The Official Off-Season Thread, part I of many

Post #1161 » by **Froob** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:10 pm

truth18 wrote:Why the **** were we telling KD details of our game plan against the Warriors?

I mean I get why, but that's a pretty stupid idea imo. I wonder what the rest of the non Brady pitch was.

Was a trick, we never intended to sign KD. Told KD flashier and wild passes throw us off. This will be a huge story after we win the Finals. Jae gets his anything is possible moment.

Gomes3PC · Post #1162 » by **Gomes3PC** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:11 pm

Froob wrote:
Gomes3PC wrote:Jae, like Pierce and other guys I love in Green, plays with a chip on his shoulder. I have no doubt Jae will come into this season with some new skill / ability he didn't fully display last year, because I know he spent the whole offseason just working to get better.

I think we lucked out that he got left off the all defense squad. More motivation is better.

Yeah, my hope is he can tick up his efficiency to something like 46/35/83, increase his usage a bit to maybe 16-17 PPG, 6 boards, 2 assists, 2 steals.

I do firmly believe adding Horford will help Jae almost more than anyone else. By having two bigs in KO/Horford who can spread the floor, that's going to give Jae tons of opportunities to attack the rim on close-outs, etc.

Just hope he stays healthy - his biggest challenge is that the way he plays, he exposes himself to injury more than a normal guy.

KumaJG · Post #1163 » by **KumaJG** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 8:33 am

Looking back, we should of tank back in 2015

ConstableGeneva · Post #1164 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:48 am

NBA AM: The Celtics Still Shopping For A Deal

As much as Celtics fans may want to see the team swing for the fences in a trade, there is a reality that the major names may not be going anywhere and if the Celtics want one more impact-level player, they may have to trade for what’s available to them.

The upside on both Hayward and Monroe is both have option years next season and could be free agents, so if the marriage is not a good one, there is no long-term risk; but at the same time, giving up a ton of assets for what could be a one-year rental may not make a lot of sense either.

It’s easy to lock in on Hayward as the best long-term option, especially due to his history with Celtics coach Brad Stevens, but the truth of that situation is the Jazz are not overly interested in moving Hayward and to get them to the table may cost a lot more than the Celtics wants to spend.

There are transaction cycles in the NBA and while the Celtics would like to make more moves, they can’t force another team to the table. The next wave of trades likely gets looked at going into training camp, so the noise around the C’s may not die down anytime soon.

No Shock Here: Cavaliers Favored to Win the East Again

At Bovada, the Cleveland Cavaliers are -250 favorites to once again represent the East in the NBA Finals. Fresh off a six-game triumph over the Golden State Warriors, the Cavs will be hungry to repeat and bring Cleveland another title.

Are the Boston Celtics poised to become the next big thing in the conference? Oddsmakers think so. The book has tabbed the Celtics with a +500 chance to win the East, which is lightyears ahead of where they were last year. The C's made a splash in free agency by signing former Atlanta Hawks big man Al Horford, and they feature one of the deepest lineups in the Association.

Roddy · Post #1165 » by **Roddy** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:46 pm

IT / Rozier / Jackson
Bradley / Smart / Hunter
Crowder / Jaylen / Green
Amir / Jerebko / Mickey
Horford / Olynyk / Zeller

Sully and Evan out

Jaylen, Horford, Green in.

Little upgrade imo.

Homerclease · Post #1166 » by **Homerclease** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:49 pm

Roddy wrote:IT / Rozier / Jackson
Bradley / Smart / Hunter
Crowder / Jaylen / Green
Amir / Jerebko / Mickey
Horford / Olynyk / Zeller

Sully and Evan out

Jaylen, Horford, Green in.

Little upgrade imo.

Horford in for sully is a massive upgrade.

KGboss · Post #1167 » by **KGboss** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:52 pm

Roddy wrote:IT / Rozier / Jackson
Bradley / Smart / Hunter
Crowder / Jaylen / Green
Amir / Jerebko / Mickey
Horford / Olynyk / Zeller

Sully and Evan out

Jaylen, Horford, Green in.

Little upgrade imo.

Thats not a little upgrade. The other team was a 48 win team. They could win 55 to 56 games next year woth that group with an ECF ceiling

BigTrade92 · Post #1168 » by **BigTrade92** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 5:04 pm

That seems to be the depth chart as of today. If healthy, that team should definitely be around 55 wins.

With Zeller back, it's pretty much assumed Nader goes to the D-League as originally planned when he was drafted.

Likewise, I don't think Bentil is making the roster at this point. He seems like he'll either have to accept a D-League/Euro stash or just get cut outright. Sucks since I'm a big PC fan, but he had a terrible SL and was clearly outplayed by Nader. If Abdel isn't making the roster, neither is Bentil.

Young should be a guaranteed goner and good riddance. What an absolute waste of a pick. Said it during the draft we should've taken the sure thing in Rodney Hood over the immature Kentucky project, but a las...here we are and there he goes....

