theory lose him in RFA or FA a year later

Rephrase: I'm saying the Hawks will prefer to add another smaller asset to Collins if needed for a better player to help them win.

[Darthlukey]

Even if Atlanta doesn't want to keep him they aren't trading him for a 'handful of picks and fillers'. It will take a substantial deal to get him. Atlanta is trying to progress out of their rebuild next season, so low pick centric deal isn't acceptable....it has to be a player better or at least on par with Collins to make the Hawks pick up the phone.

You make a really good point in terms of value, but on a standalone basis (and if the league as a whole know they dont want to keep him) why would anyone trade a better player for him? They will end up being somewhat lowballed and then in theory lose him in RFA or FA a year later

Rephrase: I'm saying the Hawks will prefer to add another smaller asset to Collins if needed for a better player to help them win.

Sorry, could have read between the lines myself. I really like him. I cant believe that they allegedly prefer Capella over Collins (even paying Collins the max is better value)

[jayu70]

You make a really good point in terms of value, but on a standalone basis (and if the league as a whole know they dont want to keep him) why would anyone trade a better player for him? They will end up being somewhat lowballed and then in theory lose him in RFA or FA a year later

Rephrase: I'm saying the Hawks will prefer to add another smaller asset to Collins if needed for a better player to help them win.

Sorry, could have read between the lines myself. I really like him. I cant believe that they allegedly prefer Capella over Collins (even paying Collins the max is better value)

That's not true though. Capela was brought in so that Collins doesn't have to play C. He's a natural PF that can play Center in small-ball lineups. He was forced to play more center this past season because we had stone hands Alex Len and something called a Damian Jones as the center rotation. Hawks now have Capela and Dedmon at Center. Collins is the only PF that has a guaranteed contract.

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Not that it means too much since he can't talk extension at the moment.

[Curmudgeon]

So, will Collins get free PEDs as part of the deal?

[100proof]

So, will Collins get free PEDs as part of the deal?

Does he have Lebron's Agent?

[100proof]

Some ideas for small salary savings

1) To NYK:
Romeo, Poirier, Edwards and 30th (8.6 million)
for
Denis Smith Jr and #38 (6.5 million)
Add a backup PG and some cheap depth in second round

2) to Kings:
Romeo, Poirier, Edwards and 30th (8.6 million) for #35 and either Parker (7.25 mill) or Bjelica(7.9 Mill)

3) to Kings
Kanter, Edwards, Romeo and 30th (10.1 mill) for Bjelica and #35 (7.9 mill)

4) perhaps my personal favorite
Romeo, Poirier, edwards and #30 to Minny
for
Reid, Jacob Evans and #33

This deal would shed about 5.1 million in payroll and add 2 young, cheap, deep bench replacements.
Deals opens up Vet MLE after signing picks 14, 26 and 2 second round picks

Kemba/Smart/draft pick 1
Brown/Evans/draft pick 2
Tatum/vet mle/draft pick 3
Hayward/GrantW/Timelord
Theis/Kanter/Reid

[djFan71]

Some ideas for small salary savings

1) To NYK:
Romeo, Poirier, Edwards and 30th (8.6 million)
for
Denis Smith Jr and #38 (6.5 million)
Add a backup PG and some cheap depth in second round

2) to Kings:
Romeo, Poirier, Edwards and 30th (8.6 million) for #35 and either Parker (7.25 mill) or Bjelica(7.9 Mill)

3) to Kings
Kanter, Edwards, Romeo and 30th (10.1 mill) for Bjelica and #35 (7.9 mill)

4) perhaps my personal favorite
Romeo, Poirier, edwards and #30 to Minny
for
Reid, Jacob Evans and #33

This deal would shed about 5.1 million in payroll and add 2 young, cheap, deep bench replacements.
Deals opens up Vet MLE after signing picks 14, 26 and 2 second round picks

Kemba/Smart/draft pick 1
Brown/Evans/draft pick 2
Tatum/vet mle/draft pick 3
Hayward/GrantW/Timelord
Theis/Kanter/Reid

Gotta be careful with the X for 1 type deals when trying to save money. To get to min 14 players you'll have to add vet mins in. I think the first 2 might actually cost money (unless we stop at 14).

