"We Tried So Hard, and (Haven't) Got so Far, But in the End, It Doesn't Even Matter" Trade Thread

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Sorry guys, you're stuck with him for now.

Whose idea was it to film radio shows anyways? These dudes are on the radio for a reason. I don’t need to see what these guys look like. Lol

Zolak looks just like he sounds —jfc, indoor shades!

[MagicBagley18]

I just see no way we get Collins, we're going to be outbid for him by another team like Minnesota

It’s the annual pie in the sky name we get every year that has no chance of happening

We could be outbid. But by Minnesota?

I’m not sure of their draft pick situation other than golden state gets it if it’s past top 3 this year but couldn’t u see Minnesota being dumb enough to throw 2 unprotected 1sts or something stupid at Atlanta or even Malik Beasley now that the hawks want a wing and a pick

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

now hearing the John Collins interest from Boston is very real. I asked why when considering that Collins has already turned down so much money....Here's the reasoning I got.

#1- Ainge can keep the large Hayward TPE for offseason which is ideal
#2- Celts feel like if he comes here, does well, and likes it that he would be more receptive to taking a reasonable extension.
#3- They like his game and fit with the J's
#4- If they cannot come to agreement with him beyond this year they can work out a S&T

So basically for Boston this is all going to come down to what Atlanta wants back in return and if it's reasonable.

I’m sure interest is real but we don’t have high level picks, they wanna make the playoffs, and I think they’ll get a better deal elsewhere If they move him at all

I think the Hawks are bluffing about their desire for a high pick. I think that they’d probably prefer to get players to win immediately. Ownership wants to make the playoffs. They spent all this money on Gallo, Bogdanovic, Rondo, and Dunn, and they fired Pierce already. Adding a lottery pick in addition to Okongwu, Huerter, Hunter and Young might help in the future, but won’t produce immediate results. Collins is ours if Ainge trades Smart.....which I hope he doesn’t.

[Bad-Thoma]

Okay you nerds.

Smart or Timelord.

If you could only keep one.

[Feed Your Head]

ddb is right, the interest in Collins is VERY real.

Doesn’t mean they will get him, but they badly want to pair him with the Jays.

[Curmudgeon]

The person who is bluffing is Myles Turner's agent, trying to drum up interest in his client who must be tired of playing second fidsdle to Sabonis.

[CeltsfaninDC]

now hearing the John Collins interest from Boston is very real. I asked why when considering that Collins has already turned down so much money....Here's the reasoning I got.

#1- Ainge can keep the large Hayward TPE for offseason which is ideal
#2- Celts feel like if he comes here, does well, and likes it that he would be more receptive to taking a reasonable extension.
#3- They like his game and fit with the J's
#4- If they cannot come to agreement with him beyond this year they can work out a S&T

So basically for Boston this is all going to come down to what Atlanta wants back in return and if it's reasonable.

And what exactly are we giving up for this rental? What would ATL think would be reasonable here?

[MagicBagley18]

Malik Beasley+ pick (s) for snell and Collins

[fallguy]

ddb is right, the interest in Collins is VERY real.

Doesn’t mean they will get him, but they badly want to pair him with the Jays.

This post feels... informed.

[djFan71]

This one's for Ernest and all the TT haters out there:

Rondo & Collins for TT, Romeo & 21 first.

Spoiler:

Screw Klutch

[ddb]

now hearing the John Collins interest from Boston is very real. I asked why when considering that Collins has already turned down so much money....Here's the reasoning I got.

#1- Ainge can keep the large Hayward TPE for offseason which is ideal
#2- Celts feel like if he comes here, does well, and likes it that he would be more receptive to taking a reasonable extension.
#3- They like his game and fit with the J's
#4- If they cannot come to agreement with him beyond this year they can work out a S&T

So basically for Boston this is all going to come down to what Atlanta wants back in return and if it's reasonable.

In the beginning of the offseason, danny said he's looking for a big, who can play both the 4 and the 5 (which is why he went after millsap) so it makes sense.

But the S&T math doesnt work with Kemba on the roster. To execute a sign & trade, they need to stay under the hard cap which is essentially impossible with Kemba on the roster next year.

they could probably move Kemba if need be this offseason a bit easier as he will have less duration on contract at that time. if they attach something to him to a team with space it could work out. Owners have also said they are willing to pay the tax for a winner. so for a season or two I could see them doing so for a shot at a ring

[djFan71]

But the S&T math doesnt work with Kemba on the roster. To execute a sign & trade, they need to stay under the hard cap which is essentially impossible with Kemba on the roster next year.

Does the team sending the player out get hard-capped? I thought it was just the team receiving the player. In this scenario we'd have Collins and S&T him elsewhere if we can't agree on terms, right?

