2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 -- (8PM, Wed, Nov. 18, ESPN)

[Curmudgeon]

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Would LOVE him at 30. Gilbert Arenas has a great podcast where he mentioned that he routinely killed NBA guys like KCP in summer league pickup at UCLA. Called him a pro.

he may or may not be a good Pro one day, I don't know. But vertical leap is so overrated. just look at the top 2 jumpers and there NBA career. Diallo barely plays and I have never heard of Gregory,

Yeah, it helps to actually know how to play basketball. What's Nikola Jokic's vertical leap? LOL, last year Jokic had more triple doubles than dunks.

[snowman]

Saddiq Bey reminds me of Jared Dudley, in all the good ways. He's just gonna help teams win.

LOL, sounds like a backhanded compliment, I think R Covington is a close floor/ceiling.

He’s a better man defender/worse team defender than RoCo, but its an interesting comp. I pegged him as a Crowder type, but RoCo works too.

His ceiling is elite role player and his floor is good role player— with the expedited offseason, he’s the guy I’m most confident that would play actual minutes if we drafted him [and, in turn, be the guy I’m most confident in hitting his ceiling here]. He can switch guard 1-3 and sometimes even upwards of 4’s and seems to be able to hit the three. We’re missing that right now on our roster.

I have been calling for Saddiq Bey at 14 since this thread started. I think he fills a lot of holes we have. He should be able to play right away, and I think Covington is a good comp too. I would much rather have Bey backing up Hayward than anyone else on this roster. He will be a terrific 3 & D player off the bench. He can also run with Kemba, Tatum and Brown really good as a spot up 3 shooter.

[Homerclease]

Udoka Azubuike looks like he will be a decent player in the NBA. Why is he projected to go in early 2nd round in most mock drafts?

simple answer he is old school type of BIGMAN talent, Just look at what happened with Jahil Okofor,

I would rather give every one of his minutes to Tacko instead.

Doke is great at what he does but he only does a few things, he can score near the basket and he can defend the paint. If you want someone to switch onto a PG he can't do that, hit a jumper, Nope. However He dominates the 6 feet around the basket on both ends. If you are cool with just that he is a solid choice. He would be great to have against an Embiid or AD type but Bam will run around him.

And that’s exactly what I’m looking for out of pick 30 tbh. Kid has legit NBA size and legit NBA skill on defense. He’s gonna be able to paint protect and rebound at a NBA level from day one which is something that we’ve struggled with in the past. Not much more than a garbage man on offense really but given our style of play that’s all we really need.

[Curmudgeon]

I want Merrill, the kid from Utah State, with #30. He's got only one skill, plus decent defense. But it's a skill this team sorely needs. Sniper from long range and a 90% free throw shooter.

[themoneyteam2]

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Would LOVE him at 30. Gilbert Arenas has a great podcast where he mentioned that he routinely killed NBA guys like KCP in summer league pickup at UCLA. Called him a pro.

he may or may not be a good Pro one day, I don't know. But vertical leap is so overrated. just look at the top 2 jumpers and there NBA career. Diallo barely plays and I have never heard of Gregory,

I don't give a **** about vertical jump but Stanley is a freak athlete. Just posted this tweet to talk about him lol

[AgentGreen]

Sky's the limit for this young dawg. Way ahead for his age mentally and physically.

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[threrf23]

I want Merrill, the kid from Utah State, with #30. He's got only one skill, plus decent defense. But it's a skill this team sorely needs. Sniper from long range and a 90% free throw shooter.

Can he defend the wing?

If you are primarily concerned with shooting, you take Markus Howard IMO. A few years from now he is most likely the best shooter in the NBA.

Trivia questions:

Name collegiate players, since '92, who took more than four threes per game and shot better than 54% from 3, while playing in a major conference (min 10 games played).

Markus Howard is the only one, and he did it as a tiny 17 year old freshman.

Since '92, name major conference collegiate freshman to shoot better than 50% from three while taking at least 100 attempts.

There are two answers: Steve Novak and Markus Howard. Howard was younger, was tiny, he took more shots per minute, and he shot 54.7% as opposed to 50.5% for Novak.

Name collegiate players to take more than 10 threes per 40 and exceed 40% for two consecutive seasons.

There are two answers I am aware of: Steph Curry, Markus Howard.

