Omer Asik Trade - Updated link pg.109

[Parliament10]

The Rockets are making themselves an embarassing spectacle, and may end up with much less than they've been asking for, because of it.
Teams are starting to back away from negotiations. Danny Ainge, in particular, wont be held over a barrel.

I don't see how the Rockets are making themselves and embarrassing spectacle. This is a negotiation, and they are trying to get the best package for Asik. The teams that are starting to back away from negotiations are doing so because they know that the Rockets have a better offer on the table than theirs.

There's a difference between "negotiation" and "spectacle". And, the teams are backing away, more so because the demands are too much.

[24istheLAW]

Unless Ainge gets greedy and tries to turn the screws on Morey (taking out the pick or something), there's two outcomes that can happen now.

1. Morey does nothing. Keeps Asik. Has less and less leverage at the real trade deadline approaches.

2. Morey "settles" for the offer he has.

I think nothing happens. I don't think Morey's ego is ready to accept two role players and pick 22.

[Valid]

Houston's flight is at about 3 p.m. today. Yesterday I read on the Twitter of Jonathan Feigen (one of Houston's beat writers) that the Rockets would ideally prefer to deal Asik before the flight, so it looks like we might definitely hear something within the next few hours.

[Afam]

Ainge is a Liar but in a good way Lol.. What is he suppose to say ? . We are close trading Bass, lee and a pick for asik. He can't say that.

[Valid]

Unless Ainge gets greedy and tries to turn the screws on Morey (taking out the pick or something), there's two outcomes that can happen now.

1. Morey does nothing. Keeps Asik. Has less and less leverage at the real trade deadline approaches.

2. Morey "settles" for the offer he has.

I think nothing happens. I don't think Morey's ego is ready to accept two role players and pick 22.

It's more than likely going to be No. 2. The Rockets have a self-imposed deadline for today due to the fact that once Dec. 20 hits, you cannot re-trade players you received in a deal for the rest of the season.

[rickrolled]

I predict a 3 team deal between Bos/Phil/Hou

Bos - Asik
Phil - Bogans and 2015 LAC Pick
Hou - Bass, Hawes

We'll see.

If Rockets get Hawes why should we give them Bass or Lee ? , Bogans and pick to Sixers works, and Brooks as a filler.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

If Lee is not in the deal, I don`t like it...getting rid of his contract is crucial...but since Blakely is reporting we can be pretty sure the rumour is not true...

Let`s make this happen!

i don't understand the courtney lee hate. yes he was brutal last year but this year he's been exactly what we expected last year -- solid D, hitting 3's. 7.4 ppg in 17 mins is pretty good, it's just we don't have the mins to give him.

honestly i'd rather do this trade without lee if possible. bass+pick for asik.

Yeah. This, not to mention the fact that if we do manage to keep Lee, we can flip him in another potential trade. The guy has value and his contract isn't nearly as bad as people here make it out to be.

He gets paid $5 million a year to play 17 mpg, and guess who's going to get his minutes cut when Rondo comes back? His trade value will be absolute garbage when he's racking up 5, 6 mpg, or even worse - a string of DNP-CD.

[Afam]

Danny Ainge on 98.5 now:

"I have no indication that we are close to a deal"

"We are having discussions to see what's available out there"

So in other news... Water is wet

Grass is green.

[Valid]

i don't understand the courtney lee hate. yes he was brutal last year but this year he's been exactly what we expected last year -- solid D, hitting 3's. 7.4 ppg in 17 mins is pretty good, it's just we don't have the mins to give him.

honestly i'd rather do this trade without lee if possible. bass+pick for asik.

Yeah. This, not to mention the fact that if we do manage to keep Lee, we can flip him in another potential trade. The guy has value and his contract isn't nearly as bad as people here make it out to be.

He gets paid $5 million a year to play 17 mpg, and guess who's going to get his minutes cut when Rondo comes back? His trade value will be absolute garbage when he's racking up 5, 6 mpg, or even worse - a string of DNP-CD.

His trade value will be garbage because he's playing behind one of the best point guards in the NBA? He's having a very good year and I'm sure the rest of the NBA has seen that. Just because he is going to get his playing time cut due to the return of Rondo isn't going to destroy his value. A lot of teams have a need for a feisty perimeter defender like Lee (Houston is one of them). We just won't have much room/need for him because we already have that in Bradley.

