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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Off-Season Thread 

Post#1121 » by LarryBirdsFingr » Sun Aug 15, 2021 2:46 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:LOL, Pritchard left Summer league and then promptly dropped 92 in Jamal Crawford's pro am league. Puts IT's 81 points into perspective. And LOL, Pritchard's "previous commitment" involved more basketball. Why am I not surprised?
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Off-Season Thread 

Post#1122 » by darrendaye » Sun Aug 15, 2021 2:46 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:LOL, Pritchard left Summer league and then promptly dropped 92 in Jamal Crawford's pro am league. Puts IT's 81 points into perspective. And LOL, Pritchard's "previous commitment" involved more basketball. Why am I not surprised?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/payton-pritchard-puts-up-92-points-in-portland-pro-am-game/ar-AANllOO?ocid=msedgntp


Not sure if this was meant as a knock on him for playing in this tournament, but, it was in Portland. I'm sure he felt he needed to give something back home. I've got no issue.
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Off-Season Thread 

Post#1123 » by moonie_mcgee » Mon Aug 16, 2021 1:17 am

darrendaye wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:LOL, Pritchard left Summer league and then promptly dropped 92 in Jamal Crawford's pro am league. Puts IT's 81 points into perspective. And LOL, Pritchard's "previous commitment" involved more basketball. Why am I not surprised?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/payton-pritchard-puts-up-92-points-in-portland-pro-am-game/ar-AANllOO?ocid=msedgntp


Not sure if this was meant as a knock on him for playing in this tournament, but, it was in Portland. I'm sure he felt he needed to give something back home. I've got no issue.


Could've been for charity too. Maybe he was the draw to raise alot of money for a worthy cause. Let's see how the other guys respond without their best player's contribution. Non issue for me. Oh and PP played the most games for us last year so although I'm glad he played in SL and we saw his progression, we found out he didn't really need to.
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Off-Season Thread 

Post#1124 » by Curmudgeon » Mon Aug 16, 2021 1:55 am

Obviously he had promised to play in Portland. No big deal. But that effortless half court trey, now that was big-- Steph Curry stuff.
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Post#1126 » by Fierce1 » Mon Aug 16, 2021 4:37 am

Nesmith and Pritchard are going to be more than just role players.

I really hope the Celts keep both.
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Post#1128 » by Larry_Russell » Tue Aug 17, 2021 7:20 pm

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Post#1129 » by sam_I_am » Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:05 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:;ab_channel=TomaszKordylewski


I expected a 10 page thread on Marcus Smart signing and this is all we got here today.
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Post#1130 » by Scarletfire81 » Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:28 pm

sam_I_am wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:;ab_channel=TomaszKordylewski


I expected a 10 page thread on Marcus Smart signing and this is all we got here today.


This site was down for awhile. I think some posts were deleted too.
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Post#1131 » by FlatearthZorro » Tue Aug 17, 2021 9:34 pm

Scarletfire81 wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:;ab_channel=TomaszKordylewski


I expected a 10 page thread on Marcus Smart signing and this is all we got here today.


This site was down for awhile. I think some posts were deleted too.


It was rolled back, not deleted. They probably had tech difficulties.
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Post#1132 » by Hal14 » Tue Aug 17, 2021 10:24 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:;ab_channel=TomaszKordylewski

Watching this video, you get the sense that Smart feeds off the energy of the crowd, especially the crowd in Boston. So you can kind of understand how the pandemic / no fans could have played a role in him not being as good this past season..
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Off-Season Thread 

Post#1133 » by Parliament10 » Tue Aug 17, 2021 10:43 pm

FlatearthZorro wrote:
Scarletfire81 wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:
I expected a 10 page thread on Marcus Smart signing and this is all we got here today.


This site was down for awhile. I think some posts were deleted too.


It was rolled back, not deleted. They probably had tech difficulties.

Yeah. We lost a number of hours of Posts.
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Post#1134 » by Bill Lumbergh » Wed Aug 18, 2021 12:29 am

Just for giggles, if you never saw this guy play, he was pretty damn good.

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Post#1135 » by snowman » Wed Aug 18, 2021 1:20 am

IMO, I expect Boston to make a few small moves before and/or during training camp to move us back under the lux tax threshold and to keep the clock starting on the repeater tax an extra year away.

