Omer Asik Trade - Updated link pg.109

[CelticFaninLBC]

Doesn't make sense for Houston to keep waiting. Asik's not even playing. Bass and Lee could really help them..

It does if they don't like the deal. They will revisit this again at the trade deadline if nothing gets done so there is no huge urge right now.

And just continue the circus and probably not get much more at the deadline, while being thin on the bench..

[CelticFaninLBC]

Make the deal. It is is fish or cut bait time for ainge. That's final offer, ainge let them shop it. He has to pull out of the deal today or complete it IMO.

Right. Can't deal w/ Morey, if he wants to clown around for a coupe more months. He's been shopping Asik for a month now...

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Yeah. This, not to mention the fact that if we do manage to keep Lee, we can flip him in another potential trade. The guy has value and his contract isn't nearly as bad as people here make it out to be.

He gets paid $5 million a year to play 17 mpg, and guess who's going to get his minutes cut when Rondo comes back? His trade value will be absolute garbage when he's racking up 5, 6 mpg, or even worse - a string of DNP-CD.

His trade value will be garbage because he's playing behind one of the best point guards in the NBA? He's having a very good year and I'm sure the rest of the NBA has seen that. Just because he is going to get his playing time cut due to the return of Rondo isn't going to destroy his value. A lot of teams have a need for a feisty perimeter defender like Lee (Houston is one of them). We just won't have much room/need for him because we already have that in Bradley.

Feisty perimeter defender? Come on. If we can fool any GM into thinking that, then we should ship him out ASAP. Courtney Lee has consistently fooled teams into thinking he's been some sort of difference maker on the court, but all stats say the complete opposite.

Look at what he's been When he's on the court, on a per 48 minute basis, opponents score 105.6 ppg. When he's off the court, opponents score 105 ppg. Opposing SG's PER is 19.5.

http://www.82games.com/1314/13BOS5.HTM

His Defensive Rating has also been mediocre for years. 106 this year. It's never been better than 104 his whole career.

[Havlicek17]

The trade will go down today or tomorrow so Houston or Boston can trade any assets they receive again before the trade deadline in Feb.

The trade's been rumored to be Lee and Bass for Asik, but it could be Bass and Bogans for example and therefore you would like to be able to trade Bogan's expiring before the deadline...

I would much rather have Asik than Hawes. Asik has been in the top 3 defensive players in the NBA the last few seasons. He's not just a rim protector. He plays excellent defense on pick and rolls and can body up Hibbert or Lopez, or any of the larger Centers in the NBA. Adding Asik to our defense would likley push us into the top 3 defenses in the NBA.

Hawes is better offensively, but he's too soft on D and we all know what wins championships.....right?

If we close the deal as reported: Bass, Lee and Clips 2015 1st, I would be a very happy celtics fan. We get one of the best defensive centers in the league, who is only 27 yrs old and in his prime. We free up some payroll and we still have Hump's expiring contract, Bogan's expiring, the trade exception, a good young starting player at every position we would target, and 8 1st round draft picks over the next 5 years to be able to get a superstar at the trade deadline.

If this deal goes down, make no mistake about it, Danny will be building this team around Rondo. After Asik, the next step should be to target a wing player that can get his own shot in crunch time. Granger anyone?

[CelticFaninLBC]

This whole thing reeks of Morey thinking he's smarter than he actually is.

Just make the trade already and move on. Celts have best offer on the table.

And let's not forget that we're taking a now-productionless malcontent, and his contract, off Morey's hands.

He should be thanking the Celts for doing this deal.

Yep, Asik's not even playing. Better to get guys they can plug into their system now...

[CollegeToPros]

It's a negotiation and I imagine the atmosphere of it is friendlier than most with the Rockets GM having Celtics ties. Plus, I'm sure McHale would rather Asik go to his buddy's team instead of a stranger's.

Rockets every right to ask for what they want, but I believe what the Celtics are offering is enough and the Celtics should not extend themselves further.

Bass, Lee, and a 1st. Don't care which year bc both seem to be in the 20s anyway.

[BannersOnly]

If Ainge gives up a 1st rd pick any higher than in the 17-18 range than he is out of his mind. Asik is a serviceable big man. That's it. 7 foot centers that are anything better than serviceable would have suitors knocking each other down to get the guy. The fact that the best Asik is commanding so far is Bass, Lee and a low 1st is all you need to know about his true "value" in the eyes of GM's around the league. The guy is nothing more than a serviceable space eater. Ainge should tell Morey to take the deal by 4PM today or he's out.

[000078ude54]

This is the same as when people were screaming at DA for trading KG to the Clips for Jordan... WE HAVE NO IDEA IF THAT DEAL WAS EVER ON THE TABLE. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON. Yesterday people said Green was on his way out of town (LOL). Don't persecute GMs for deals that haven't even happened yet... or for negotiation tactics that we have no idea the validity of!

And for the record... we have NO CLUE, zero, zip, zilch if the C's really do have the best offer on the table. UCLA had the best offer on the table for Brad Stevens... until the press release saying we had signed him.

This is not directed at you Chief as much as a general public service announcement.

Right, but that's essentially saying there's nothing we can know. That everything reported is spun guesswork.

We know that's not the case. Morey has a track record for trying to outmaneuver everyone, even himself.

My point was only that, given the players purported to be involved, if the deal as we understand it is being held up, it's because that clown is trying to save face moreso than bolstering his roster.

Stevens was never going to UCLA because he's not that guy. He's a Butler guy, a Celtics guy.