[100proof]

Some ideas for small salary savings

1) To NYK:
Romeo, Poirier, Edwards and 30th (8.6 million)
for
Denis Smith Jr and #38 (6.5 million)
Add a backup PG and some cheap depth in second round

2) to Kings:
Romeo, Poirier, Edwards and 30th (8.6 million) for #35 and either Parker (7.25 mill) or Bjelica(7.9 Mill)

3) to Kings
Kanter, Edwards, Romeo and 30th (10.1 mill) for Bjelica and #35 (7.9 mill)

4) perhaps my personal favorite
Romeo, Poirier, edwards and #30 to Minny
for
Reid, Jacob Evans and #33

This deal would shed about 5.1 million in payroll and add 2 young, cheap, deep bench replacements.
Deals opens up Vet MLE after signing picks 14, 26 and 2 second round picks

Kemba/Smart/draft pick 1
Brown/Evans/draft pick 2
Tatum/vet mle/draft pick 3
Hayward/GrantW/Timelord
Theis/Kanter/Reid

Gotta be careful with the X for 1 type deals when trying to save money. To get to min 14 players you'll have to add vet mins in. I think the first 2 might actually cost money (unless we stop at 14).

In regards to the 1st: Would be losing 2.1 mill in salary, replacing that with 2 vet mins. Should save a few, but not much.

2nd, yeah, really lose money on it.

[100proof]

Dallas in:
Kemba, Poirier, Bucks first #30
out
THJ, Brunson, Wright, #18, #31
Dallas gets a PG they really wanted last season, also shed alot of salary comittments moving forward opening up the door for a 3rd max contract in 2021 season.


Charlotte in:
Romeo, Powell, Edwards, Boston 1st #26, Boston 2020 2nd
out: TPE
Charlotte adds some young pieces and an additional pick into their capspace

Detroit in:
Wright, GSW Second #31, Brooklyn 2nd #47
out: TPE
Detroit adds a Casey guy and a couple of 2nds

Boston out: Kemba, Romeo, Poirier, Edwards, #26, both seconds
in:
THJ, Brunswon, #18, 2 TPEs each worth about 11 million

Boston sheds the lux tax, opens up an MLE deal and jumps up in the draft. Also add a legit bench. 1 TPE is renounced to get below Lux line and open up MLE, the other can be used in a trade for a salary.

TPE Trade with Semi for a salary between 2 and 14 million, est.
MLE signing
#14
#18
to add to the below listed

Smart/Brunson/Waters
Brown/THJ
Hayward/Semi
Tatum/GrantW
Theis/Kanter/Timelord

[djFan71]

Spoiler:

Some ideas for small salary savings

1) To NYK:
Romeo, Poirier, Edwards and 30th (8.6 million)
for
Denis Smith Jr and #38 (6.5 million)
Add a backup PG and some cheap depth in second round

2) to Kings:
Romeo, Poirier, Edwards and 30th (8.6 million) for #35 and either Parker (7.25 mill) or Bjelica(7.9 Mill)

3) to Kings
Kanter, Edwards, Romeo and 30th (10.1 mill) for Bjelica and #35 (7.9 mill)

4) perhaps my personal favorite
Romeo, Poirier, edwards and #30 to Minny
for
Reid, Jacob Evans and #33

This deal would shed about 5.1 million in payroll and add 2 young, cheap, deep bench replacements.
Deals opens up Vet MLE after signing picks 14, 26 and 2 second round picks

Kemba/Smart/draft pick 1
Brown/Evans/draft pick 2
Tatum/vet mle/draft pick 3
Hayward/GrantW/Timelord
Theis/Kanter/Reid

Gotta be careful with the X for 1 type deals when trying to save money. To get to min 14 players you'll have to add vet mins in. I think the first 2 might actually cost money (unless we stop at 14).

In regards to the 1st: Would be losing 2.1 mill in salary, replacing that with 2 vet mins. Should save a few, but not much.

2nd, yeah, really lose money on it.

Just for completeness, vet mins are around $1.6M so 2 would be more than the money saved, but technically you only need to replace 1 to get to 14, so you could say it saves $0.5M

[100proof]

Here are some ideas to create roster space and shedding a couple of million dollars.