According to Spotrac:
143,214,558.00 current salary with 15 regular salaries and 1 non-guaranteed salary.
136,606,000.00 2012 /2022 lux tax threshold
6,608,558.00 over lux tax threshold

Move 1)
Trade Dunn and a 2nd round pick to OKC for a top 55 protected pick (fake pick). Likely very easy to do. Leaves 14 regular contracts and 1 non guaranteed contract.
6,608,558.00 over lux tax threshold
5,005,350.00 Dunn's salary
1,603,208.00 updated over lux tax threshold

Move 2)
release Jabari Parker, and his non guaranteed 2,283,034.00 Again, very easy to do. Leaves 14 regular contracts.
1,603,208.00 updated over lux tax threshold
2,283,034.00 Parker's non guaranteed salary
679,826.00 Under lux tax threshold, but with 14 players under contract.

Brad could stop here and be under the lux tax, but I don't think he will.

Move 3)
Trade Edwards and cash (2 million) to cover his 1,782,621.00 to any team plus a bit extra for doing the paper work.
679,826.00 under the lux tax
1,782,621.00 Edwards salary
2,462,447.00 under lux tax threshold with 13 players under contract

Move 4)
sign one of Madar, Hauser or Begarin to a minimum rookie contract
2,462,447.00 under lux tax threshold
925,258.00 minimum salary for 2021/2022 rookie contract
1,537,189.00 under lux tax threshold with 14 players under contract.

Move 5)
Using the TPE from the Moses Brown trade (1,701,593.00 TPE) to trade for a player making under 1,537,189.00 to remain under lux tax threshold and get to 15 player under contracts. Just an example, Anthony Gill, PF Wash Wizards, or Daniel Oturu, PF/C just traded to Memphis. Not that I want these guys, just using them as an an example salary wise. I did want Danny to draft Oturu at the time though.
1,537,189.00 under lux tax threshold
1,517,981.00 Anthony Gill or Daniel Oturu's salary
19,208.00 under lux tax with 15 players under contract.
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Off-Season Thread 

Post#1136 » by return2glory » Wed Aug 18, 2021 4:07 am

After Kemba and Fournier were gone, this became a lottery team.

Adding Schroder, Richardson, Horford and Kanter gives this team a chance to be pretty good this season.

We still need a guy that's 6'8 or taller that can shot 3s and defend, in order for us to be scary.
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Post#1137 » by Larry_Russell » Wed Aug 18, 2021 1:02 pm

return2glory wrote:After Kemba and Fournier were gone, this became a lottery team.

Adding Schroder, Richardson, Horford and Kanter gives this team a chance to be pretty good this season.

We still need a guy that's 6'8 or taller that can shot 3s and defend, in order for us to be scary.



Tatum, Brown, Smart, Horford, Rob Williams, Pritchard and Nesmith is not a lotto team.
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Post#1138 » by FlatearthZorro » Wed Aug 18, 2021 1:49 pm

NuckyPowell wrote:Just for giggles, if you never saw this guy play, he was pretty damn good.

Read on Twitter
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LBJ's entire narrative is all about him. if you win playing with LBJ, it's cause LBJ is that great. If you lose, it's your fault, it's not his fault. You could argue that if Bird had full 12 healthy seasons, he'd have a better career than LBJ has had in around 20. Bird's best season >>> LBJ's best season. James is a product of the NBA propaganda. He's great, but he's nowhere near Jordan, hell I'm not sure he's better than Duncan.

Back on topic, I still want Anderson, I feel like he's gonna be on the move.
Good assessment:

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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Off-Season Thread 

Post#1139 » by TheOGJabroni » Wed Aug 18, 2021 2:05 pm

snowman wrote:IMO, I expect Boston to make a few small moves before and/or during training camp to move us back under the lux tax threshold and to keep the clock starting on the repeater tax an extra year away.

According to Spotrac:
143,214,558.00 current salary with 15 regular salaries and 1 non-guaranteed salary.
136,606,000.00 2012 /2022 lux tax threshold
6,608,558.00 over lux tax threshold

Move 1)
Trade Dunn and a 2nd round pick to OKC for a top 55 protected pick (fake pick). Likely very easy to do. Leaves 14 regular contracts and 1 non guaranteed contract.
6,608,558.00 over lux tax threshold
5,005,350.00 Dunn's salary
1,603,208.00 updated over lux tax threshold

Move 2)
release Jabari Parker, and his non guaranteed 2,283,034.00 Again, very easy to do. Leaves 14 regular contracts.
1,603,208.00 updated over lux tax threshold
2,283,034.00 Parker's non guaranteed salary
679,826.00 Under lux tax threshold, but with 14 players under contract.