[ddb]

now hearing the John Collins interest from Boston is very real. I asked why when considering that Collins has already turned down so much money....Here's the reasoning I got.

#1- Ainge can keep the large Hayward TPE for offseason which is ideal
#2- Celts feel like if he comes here, does well, and likes it that he would be more receptive to taking a reasonable extension.
#3- They like his game and fit with the J's
#4- If they cannot come to agreement with him beyond this year they can work out a S&T

So basically for Boston this is all going to come down to what Atlanta wants back in return and if it's reasonable.

If Smart is going, then I won’t be happy. My silver lining will be the fact that I will be able to buy a Smart jersey on sale.

If I’m the Hawks, I’m asking for Timelord, a pick, and Smart.

I think even Atlanta knows that isn't happening. no way in hell. I do not see Smart or Timelord being traded. It would be between Nesmith & Langford and I'm sure the sticky point is Atlanta wants a first and Ainge is probably trying to sell them on 2 2nds or Grant

[yeleven11]

But the S&T math doesnt work with Kemba on the roster. To execute a sign & trade, they need to stay under the hard cap which is essentially impossible with Kemba on the roster next year.

Does the team sending the player out get hard-capped? I thought it was just the team receiving the player. In this scenario we'd have Collins and S&T him elsewhere if we can't agree on terms, right?

Both teams who do the s&T get hard capped I thought. We were technically hard capped last year after the Rozier Kemba S&T

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

This one's for Ernest and all the TT haters out there:

Rondo & Collins for TT, Romeo & 21 first.

Spoiler:

Screw Klutch

This. I don’t know why people are so scared of pissing off that midget, Rich Paul. He already screwed us out of AD. **** him.

[ddb]

Okay you nerds.

Smart or Timelord.

If you could only keep one.

Smart stays no question. I would do Timelord for Collins but remember that Atlanta already has Two similar centers on their roster.

[ILC]

now hearing the John Collins interest from Boston is very real. I asked why when considering that Collins has already turned down so much money....Here's the reasoning I got.

#1- Ainge can keep the large Hayward TPE for offseason which is ideal
#2- Celts feel like if he comes here, does well, and likes it that he would be more receptive to taking a reasonable extension.
#3- They like his game and fit with the J's
#4- If they cannot come to agreement with him beyond this year they can work out a S&T

So basically for Boston this is all going to come down to what Atlanta wants back in return and if it's reasonable.

Any mention of Rondo coming back in the deal?

[Feed Your Head]

ddb is right, the interest in Collins is VERY real.

Doesn’t mean they will get him, but they badly want to pair him with the Jays.

This post feels... informed.

Call it semi informed. It’s why yesterday I told
GoCelts123 that he shouldn’t be so quick to rule out the Collins thing.

Do not hold me to it lol, just passing it along that they are interested in him. Not exactly breaking news, he’s a great fit with the Jays.

[ddb]

now hearing the John Collins interest from Boston is very real. I asked why when considering that Collins has already turned down so much money....Here's the reasoning I got.

#1- Ainge can keep the large Hayward TPE for offseason which is ideal
#2- Celts feel like if he comes here, does well, and likes it that he would be more receptive to taking a reasonable extension.
#3- They like his game and fit with the J's
#4- If they cannot come to agreement with him beyond this year they can work out a S&T

So basically for Boston this is all going to come down to what Atlanta wants back in return and if it's reasonable.

And what exactly are we giving up for this rental? What would ATL think would be reasonable here?

Nesmith or Langford, Grant, 2 2nds.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

now hearing the John Collins interest from Boston is very real. I asked why when considering that Collins has already turned down so much money....Here's the reasoning I got.

#1- Ainge can keep the large Hayward TPE for offseason which is ideal
#2- Celts feel like if he comes here, does well, and likes it that he would be more receptive to taking a reasonable extension.
#3- They like his game and fit with the J's
#4- If they cannot come to agreement with him beyond this year they can work out a S&T

So basically for Boston this is all going to come down to what Atlanta wants back in return and if it's reasonable.

If Smart is going, then I won’t be happy. My silver lining will be the fact that I will be able to buy a Smart jersey on sale.

If I’m the Hawks, I’m asking for Timelord, a pick, and Smart.

I think even Atlanta knows that isn't happening. no way in hell. I do not see Smart or Timelord being traded. It would be between Nesmith & Langford and I'm sure the sticky point is Atlanta wants a first and Ainge is probably trying to sell them on 2 2nds or Grant

If a first and Nesmith or Langford is enough to get the job done, you don’t let Schlenk off the phone before he changes his mind. You call the league office immediately for a trade call while you text Langford or Nesmith with your other phone to thank them for their time in Boston.