Official Celtics 2020-21 Regular Season Thread

jmr07019 · Post #1141 » by **jmr07019** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:01 am

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The praise for Javonte worries me. We need a pg with the starters and for that matter for all 48 minutes. Smart, Javonte and center is also too little shooting in a lineup.

Triple7 · Post #1142 » by **Triple7** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:32 am

LuckyLarry wrote:The biggest problem this team has is Brad Stevens. brad is top 5 defensive mind of the league that should not be debated:) But offensively, it is very medium to bad.
-Let Smart take a ton of 3pts (defensively he is the heart of the team but offensively he is the cancer. it’s a shame because he’s a great passer and he can drive to the basket but his Volume 3pts shooting is really killing us)
- His timeout are always too late (idk maybe he like watching us getting destroy)
- In the 4th QT he let our players play stupid iso when the game is on the line
-His rotation are very questionable and sometimes not adapted.

I saw someone say we should had hire MDA as an assistant coach and i 100% agree with it.

I agree with this!
This has been our offense for 2 straight years now. A bunch of isos, and a 3pt chuckfest early in the shot clock and also when we panic. Does Stevens really have an offensive system? It’s the same offense with kyrie, and the same horrible offense with Kemba. I’m pretty sure any normal nba coach would explode, if your starting point guard(Smart) would launch consecutive 3’s early in the shot clock. It doesn’t matter if it goes in or not. That is just horrible basketball. I don’t see any reactions from Stevens, so i guess that’s fine with him :lol:

Some would say it’s just a pre season game, and its not time to overreact, but Smart has been doing that since last season. I guess sometimes we must admit that maybe Stevens is the problem. Let’s see what he does this season, but i doubt anything changes.

Post #1143 » by **Parliament10** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:56 pm

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ConstableGeneva · Post #1144 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:29 pm

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As much as I love Smart, I don't think he'd even be a candidate for DPOY. I even believe he won't make any of the all-defensive teams this season. More offensive responsibility could equate him taking a step back on the defensive end. Same would apply to Tatum and Brown esp while Kemba's out. Hope I'm proven wrong for the 1000th time. I do think Smart will average something like 16/4/6 this season. Unsure yet about his efficiency.

keevsnick1 · Post #1145 » by **keevsnick1** » Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:23 pm

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As much as I love Smart, I don't think he'd even be a candidate for DPOY. I even believe he won't make any of the all-defensive teams this season. More offensive responsibility could equate him taking a step back on the defensive end. Same would apply to Tatum and Brown esp while Kemba's out. Hope I'm proven wrong for the 1000th time. I do think Smart will average something like 16/4/6 this season. Unsure yet about his efficiency.

Well he averaged 12.9 on 51.8% TS last year despite the fact he had the second best shooting season of his career on decent volume. If he is forced to scored 16 a game I'm fairly certain his efficiency is gonna be pretty bad, and if that comes at the cost of some of smarts defense then that tradeoff is REALLY bad.

Homerclease · Post #1146 » by **Homerclease** » Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:08 pm

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As I’ve said all along. January is a pipe dream

sprash9802 · Post #1147 » by **sprash9802** » Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:11 pm

Homerclease wrote:

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As I’ve said all along. January is a pipe dream

Ainge's love for injury-prone, one-dimensional midgets (and non shooting wings, ground-bound bigs etc)...smh.

ConstableGeneva · Post #1148 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:16 pm

keevsnick1 wrote:
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As much as I love Smart, I don't think he'd even be a candidate for DPOY. I even believe he won't make any of the all-defensive teams this season. More offensive responsibility could equate him taking a step back on the defensive end. Same would apply to Tatum and Brown esp while Kemba's out. Hope I'm proven wrong for the 1000th time. I do think Smart will average something like 16/4/6 this season. Unsure yet about his efficiency.

Well he averaged 12.9 on 51.8% TS last year despite the fact he had the second best shooting season of his career on decent volume. If he is forced to scored 16 a game I'm fairly certain his efficiency is gonna be pretty bad, and if that comes at the cost of some of smarts defense then that tradeoff is REALLY bad.

Never said it was gonna be good for either him or the team. That's what I'm predicting what will happen due to his elevated role on offense. Ainge didn't address Hayward's departure and knew full well Kemba would miss time. Smart still has longest tenure and knows the team's offensive sets better than Teague and Pritchard. What was Danny expecting would happen?

fallguy · Post #1149 » by **fallguy** » Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:35 pm

Washington Post (Golliver) has their top 100.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/sports/nba-top-players-2020-2021/

Tatum at 12.

BK_2020 · Post #1150 » by **BK_2020** » Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:42 pm

This guy has Derozan worse than Marcus Education Reform Morris, Caris Lebum, Josh Richardson, Trae Young worse than Brogdon, VanVleet or C.J. McCollum, and Zion below Jaylen Brown?

fallguy · Post #1151 » by **fallguy** » Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:51 pm

BK_2020 wrote:This guy has Derozan worse than Marcus Education Reform Morris, Caris Lebum, Josh Richardson, Trae Young worse than Brogdon, VanVleet or C.J. McCollum, and Zion below Jaylen Brown?