Banks2Pierce · Post #1169 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 5:11 pm

Trade and renegotiate and extend still has to technically be on the table until the deals become official, right? Zeller's hold of 5-6m leaves about 6-7m in room and it'd be easy to move on hunter or someone else to clear the dough. On mobile so can't check my sheets.

dalton749 · Post #1170 » by **dalton749** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:06 pm

KGboss wrote:
Roddy wrote:IT / Rozier / Jackson
Bradley / Smart / Hunter
Crowder / Jaylen / Green
Amir / Jerebko / Mickey
Horford / Olynyk / Zeller

Sully and Evan out

Jaylen, Horford, Green in.

Little upgrade imo.

Thats not a little upgrade. The other team was a 48 win team. They could win 55 to 56 games next year woth that group with an ECF ceiling

The upgrade is a lot less when you realize they are going to get destroyed on the glass. Horford and Amir both aren't great rebounders, where as sullinger was very good and they still got out rebounded last year.

Curmudgeon · Post #1171 » by **Curmudgeon** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:45 pm

Yes, they still need more rebounding and rim protection.

Banks2Pierce · Post #1172 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:50 pm

dalton749 wrote:
The upgrade is a lot less when you realize they are going to get destroyed on the glass. Horford and Amir both aren't great rebounders, where as sullinger was very good and they still got out rebounded last year.

Us and ATL were top 5 Defenses last season with horrible defensive rebounding rates. We flew around last year, but it's going to be even more of a torture chamber this year. Rebounding will hurt us against certain teams, but the majority of offenses are going to be unidentifiable carcasses by the end of the night.

Isaiah was handcuffed a lot last year with the Amir/Sullinger pairing on offense as they weren't really threats from outside(unless Sully was randomly hot that night), but it should be something of a multiplier for him and others this season as we'll be able to go 4 out a lot without really sacrificing much on D.

Jingles · Post #1173 » by **Jingles** » Sat Jul 23, 2016 11:19 pm

Removing Turner and Sully and replacing with better shooters is going to open a lot of eyes in a good way. The C's created a TON of open threes last year (top 5 in 3pt attempts I believe) but had one of the worst rosters to take advantage of it (around bottom 5 in percentage). Al and Gerald can shoot, Rozier looks ready to take that step, and even if Brown is at like 30% it's still a big upgrade. People underestimate how impressive the C's offensive output was while giving big minutes and a lot of shots to three guys who had as awful shooting years as Turner, Sully, and Smart.

Meanwhile they haven't lost anything on defense. Rebounding is a concern, sure, but they've addressed some big issues this offseason without giving up a single asset or any future flexibility.

24istheLAW · Post #1174 » by **24istheLAW** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 1:29 pm

I'm surprised the signing of Gerald Green for nothing has been so controversial on here. He's a shooter who is dynamic in transition. For the veteran's minimum that is a hell of an addition. RJ Hunter? James Young? Who cares!

During preseason last year, all the talk was about how the Celtics have a deep team with a very good bench but that the starters simply aren't very good. But as it played out, the team was a lot more top-heavy than we thought (IT, AB, Crowder) and the "depth" turned out to be not much at all.

I think he will command regular minutes when its all said and done. But he doesn't have to for this to benefit the Celtics - having a next man up on the wing in itself justifies this signing.

If he's an asshat or if he sucks, well he's gone anyway after the year and you can cut him with no future ramifications (other than possibly displacing RJ Hunter or James Young, but if it wasn't him someone else competent at basketball would do it)

Then you have longshot best case scenario - that an athletic guy like Gerald Green commits himself to playing for Brad and develops as an all around player to the point that he can approximate Evan Turner's role on the 2015 team with 3 point shooting. Not much room for things to go wrong + room for things to go well = wise signing.

And I think worries about him interfering with Jaylen Brown's development are misplaced. They might both be listed as 'SF' in the box scores but other than that their roles aren't very similar imo.

lon3lytoaster · Post #1175 » by **lon3lytoaster** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:59 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/larrysanders/status/757624289562533889[/tweet]

KGboss · Post #1176 » by **KGboss** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:16 pm

lon3lytoaster wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/larrysanders/status/757624289562533889[/tweet]

Yooooo

Now thats a rumor

Post #1177 » by **djFan71** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 6:30 pm

KGboss wrote:
lon3lytoaster wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/larrysanders/status/757624289562533889[/tweet]

Yooooo
Now thats a rumor

I kinda love \ hate this.... Dude flakes out of the league and puts a twitter poll up with 6 days remaining on it. High entertainment value, pun intended.

TheOGJabroni · Post #1178 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:29 pm

Celtics winning that poll so far :lol:

ConstableGeneva · Post #1179 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 8:22 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Tom_NBA/status/757670435391672321[/tweet]

brackdan70 · Post #1180 » by **brackdan70** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 8:54 pm

KumaJG wrote:Looking back, we should of tank back in 2015

think of the heat Ainge would have taken drafting Rozier at #4....