Brad could stop here and be under the lux tax, but I don't think he will.

Move 3)
Trade Edwards and cash (2 million) to cover his 1,782,621.00 to any team plus a bit extra for doing the paper work.
679,826.00 under the lux tax
1,782,621.00 Edwards salary
2,462,447.00 under lux tax threshold with 13 players under contract

Move 4)
sign one of Madar, Hauser or Begarin to a minimum rookie contract
2,462,447.00 under lux tax threshold
925,258.00 minimum salary for 2021/2022 rookie contract
1,537,189.00 under lux tax threshold with 14 players under contract.

Move 5)
Using the TPE from the Moses Brown trade (1,701,593.00 TPE) to trade for a player making under 1,537,189.00 to remain under lux tax threshold and get to 15 player under contracts. Just an example, Anthony Gill, PF Wash Wizards, or Daniel Oturu, PF/C just traded to Memphis. Not that I want these guys, just using them as an an example salary wise. I did want Danny to draft Oturu at the time though.
1,537,189.00 under lux tax threshold
1,517,981.00 Anthony Gill or Daniel Oturu's salary
19,208.00 under lux tax with 15 players under contract.

This is pretty much what I expect but I think it would be worth holding off on move 5 until buyout season really begins & see what turns up. I'm okay with going 14 deep until that point, unless we really start getting hit with injuries hard. Obviously a strong possibility.
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Off-Season Thread 

Post#1140 » by snowman » Wed Aug 18, 2021 3:02 pm

TheOGJabroni wrote:
snowman wrote:IMO, I expect Boston to make a few small moves before and/or during training camp to move us back under the lux tax threshold and to keep the clock starting on the repeater tax an extra year away.

According to Spotrac:
143,214,558.00 current salary with 15 regular salaries and 1 non-guaranteed salary.
136,606,000.00 2012 /2022 lux tax threshold
6,608,558.00 over lux tax threshold

Move 1)
Trade Dunn and a 2nd round pick to OKC for a top 55 protected pick (fake pick). Likely very easy to do. Leaves 14 regular contracts and 1 non guaranteed contract.
6,608,558.00 over lux tax threshold
5,005,350.00 Dunn's salary
1,603,208.00 updated over lux tax threshold

Move 2)
release Jabari Parker, and his non guaranteed 2,283,034.00 Again, very easy to do. Leaves 14 regular contracts.
1,603,208.00 updated over lux tax threshold
2,283,034.00 Parker's non guaranteed salary
679,826.00 Under lux tax threshold, but with 14 players under contract.

Brad could stop here and be under the lux tax, but I don't think he will.

Move 3)
Trade Edwards and cash (2 million) to cover his 1,782,621.00 to any team plus a bit extra for doing the paper work.
679,826.00 under the lux tax
1,782,621.00 Edwards salary
2,462,447.00 under lux tax threshold with 13 players under contract

Move 4)
sign one of Madar, Hauser or Begarin to a minimum rookie contract
2,462,447.00 under lux tax threshold
925,258.00 minimum salary for 2021/2022 rookie contract
1,537,189.00 under lux tax threshold with 14 players under contract.

Move 5)
Using the TPE from the Moses Brown trade (1,701,593.00 TPE) to trade for a player making under 1,537,189.00 to remain under lux tax threshold and get to 15 player under contracts. Just an example, Anthony Gill, PF Wash Wizards, or Daniel Oturu, PF/C just traded to Memphis. Not that I want these guys, just using them as an an example salary wise. I did want Danny to draft Oturu at the time though.
1,537,189.00 under lux tax threshold
1,517,981.00 Anthony Gill or Daniel Oturu's salary
19,208.00 under lux tax with 15 players under contract.

This is pretty much what I expect but I think it would be worth holding off on move 5 until buyout season really begins & see what turns up. I'm okay with going 14 deep until that point, unless we really start getting hit with injuries hard. Obviously a strong possibility.



The only problem with that is, if we pick up a player / vet with 2 or more years of NBA exp, we would have to go into the tax to sign them because we would only have around 1.5 mil (if we followed this exact route) and according to the CBA, a 2 year vets contract would have to start at 1,669,178.00 and players with more exp than that cost even more.

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