I think those are all fair for the next six months. Zion will be better than Jaylen, obviously, but there's real questions about him that fairly affect his ranking right his moment. Let's see him get through the season healthy and in shape.

Post #1152 » by **Parliament10** » Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:20 am

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Post #1153 » by **bisme37** » Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:08 pm

Hey The Ringer says we have the best young core in the league.

1. Boston Celtics
WAR: 132.2
Best under-25 players: Jayson Tatum (53.4), Jaylen Brown (27.4), Robert Williams (10.3)
Last year’s rank: 8th

There are two components of the Celtics’ league-best youth ranking. The first is the supporting cast, which is better than Luka’s in Dallas or Young’s in Atlanta. If Tatum didn’t exist, the Celtics’ U25 group would still rank in the top half of the league, with Brown the best young player on most teams.

The second is Tatum himself. Although not quite at Doncic’s level, he’s in mighty fine historical company nonetheless after improving across the board in his third season. Besides Doncic and Tatum, 13 previous players were named to an All-NBA team at age 21 or younger. All 13 are either in the Hall of Fame already or locks to get there once they retire.

As a scorer, Tatum evokes a young Bryant or McGrady, both among his top five comps; as a defender, he is comfortably above average both one-on-one and playing within a team concept. The Celtics have imported would-be no. 1 options for years: Gordon Hayward, Kyrie Irving, Kemba Walker. But the best candidate, and the main reason they have the best U25 group in the league, was internal all along. Tatum’s not 19 anymore, but he’s still young and poised for greatness.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/12/23/22196239/nba-2020-21-young-core-rankings-celtics-grizzlies-sixers

Scoonie · Post #1154 » by **Scoonie** » Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:22 pm

Celtics are probably screwed until Kemba comes back.

And in my opinion, Jeff Teague should be starting at point guard until that time.

playa-hater · Post #1155 » by **playa-hater** » Wed Dec 23, 2020 7:55 pm

fallguy wrote:Washington Post (Golliver) has their top 100.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/sports/nba-top-players-2020-2021/

Tatum at 12.

just a little nit picking, but Lebron always gets the top spot regardless if he actually deserves it. KD a couple years ago and Giannis now IMO > Lebron.

J Butler 1 over Tatum for what he did in the playoffs fine, But Butler never carries a big load, so I expect Tatum to easily soar past Butler this season.

playa-hater · Post #1156 » by **playa-hater** » Wed Dec 23, 2020 8:01 pm

I think our 2 preseason games have taken away from our Optimism. But WTH is going on here .. Crickets.. We are about to start our Real season..

Can we get this party started :rockon:

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playa-hater · Post #1157 » by **playa-hater** » Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:03 am

I feel I need to say this again.. the one player I would like for Boston in a trade for a TPE +whatever that won't cost much, help us immediately + has room to grow with us is....

Larry Nance.. I said this a while back and will say it again.

Tonight, Nance had 15 points, 13 rebounds, 8 asst, including 1 for 1 from 3. Plays very good switchable defense. Good locker room player. Very Good IQ. I believe only makes 10 mill.

can be a 4 or 5 man..

People have no idea since NO ONE watches Cleveland and he gets lost playing behind K Love.

Please make this move Danny!

EDIT! didn't even see this But Nance had 3 steals and 2 blocks as well as 5 offensive rebounds.. remember Nance finally started with Love out.

klemen4 · Post #1158 » by **klemen4** » Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:35 am

Looking at healthy roster imo we are one veteran scoring wing away to compete for a championship.

Kemba/Teague
Smart/
Brown/
Tatum/G.Williams
Thompson/Theis

Fur sure that's playoff rotation Brad trusts, just one more scoring sg/SF off bench would be great.

I like potential of both Langford and Nesmith, but they will need a year or two imo.

TPE should be used to upgrade bench wing depth.

Fencer reregistered · Post #1159 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Thu Dec 24, 2020 2:55 pm

So I gather one of the "grow your game"/"know your role" things for this year is Jaylen running the PnR?

Scoonie · Post #1160 » by **Scoonie** » Thu Dec 24, 2020 3:08 pm

klemen4 wrote:Looking at healthy roster imo we are one veteran scoring wing away to compete for a championship.

Kemba/Teague
Smart/
Brown/
Tatum/G.Williams
Thompson/Theis

Fur sure that's playoff rotation Brad trusts, just one more scoring sg/SF off bench would be great.

I like potential of both Langford and Nesmith, but they will need a year or two imo.

TPE should be used to upgrade bench wing depth.

Agreed for the most part. A 3/4 combo-forward could help as well.

A few potential wing targets: Kelly Oubre Jr., Harrison Barnes, Kent Bazemore, Gary Trent Jr.

A few potential post/combo forward targets: Aaron Gordon, Larry Nance Jr., PJ Tucker, Maxi Kleber

These are just a few players that I've identified that could potentially be available, not based on any real information.