Name players to take more than 10 threes per 40 and exceed 40% for three consecutive seasons.

There is one player I am aware of: Markus Howard.

Name collegiate players under the age of 21 to score more than 25 ppg while hitting more than three 3s per game.

Steph Curry, Trae Young, Markus Howard

Name collegiate players under the age of 21 to score more than 25 ppg while hitting more than three 3s per game in consecutive seasons.

Markus Howard

And since I know some look to FT%, name underclassmen who averaged at least three FTs per game while shooting better than 93% from the FT line while shooting at least 40% from three.

Markus Howard is the only one, although JJ Redick and Blake Ahearn would count if you rounded up their 3pt% to 40.

From an analytical standpoint, Markus Howard is arguably the best three point shooter in the history of college basketball, and by a decent margin. Guys like Steve Novak and Kyle Korver were arguably more impressive, but Howard is in a Steph Curry mold. And if we are solely talking three point shot, he is statistically a better Steph Curry. And if you go back to his freshman year when he was likely used more often as a spot up shooter, he put guys like Novak and Korver to shame...

For that reason alone, I feel he should be spoken of as a potential lottery pick.

[ConstableGeneva]

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simple answer he is old school type of BIGMAN talent, Just look at what happened with Jahil Okofor,

I would rather give every one of his minutes to Tacko instead.

Doke is great at what he does but he only does a few things, he can score near the basket and he can defend the paint. If you want someone to switch onto a PG he can't do that, hit a jumper, Nope. However He dominates the 6 feet around the basket on both ends. If you are cool with just that he is a solid choice. He would be great to have against an Embiid or AD type but Bam will run around him.

And that’s exactly what I’m looking for out of pick 30 tbh. Kid has legit NBA size and legit NBA skill on defense. He’s gonna be able to paint protect and rebound at a NBA level from day one which is something that we’ve struggled with in the past. Not much more than a garbage man on offense really but given our style of play that’s all we really need.

He will be a good rim runner too out of the pick and roll, highest FG% in NCAA history. cuz with that 7'7 Wingspan he dunks everything. Also to his credit he put in the work and transformed his body to gain speed he was MUCH faster then the start of his career and he is still relativly young, he started college early.

[Spin Move]

There is a divergence in thought on this board on how to approach #14. I see this is our last decent chance at a star quality player and think we should shoot for upside others are saying we should shoot for role player (ala Saddiq Bey). I am in the first camp, I can find a good role player any year, we won't be picking at 14 again in the foreseeable future. I am much more shoot for the stars be it Nesmith or hampton (who i do not like and do not want us to draft) or even a J smith or Achiwu vs a Bey or Williams type, I am sure both those guys will be solid NBA players but Jae Crowders are not what win titles, you can find Jae Crowders. Give me a guy with something unique, Nesmith's shooting, Achiwu's athleticism Smith's versatility. If you want a 3 and D guy package 26 and 47 to move up 3 or 4 spots there will be 3 and D guys at 23.

[threrf23]

A good read on Vassell:

https://valleytales.substack.com/p/devin-vassells-former-coach-this

[Curmudgeon]

I want Merrill, the kid from Utah State, with #30. He's got only one skill, plus decent defense. But it's a skill this team sorely needs. Sniper from long range and a 90% free throw shooter.

Can he defend the wing?

He could in college; he's 6-5. In the pros, who knows?

As for Markus Howard, he's just the next Carsten Edwards, but Edwards is probably better.

[GoGreen]

A good read on Vassell:

https://valleytales.substack.com/p/devin-vassells-former-coach-this

I really like Vassell a lot. He'll be gone unless the Cs can trade up, though. Him, Tatum and Brown would be a hell of a core for years to come imo.

[Bad-Thoma]

I want Merrill, the kid from Utah State, with #30. He's got only one skill, plus decent defense. But it's a skill this team sorely needs. Sniper from long range and a 90% free throw shooter.

Can he defend the wing?

If you are primarily concerned with shooting, you take Markus Howard IMO. A few years from now he is most likely the best shooter in the NBA.

Trivia questions:

Name collegiate players, since '92, who took more than four threes per game and shot better than 54% from 3, while playing in a major conference (min 10 games played).

Markus Howard is the only one, and he did it as a tiny 17 year old freshman.

