The (Where Ainges Fear to) Trade Thread, 2016-17 (1.0)

[Gomes3PC]

Their curves are at much different stages though, so I don't think they're mutually exclusive. Len is 23, has three years and 3,000+ minutes of NBA action under his belt, Zizic...does not have any of those.

Zizic's looking great in Euro league, but so far Len has showed more scoring potential in Phoenix than Zizic was expected to have when we drafted him. Would be very happy to have both, but the only way we get Len is if Phoenix doesn't want to commit to him financially, or is worried about his injuries, or wants help at a different position, or wants to dump money like Chandler's in the bargain. "And/or", actually, for that list.

I'm big on Len, though I do remember being thrilled when we got Chris Mihm, because of his rebounding rate at the time- but he never put it all the way together.

I guess my main point was getting Len would probably cost valuable assets, but Zizic is already in the fold. So is it really worthwhile going after someone like Len if his game/upside/role is quite similar to someone who hopefully will be on the team next season and getting minutes?

Of course. The cost of acquiring mobile 7-footers who don't have feet for hands is high, regardless of how much of their potential they have realized. If we acquire a guy like Len, fans are going to have a lot of heartburn about the price we pay. Look at how long and how large a commitment Toronto has had to make to Valanciunas - this is his fifth year and may finally be the time where he truly breaks out.

[Disinformation]

That is way too much for for George!!

Not really. Paul George is a Top 10 Superstar in his prime. I agree that giving up JBrown PLUS 2 BK picks is a lot. I'd prefer to deal only 1 BK pick and maybe add in another player like Smart....but that is the going rate for Top 10 players. Big trades like that always sting a little bit because talented young players and/or quality picks must be involved....but if the star you're getting in return pushes you over the top, then it's worth it most of the time.

he is not going to push Boston past Cleveland. So he is not worth trading a real future for.

Then who is?

[jrob23]

Not really. Paul George is a Top 10 Superstar in his prime. I agree that giving up JBrown PLUS 2 BK picks is a lot. I'd prefer to deal only 1 BK pick and maybe add in another player like Smart....but that is the going rate for Top 10 players. Big trades like that always sting a little bit because talented young players and/or quality picks must be involved....but if the star you're getting in return pushes you over the top, then it's worth it most of the time.

he is not going to push Boston past Cleveland. So he is not worth trading a real future for.

Then who is?

Nobody that could come available. Considering the strength of the 2017 and 2018 drafts and Jaylen Brown's upside, there's not currently anyone who would be made available worth it. Not Cousins, not Westbrook, not anyone. George won't be available. IND is too good. Our best bet is too keep the picks, use them wisely, and hope to God Brown and Zizic pan out. I could see Smart, IT, Rozier, and others being traded though in order to avoid the difficult decision of whether to pay them coming up in a couple of years. But only way that'll happen is if they are convinced Rozier can be a star or decide they will use the BK17 pick on one of those PG who have superstar potential.

[chrisab123]

Not really. Paul George is a Top 10 Superstar in his prime. I agree that giving up JBrown PLUS 2 BK picks is a lot. I'd prefer to deal only 1 BK pick and maybe add in another player like Smart....but that is the going rate for Top 10 players. Big trades like that always sting a little bit because talented young players and/or quality picks must be involved....but if the star you're getting in return pushes you over the top, then it's worth it most of the time.

he is not going to push Boston past Cleveland. So he is not worth trading a real future for.

Then who is?

What the hell was the point of signing Horford?

[Marvel]

he is not going to push Boston past Cleveland. So he is not worth trading a real future for.

Then who is?

What the hell was the point of signing Horford?

Al is a only piece to get us closer to the top.

[simon24]

Then who is?

What the hell was the point of signing Horford?

Al is a only piece to get us closer to the top.

I could see ECF but Al needs a big like Noel to do the dirty work. Otherwise, going to end up like the Hawks the past few years against CLE.

[Tiny ball]

What the hell was the point of signing Horford?

Al is a only piece to get us closer to the top.

I could see ECF but Al needs a big like Noel to do the dirty work. Otherwise, going to end up like the Hawks the past few years against CLE.

Noel could be big problem. Destroyed property, drugs, going to want max contact, always Injured plus all his homies in the Boston Area?.

I would pass.

[celtxman]

Something built on the basis of Bradley for Klay would make a lot of sense for both teams. Amir/Bradley/BRK 18/MEM 19?

Wow - a trade like this has a ton to think about. First I think it would be a great trade for Golden State. I'm not doubting that they will get it together and all be able to play together, but I still think they would be better served with a trade like this. Bradley is a better fit for them - they got Durant for free who is better than Thompson so in essence they would be adding Bradley to a better team than the one that lost to the Cavs. Now you also add that Brooklyn pick which could wind up being Ayton, or could be a great trade chip and which way is Memphis going? In addition they are in great position almost instantly to upgrade in the frontcourt, having the Brooklyn pick chip as well as the net gain in their salary structure with Johnson's expiring deal coupled with Bradley's sweet contract. With the new cap expected to be $102 million, the difference in Bradley's salary compared to Thompson will be a big difference in getting a quality big player. It's a great trade for Golden State.
For the Celtics - I would also pull the trigger. You have Thompson locked up for two years past this one at a great contract, and you have a legit top 10 superstar - a player who has proven how clutch he can be when the lights get bright. You also now have a legitimate magnet to draw players. The Celtics are now in the conversation for every free agent, and they would be in the $86 million area with salary so there is room to add a free agent particularly if they could trade Zeller.
This also totally legitimizes the Horford signing.
I've been against trading picks for players going into their last season with the draft picks - this is the kind of trade that offers the extra year +.