Orlando/Minny/Boston
James Johnson, Carsen Edwards, #18(minny) #30(Boston) to Orlando
Aaron Gordon, Vincent Poirier, #47(boston) to Minny
Naz Reid, #33 (Minny) to Boston

Orlando gets an expiring and 2 first rounders and a young kid for Gordon and Tank the year
Minny gets their PF they really like
Boston sheds some money and takes a gamble on Reid. (shed 4 mill in salary with the pick)



Kemba/Thomas/Lewis
Brown/Smart/Romeo
Hayward/Ramsey/Joe
Tatum/GrantW/Timelord
Theis/Reid/Kanter

Use picks 14 (Kira Lewis), 26 (Ramsey) and 33 (Joe) and Vet Min (Isaiah Thomas) to round out swing and ball handler positions.

Team would be sitting on about 145 million in payroll (assuming Hayward opts in at 34 million and Kanter opts in) So at some point in the season a deal for cap savings may need to be done (Romeo)

[La Flame]

Dallas in:
Kemba, Poirier, Bucks first #30
out
THJ, Brunson, Wright, #18, #31
Dallas gets a PG they really wanted last season, also shed alot of salary comittments moving forward opening up the door for a 3rd max contract in 2021 season.


Charlotte in:
Romeo, Powell, Edwards, Boston 1st #26, Boston 2020 2nd
out: TPE
Charlotte adds some young pieces and an additional pick into their capspace

Detroit in:
Wright, GSW Second #31, Brooklyn 2nd #47
out: TPE
Detroit adds a Casey guy and a couple of 2nds

Boston out: Kemba, Romeo, Poirier, Edwards, #26, both seconds
in:
THJ, Brunswon, #18, 2 TPEs each worth about 11 million

Boston sheds the lux tax, opens up an MLE deal and jumps up in the draft. Also add a legit bench. 1 TPE is renounced to get below Lux line and open up MLE, the other can be used in a trade for a salary.

TPE Trade with Semi for a salary between 2 and 14 million, est.
MLE signing
#14
#18
to add to the below listed

Smart/Brunson/Waters
Brown/THJ
Hayward/Semi
Tatum/GrantW
Theis/Kanter/Timelord

Yeah bro hellllllllllllllllll naaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[Parliament10]

So what's the deal; we still leaning toward Trading Hayward?

Since Smitty brought up that:
"the current 'favorite' for the cap is that the cap stays at ~$109M, but that the luxury tax line goes up to the projected ~139M."
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2000013

Maybe we don't have to rush and Trade Hayward?
Maybe not on Draft Night; maybe not at all?

[100proof]

So what's the deal; we still leaning toward Trading Hayward?

Since Smitty brought up that:
"the current 'favorite' for the cap is that the cap stays at ~$109M, but that the luxury tax line goes up to the projected ~139M."
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2000013

Maybe we don't have to rush and Trade Hayward?
Maybe not on Draft Night; maybe not at all?

Or maybe we do anyways!

Hayward+ picks from Philly and Utah and Boston to LAC
George and Horford to Utah (Out Gobert, Conley and a first)
Conley, Poirier to Philly (out Horford and their 1st)
Gobert to Boston (Out Hayward, Poirier and a first)

Who says no???

Everyone? Maybe
no one? Sure why not!

[SmartWentCrazy]

So what's the deal; we still leaning toward Trading Hayward?

Since Smitty brought up that:
"the current 'favorite' for the cap is that the cap stays at ~$109M, but that the luxury tax line goes up to the projected ~139M."
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2000013

Maybe we don't have to rush and Trade Hayward?
Maybe not on Draft Night; maybe not at all?

If the tax is 139, we wont have to make any major moves.

[SmartWentCrazy]

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This is Simmons, IMO.

D’Antoni can make an awesome offense built around Embiid— he’s the Harden of Centers and elite in the post. He cannot make one built around a PG that cannot shoot.

[leper-con]

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This is Simmons, IMO.

D’Antoni can make an awesome offense built around Embiid— he’s the Harden of Centers and elite in the post. He cannot make one built around a PG that cannot shoot.

Phillie has no plan. 3 different Gm's with different philosophies in what 5 years.
Now going radical with D"Antoni.
That franchise is a dumpster fire. Someone is about to rip them off good.

[MagicBagley18]

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This is Simmons, IMO.

D’Antoni can make an awesome offense built around Embiid— he’s the Harden of Centers and elite in the post. He cannot make one built around a PG that cannot shoot.

I think sixers will want to move on from embiid...think his lack of conditioning and complaining and tweeting things is tiring. While Simmons can’t shoot your correct you can use the embiid return to put shooters with him and he most def can run an uptempo fast pace system