Gordon Hayward Thread

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So basically Gordon has to start and score at least 20 a game and the Celtics never lose? Do it Brad.

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[ConstableGeneva]

Notice the possessions where Rozier is also on the floor and he just runs to the corner. That is how it should be. Let Hayward, Kyrie, Smart, or Horford get ballhandling/playmaking duties. When healthy and confident, Gordie is our top playmaker imo. He just makes all the right reads and has the uncanny ability to draw fouls, something our team collectively is not good at.

(Fun fact: Outside of Isaiah Thomas, only four players have gone to the FT line at least 13 times in a single game during the Stevens era. Only Hayward did it coming off the bench.)

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[ConstableGeneva]

Been spewing these stats on here weeks before they became trendy lol. Gordo is our X-Factor for real for real. And my preseason prediction of him becoming our 2nd best playoff performer WILL COME TRUE!

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[greenroom31]

Been spewing these stats on here weeks before they became trendy lol. Gordo is our X-Factor for real for real. And my preseason prediction of him becoming our 2nd best playoff performer WILL COME TRUE!

Ditto on Gordon as x-factor. Not so much on the latter part but looks like he's finding his form at the right time!

[shi-woo]

Looking at Hayward shooting splits has me excited for next year. Dude was gassed the first two months of the season trying to get back into it, and is still giving us 46/34/83.

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Gonna be funny when he lights the Warriors up a game in the finals and we end up winning the game because of it.

That would be me on Hayward Island when that happens...

Pre-live look again btw at Constable sometime this postseason on Hayward Island. Granted we all support the guy but only a few have firmly been planted on his island no matter what.

We need Valid to make a cameo again, he called Gordon lighting up the Warriors. But he kinda already did too in that regular season game out there. Like sliced and diced those cupcakes up after they called him out for the earlier game in Boston.

[Theocy]

Getting ready to bump that gordo thread in the general board. I think the message there was how many first round picks do we meed to attach to gordo to ship him out

[Homerclease]

Getting ready to bump that gordo thread in the general board. I think the message there was how many first round picks do we meed to attach to gordo to ship him out

Don’t bother.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Getting ready to bump that gordo thread in the general board. I think the message there was how many first round picks do we meed to attach to gordo to ship him out

It exists right now on the Trade board. People havent watched him play and have hilarious evaluations.

[31to6]

Getting ready to bump that gordo thread in the general board. I think the message there was how many first round picks do we meed to attach to gordo to ship him out

Don’t bother.

I'd suggest we don't suck our own junk just yet.

Still: our record when Hayward shoots 9-for-9 must be *really* good.

[Theocy]

Getting ready to bump that gordo thread in the general board. I think the message there was how many first round picks do we meed to attach to gordo to ship him out

Don’t bother.

I'd suggest we don't suck our own junk just yet.

Still: our record when Hayward shoots 9-for-9 must be *really* good.

No you’re right there. I just like how opinions change.. it was right after the 30+ points game i posted there askign everyone to shut it and wait a few months i think. Gordon is a good player. He ll get his game back to a good level again eventually. I dont think he can win us a title this year but who knows next year if he keeps at it.

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[soxfan2003]

I never lost faith that Hayward had a good chance to be a very good player by playoff time but it was impossible to know with a high degree of certainty that he would get there since his injury seems like a tough one to recover from. Nice to see him peaking heading into the playoffs. Like any perimeter player not named Lebron or Jordan, he could still have a subpar playoffs but he is clearly moving well enough to give him a chance to be a big contributor in the playoffs.

When Irving is not on the floor, Stevens needs to make sure that he is using Hayward as a scorer/passer even more in the playoffs. Hayward is a good player to run the offense through since he has size and and he can score/pass/drive and get to the line.

Once teams have to react to Hayward, then Tatum/Brown/Horford/Smart should get some wide open 3's and driving lanes and some pressure will be taken off of Irving.

And Irving just has to do his thing and try to score around 25 PPG as efficiently as possible.

[Saint Lazarus]

Hayward is playing a lot of bully ball in the paint and I think that bodes well for his physicality and mentality going forward. Hopefully he's the x-factor that leads us to the promised land.

[celtxman]

This may or may not have been posted on prior pages, but the consensus of major publications ranking Kyrie and Hayward was that Hayward was ranked higher before Hayward's injury. In top 100 (pre-injury) lists ESPN had Hayward 20/Kyrie 25, Bleacher Report had Hayward 14/Kyrie 22, SI Hayward 16/Kyrie 21, HoopsHype Hayward 22/Kyrie 38, Washington Post Hayward 17/Kyrie 27 and CBS Kyrie 19/Hayward 26.
We never knew how Hayward would mesh totally healthy in joining the Celtics, much less with the horrific injury. But we do know that many of the best basketball minds knew his talent was undeniable. So as this team starts their likely pursuit of Anthony Davis in the post season, that loss of a wing player(s) would free up more time for Hayward to play. It would be OK for him to take 20 shots and on a bad night hit 7 like Kyrie can. For Gordon to know that he would both be starting and not looking over his shoulder after missing two shots for another wing who needs more minutes, would develop even more rhythym and confidence. Consider with all the hype about the Celtics being "Kyrie's team" that they may actually have at least one player as good or better on the roster with another one coming.