[rickrolled]

CSNNE just posted this.

"When asked if the deal would get done, Blakley said he thought so, but it might not include Lee, who told Blakely it was his understanding he wouldn't be in a deal if a third team wasn't involved. Trade talks appear to be only between Houston and Boston.

Mannix said he had received texts from NBA sources that told him the trade will happen.

"I think the deal will eventually go through," he said. "They're haggling over draft picks."

...Grain of salt of course...

...and Blakely....

If it doesn't include Lee then we shouldn't attach a pick, just straight up trade, send a filler like Brooks to match salaries.

[GreenMachine]

The Rockets are making themselves an embarassing spectacle, and may end up with much less than they've been asking for, because of it.
Teams are starting to back away from negotiations. Danny Ainge, in particular, wont be held over a barrel.

I don't see how the Rockets are making themselves and embarrassing spectacle. This is a negotiation, and they are trying to get the best package for Asik. The teams that are starting to back away from negotiations are doing so because they know that the Rockets have a better offer on the table than theirs.

Not to mention the fact that we have NO IDEA what is and isn't even true...

[gocelts]

The Rockets have every right to wait another day or two...its their player and swapping for Bass and a late first next year isnt that great..after 23 games suddenly Bass is centerpiece of what we are giving up to get a decent center back??? Who's overrating who here?!?! Also, Hawes is a much better potential than Bass and what one could only hope to get out of a late round pick..in fact, I'd be more interested in Hawes then Asik as he fits our rebuild model more. ...the Sixer just arent dumb enough or in a postion to settle for the junk that we are offering.

Houston has managed this thing so poorly overall, and they are now facing reality that getting an allstar or mutiple draft picks for Asik was and is never going to happen. Now that Asik smells a starting role in Boston (or other teams rumored), I see no reason why he would comply with Houston for the rest of the season (and would hurt his value even more). The empty threat of starting over in trade talks wont get them any more assets tomorrow either.

Bottom line, if some other team doesn't open up with a better offer, he's ours and Danny masterfully taken advantage of Houstons mismanagement.

[SuperDeluxe]

There's a difference between "negotiation" and "spectacle". And, the teams are backing away, more so because the demands are too much.

Then I suppose the Celtics, in your mind, are the biggest spectacle in the NBA -- if there's someone who has defended the value of his players like a rabid dog in the last few years, that someone would be Danny Ainge.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Doesn't make sense for Houston to keep waiting. Asik's not even playing. Bass and Lee could really help them..

[000078ude54]

This whole thing reeks of Morey thinking he's smarter than he actually is.

Just make the trade already and move on. Celts have best offer on the table.

And let's not forget that we're taking a now-productionless malcontent, and his contract, off Morey's hands.

He should be thanking the Celts for doing this deal.

[sam_I_am]

Morey got Asik and DW for nothing. He really can afford to take any offer he chooses and as long as he doesn't bring back a worse contract he wins. Brilliant use of cap space if you sign a guy and trade him for a pick.

That is why he'll take our offer if it is the best he gets.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Doesn't make sense for Houston to keep waiting. Asik's not even playing. Bass and Lee could really help them..

It does if they don't like the deal. They will revisit this again at the trade deadline if nothing gets done so there is no huge urge right now.

[KGboss]

We have a 77 page thread discussing this exact thing...

I still believe a trade gets done by the end of today.

[GreenMachine]

This whole thing reeks of Morey thinking he's smarter than he actually is.

Just make the trade already and move on. Celts have best offer on the table.

And let's not forget that we're taking a now-productionless malcontent, and his contract, off Morey's hands.

He should be thanking the Celts for doing this deal.

This is the same as when people were screaming at DA for trading KG to the Clips for Jordan... WE HAVE NO IDEA IF THAT DEAL WAS EVER ON THE TABLE. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON. Yesterday people said Green was on his way out of town (LOL). Don't persecute GMs for deals that haven't even happened yet... or for negotiation tactics that we have no idea the validity of!

And for the record... we have NO CLUE, zero, zip, zilch if the C's really do have the best offer on the table. UCLA had the best offer on the table for Brad Stevens... until the press release saying we had signed him.

This is not directed at you Chief as much as a general public service announcement.

[jfs1000d]

Make the deal. It is is fish or cut bait time for ainge. That's final offer, ainge let them shop it. He has to pull out of the deal today or complete it IMO.