Tendencies are telling me Morey is being a turd and Ainge is ready to pull the "Going once, going twice..." on him.

[24istheLAW]

Right, but that's essentially saying there's nothing we can know. That everything reported is spun guesswork.

We know that's not the case. Morey has a track record for trying to outmaneuver everyone, even himself.

My point was only that, given the players purported to be involved, if the deal as we understand it is being held up, it's because that clown is trying to save face moreso than bolstering his roster.

Stevens was never going to UCLA because he's not that guy. He's a Butler guy, a Celtics guys.

Tendencies are telling me Morey is being a turd and Ainge is ready to pull the "Going once, going twice..." on him.

He wants the best possible return? Why is that a bad thing? I'd hope Danny plays hardball to get the best value possible for his players.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Right, but that's essentially saying there's nothing we can know. That everything reported is spun guesswork.

We know that's not the case. Morey has a track record for trying to outmaneuver everyone, even himself.

My point was only that, given the players purported to be involved, if the deal as we understand it is being held up, it's because that clown is trying to save face moreso than bolstering his roster.

Stevens was never going to UCLA because he's not that guy. He's a Butler guy, a Celtics guys.

Tendencies are telling me Morey is being a turd and Ainge is ready to pull the "Going once, going twice..." on him.

With Atlanta and Milsap out, I suspect he's trying to get a deal for Hawes, but there aren't enough picks to go around, as Houston & Philly both want picks, and Ainge isn't going to accommodate that...

[mloyko]

We are all just waiting for that first WOJO tweet of the day to let us know what is going on. As soon as he tweets things will get moving around here!

[000078ude54]

Right, but that's essentially saying there's nothing we can know. That everything reported is spun guesswork.

We know that's not the case. Morey has a track record for trying to outmaneuver everyone, even himself.

My point was only that, given the players purported to be involved, if the deal as we understand it is being held up, it's because that clown is trying to save face moreso than bolstering his roster.

Stevens was never going to UCLA because he's not that guy. He's a Butler guy, a Celtics guys.

Tendencies are telling me Morey is being a turd and Ainge is ready to pull the "Going once, going twice..." on him.

He wants the best possible return? Why is that a bad thing? I'd hope Danny plays hardball to get the best value possible for his players.

Yeah but a solid forward, solid swingman and a first rounder is a very nice haul for a guy who's doing nothing but being a distraction for the Rockets.

And as prized as Asik is, he's not Dwight or Tyson Chandler or Pau-level. Morey needs to stop thinking he's going to flip Asik for more than he's actually worth, especially now that Asik went very public with all this.

Rockets have to do a deal, the other 29 teams don't, so advantage other 29 teams.

If what's reportedly on the table is on actually on the table, time to get this done. Fair all around.

[mloyko]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
Along with Boston, Philadelphia remains very involved in the Omer Asik talks with Houston, league sources tell Yahoo.

[Shamrock]

We are all just waiting for that first WOJO tweet of the day to let us know what is going on. As soon as he tweets things will get moving around here!

Here ya go buddy

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m
Along with Boston, Philadelphia remains very involved in the Omer Asik talks with Houston, league sources tell Yahoo.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

We are all just waiting for that first WOJO tweet of the day to let us know what is going on. As soon as he tweets things will get moving around here!

Here you go! Looks like Philly's back in the mix

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/413724596521541632[/tweet]

[SuperDeluxe]

I like Asik and would love seeing him in green, but in my opinion Bass and Lee should be enough to fetch him... if not too much. The addition of a 1st round pick would definitely be too much -- I wouldn't give them more than a 2nd rounder. Of course from the Rockets' point of view the pick might be the most important part of the package.

[bbd24]

This will probably get put to the trade thread, BUT I think it's a great deal for us.

All 3 of Atl, Bkn, Bos will make the playoffs if this deal goes through, so I mean we'll still have a pick (whether 17 or 21 doesn't matter that much to me).

I love shedding Lee & Bass's salaries. I know Asik has 1 yr left too at a steep price, but that expiring can be monster to use as an asset. Imagine the looks our guards would get from Asik screens ?! lol

We'll be top 3 defensive team with him.

Sad to see CLee & BBass go though, they were playing well & I like them both.

U can't use this as a monster asset since his contract salary hit is only 8,5 mils, he will get paid 15. So he wont be a monster expiring contract, pretty average...

I don't think it will matter regardless. I think you sign Asik going forward. He's only 27 , in his prime, and can flat out play the Center position. You keep these types of assets, not trade them or use them as an expiring.

Regardless, you get rid of 2 of the worst contracts you have, and you gain an asset you'll use going forward.

It's a home run by Danny Ainge and it's a win win for both teams if you look at how all the players involved compliment their current rosters.

[mloyko]

Sounds like Houston is throwing out the Philly information. Posturing? Trying to get Danny to budge off the pick?

[StojkoVrankovic]

We are all just waiting for that first WOJO tweet of the day to let us know what is going on. As soon as he tweets things will get moving around here!

Here ya go buddy

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m
Along with Boston, Philadelphia remains very involved in the Omer Asik talks with Houston, league sources tell Yahoo.

I don't understand why Philly would have an interest. Hawes is an expiring, Asik is on the books next season, Philly won't be contending for decades. Why add salary when rebuilding?

Or is this a 3 way and I don't know how to read?

[15th overall]

Pretty annoying that Philly's role in this has been so blurry. Do they want Asik or are they looking for some 3rd-team-in compensation?