[exculpatory]

This may or may not have been posted on prior pages, but the consensus of major publications ranking Kyrie and Hayward was that Hayward was ranked higher before Hayward's injury. In top 100 (pre-injury) lists ESPN had Hayward 20/Kyrie 25, Bleacher Report had Hayward 14/Kyrie 22, SI Hayward 16/Kyrie 21, HoopsHype Hayward 22/Kyrie 38, Washington Post Hayward 17/Kyrie 27 and CBS Kyrie 19/Hayward 26.
We never knew how Hayward would mesh totally healthy in joining the Celtics, much less with the horrific injury. But we do know that many of the best basketball minds knew his talent was undeniable. So as this team starts their likely pursuit of Anthony Davis in the post season, that loss of a wing player(s) would free up more time for Hayward to play. It would be OK for him to take 20 shots and on a bad night hit 7 like Kyrie can. For Gordon to know that he would both be starting and not looking over his shoulder after missing two shots for another wing who needs more minutes, would develop even more rhythym and confidence. Consider with all the hype about the Celtics being "Kyrie's team" that they may actually have at least one player as good or better on the roster with another one coming.

Unquestionably - a team w GH, KI, & AD (3 Top 20ish players with 1 or 2 of them Top 10) supported by Tito & Cobra & Baynes & a hired gun drop dead 3 point killer (like Korver, Redick type) would be a **** monster! I still wish we did not have to let JT go. He will be Top 10-20 soon.

[soxfan2003]

This may or may not have been posted on prior pages, but the consensus of major publications ranking Kyrie and Hayward was that Hayward was ranked higher before Hayward's injury. In top 100 (pre-injury) lists ESPN had Hayward 20/Kyrie 25, Bleacher Report had Hayward 14/Kyrie 22, SI Hayward 16/Kyrie 21, HoopsHype Hayward 22/Kyrie 38, Washington Post Hayward 17/Kyrie 27 and CBS Kyrie 19/Hayward 26.
We never knew how Hayward would mesh totally healthy in joining the Celtics, much less with the horrific injury. But we do know that many of the best basketball minds knew his talent was undeniable. So as this team starts their likely pursuit of Anthony Davis in the post season, that loss of a wing player(s) would free up more time for Hayward to play. It would be OK for him to take 20 shots and on a bad night hit 7 like Kyrie can. For Gordon to know that he would both be starting and not looking over his shoulder after missing two shots for another wing who needs more minutes, would develop even more rhythym and confidence. Consider with all the hype about the Celtics being "Kyrie's team" that they may actually have at least one player as good or better on the roster with another one coming.

I largely agree with your Hayward comments. That being said, I think the sports media creates bad narratives to get clicks and sell papers...

Playoff Al with Boston over two postseasons....
PER 20.1
TS% 64.8%

In several respects, I kind of think it sort of deserves to be considered Al Horford's team for the time being.

I believe healthy Hayward and healthy Irving are more talented but Horford has come up with some clutch shooting in the playoffs to go alongside his smart and savvy defense.

[celtxman]

This may or may not have been posted on prior pages, but the consensus of major publications ranking Kyrie and Hayward was that Hayward was ranked higher before Hayward's injury. In top 100 (pre-injury) lists ESPN had Hayward 20/Kyrie 25, Bleacher Report had Hayward 14/Kyrie 22, SI Hayward 16/Kyrie 21, HoopsHype Hayward 22/Kyrie 38, Washington Post Hayward 17/Kyrie 27 and CBS Kyrie 19/Hayward 26.
We never knew how Hayward would mesh totally healthy in joining the Celtics, much less with the horrific injury. But we do know that many of the best basketball minds knew his talent was undeniable. So as this team starts their likely pursuit of Anthony Davis in the post season, that loss of a wing player(s) would free up more time for Hayward to play. It would be OK for him to take 20 shots and on a bad night hit 7 like Kyrie can. For Gordon to know that he would both be starting and not looking over his shoulder after missing two shots for another wing who needs more minutes, would develop even more rhythym and confidence. Consider with all the hype about the Celtics being "Kyrie's team" that they may actually have at least one player as good or better on the roster with another one coming.

I largely agree with your Hayward comments. That being said, I think the sports media creates bad narratives to get clicks and sell papers...

Playoff Al with Boston over two postseasons....
PER 20.1
TS% 64.8%

In several respects, I kind of think it sort of deserves to be considered Al Horford's team for the time being.

I believe healthy Hayward and healthy Irving are more talented but Horford has come up with some clutch shooting in the playoffs to go alongside his smart and savvy defense.

You're preaching to the choir on keeping Horford here , as opposed to letting him go for salary reasons. In the "load management " minded NBA this would fit right in. Lack of load management with not enough depth in the Big Three Era cost the Celtics two championships that you can't get back. I would hope that Al would be willing to sign a team friendly contract after next season.
As to Hayward I purposely cited many prominent media sources, to document the consensus. However , I also generally agree with the consensus. Utah Gordon certainly was in any conversation as to who was better between the two. What did Kyrie get done in Cleveland without Lebron? Yet Kyrie has a remarkable
essential talent that translates tremendously in the playoffs

[Patsfan1081]

Getting ready to bump that gordo thread in the general board. I think the message there was how many first round picks do we meed to attach to gordo to ship him out

It exists right now on the Trade board. People havent watched him play and have hilarious evaluations.

Ainge would hang up the phone on people asking for both the Memphis and Kings pick, I just never understood the conversation of dumping him not even a season in from his second micro surgery. Especially now, I'm still worried because he has shown to be streaky/timid but he has looked much different attacking the lane. He doesn't look like he's thinking about his leg anymore. He needs to handle the ball in that second unit though, I'm still worried that Morris/Rozier/Brown will eat up too many shots.

[ConstableGeneva]

His latest work, mostly him taking his time, probing the paint, and knowing exactly when/where he can get his shots up, would make Evan Turner, who used to do this with less effectiveness for us, proud.

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He's now scored 46 points with just 19 shots the past two games. Didn't even take a three last night. Only one turnover in about 58 minutes of play. How's that for efficiency.