Since '92, name major conference collegiate freshman to shoot better than 50% from three while taking at least 100 attempts.

There are two answers: Steve Novak and Markus Howard. Howard was younger, was tiny, he took more shots per minute, and he shot 54.7% as opposed to 50.5% for Novak.

Name collegiate players to take more than 10 threes per 40 and exceed 40% for two consecutive seasons.

There are two answers I am aware of: Steph Curry, Markus Howard.

Name players to take more than 10 threes per 40 and exceed 40% for three consecutive seasons.

There is one player I am aware of: Markus Howard.

Name collegiate players under the age of 21 to score more than 25 ppg while hitting more than three 3s per game.

Steph Curry, Trae Young, Markus Howard

Name collegiate players under the age of 21 to score more than 25 ppg while hitting more than three 3s per game in consecutive seasons.

Markus Howard

And since I know some look to FT%, name underclassmen who averaged at least three FTs per game while shooting better than 93% from the FT line while shooting at least 40% from three.

Markus Howard is the only one, although JJ Redick and Blake Ahearn would count if you rounded up their 3pt% to 40.

From an analytical standpoint, Markus Howard is arguably the best three point shooter in the history of college basketball, and by a decent margin. Guys like Steve Novak and Kyle Korver were arguably more impressive, but Howard is in a Steph Curry mold. And if we are solely talking three point shot, he is statistically a better Steph Curry. And if you go back to his freshman year when he was likely used more often as a spot up shooter, he put guys like Novak and Korver to shame...

For that reason alone, I feel he should be spoken of as a potential lottery pick.

I don't know anything about him but I had to give a +1 for the breakdown

[Curmudgeon]

Makus Howard is 5-11 and impossible to hide on defense. He also averaged only 3 assists per game in spite of a usage rate of over 40%. No thanks.

[Bill Lumbergh]

There is a divergence in thought on this board on how to approach #14. I see this is our last decent chance at a star quality player and think we should shoot for upside others are saying we should shoot for role player (ala Saddiq Bey). I am in the first camp, I can find a good role player any year, we won't be picking at 14 again in the foreseeable future. I am much more shoot for the stars be it Nesmith or hampton (who i do not like and do not want us to draft) or even a J smith or Achiwu vs a Bey or Williams type, I am sure both those guys will be solid NBA players but Jae Crowders are not what win titles, you can find Jae Crowders. Give me a guy with something unique, Nesmith's shooting, Achiwu's athleticism Smith's versatility. If you want a 3 and D guy package 26 and 47 to move up 3 or 4 spots there will be 3 and D guys at 23.

I am with you. The high upside guys that might be available at 14, to me, seem like Kira Lewis and Achiuwa. Maybe put Jalen Smith in there, too. I want to swing for the upside, too. You can get role players later.

[Bill Lumbergh]

I want Merrill, the kid from Utah State, with #30. He's got only one skill, plus decent defense. But it's a skill this team sorely needs. Sniper from long range and a 90% free throw shooter.

Can he defend the wing?

He could in college; he's 6-5. In the pros, who knows?

As for Markus Howard, he's just the next Carsten Edwards, but Edwards is probably better.

He looks more like IT than Edwards to me.

[return2glory]

Stanley. Amazing leaping ability. I usually don’t like players like this is the NBA. Most of it doesn’t translate in the NBA game. Look at guys like Gerald Green. 6’8 and can jump out of the jump yet can’t rebound or block shots. Semi is another guy that could really jump coming into the league. Like Green, hardly can dunk in games or use his leaping ability to his advantage in getting rebounds and blocks.

Stanley can really sky. But he is also a great athlete. He is really fast and has a quick leap. He dunks in games because of his speed and quickness. He looks to have a good 3 point shot and decent handles. I think he will be one of those players that will be better at the next level. Not sure about how good his work ethic is. But he looks promising and underrated.

[captain green]

For the love of a cheese can someone explain after watching the playoffs why are some of you wanting tiny people on our team? Explain it to me ? No playing time, last lottery pick, and this is the nba not NCAA.

[GoCeltics123]

For the love of a cheese can someone explain after watching the playoffs why are some of you wanting tiny people on our team? Explain it to me ? No playing time, last lottery pick, and this is the nba not NCAA.

Rajon Rondo is a tiny person, and he dominated the playoffs