[jrob23]

he is not going to push Boston past Cleveland. So he is not worth trading a real future for.

Then who is?

What the hell was the point of signing Horford?

I believe they were hoping it would help them land Durant. Him alone is just making us good enough to be pretenders. But that's okay, the top 3-4 teams in the league seem to be on a different level than us for the next couple of years. Only thing that changes that is Brown and Zizic being great and landing bonafide stars with the BK picks. By the time all of that happens Horford will be well past his prime. Our rebuild really started this year with Brown and Zizic. While we're rebuilding we happen to also have a very good competitive team. But we don't really have a realistic shot at a championship for a few years.

[simon24]

Al is a only piece to get us closer to the top.

I could see ECF but Al needs a big like Noel to do the dirty work. Otherwise, going to end up like the Hawks the past few years against CLE.

Noel could be big problem. Destroyed property, drugs, going to want max contact, always Injured plus all his homies in the Boston Area?.

I would pass.

Drugs? I never heard of that.

How about Tyson Chandler/John Henson?

Chandler - Suns aren't competing for a title anytime soon. Len is the future. Might as well let Chandler have an opportunity to compete for a title again.

Henson - Bucks got a log jam of bigs (Monroe/Henson/Maker/Plumlee). Monroe is expected to opt out and Henson would get more minutes in Boston. Therefore, opening up more minutes for Maker to develop.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I'd do Zeller/Jerebko for Faried/Nurkic, if Denver wanted to dump salary. Not sure what else they'd want as sweetener to make it work. Probably too low an offer.

Olynyk+ (Young? 1st?) for Nurkic.

Never easy to predict what Denver is going to lean toward doing, though.

We have to figure out what's happening with our salary cap space, too.

[Ed Pinkney]

I'd do Zeller/Jerebko for Faried/Nurkic, if Denver wanted to dump salary. Not sure what else they'd want as sweetener to make it work. Probably too low an offer.

Olynyk+ (Young? 1st?) for Nurkic.

Never easy to predict what Denver is going to lean toward doing, though.

We have to figure out what's happening with our salary cap space, too.

I like Nurkic but I am anticipating an incredulous response to this from that skywalker fella. I didn't realise how long Faried's contract was, that puts a dent in max cap room options going forward. The salary dump option is a possibility for them if they choose Jokic over Nurkic long term but they also have one of the lowest payrolls in the league at the moment.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I'd do Zeller/Jerebko for Faried/Nurkic, if Denver wanted to dump salary. Not sure what else they'd want as sweetener to make it work. Probably too low an offer.

Olynyk+ (Young? 1st?) for Nurkic.

Never easy to predict what Denver is going to lean toward doing, though.

We have to figure out what's happening with our salary cap space, too.

I like Nurkic but I am anticipating an incredulous response to this from that skywalker fella. I didn't realise how long Faried's contract was, that puts a dent in max cap room options going forward. The salary dump option is a possibility for them if they choose Jokic over Nurkic long term but they also have one of the lowest payrolls in the league at the moment.

So one issue is that we don't know what the cap's going to be. The rookie-contract scale may change, it's not clear how much room we'll have this summer, or who we'd spend it on.

Going up to or over the cap- extending Olynyk, maybe trading for and extending Noel, and dealing the expirings of Amir, Zeller and Jerebko, for players like Faried+, could be a better use of the flexibility than saving it all for one free agent. And honestly, watching this team, I love Horford, but the fact that we're paying him 26 million a year doesn't thrill me.

[Andrew McCeltic]

And yeah, Faried is a bad deal but not that bad all things considered, he's a solid player, and Nurkic is a great prospect but it's not clear if he and Jokic can play together. Also no idea what Denver would want. Their GM got flack when he took over for being inexperienced, but he's managed to keep together good vets and grow young players, from the lottery, without anyone complaining. And they're hard to negotiate with because they can go in either direction, all young or all vet.

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[Andrew McCeltic]

Honestly, we could get Davis. Three-team deal with Aldridge to NOP? We have multiple future 1sts, Rozier or Smart, Young, Jerebeko/Amir, Zeller's expiring in January- I'd give up any and all of the above. Just has to materialize, Davis has to send out some smoke signals, New Orleans has to decide now.

[Disinformation]

Honestly, we could get Davis. Three-team deal with Aldridge to NOP? We have multiple future 1sts, Rozier or Smart, Young, Jerebeko/Amir, Zeller's expiring in January- I'd give up any and all of the above. Just has to materialize, Davis has to send out some smoke signals, New Orleans has to decide now.

Why would New Orleans want 31-year old LaMarcus Aldridge? Davis is their only player so if they're trading him, they're tanking.

[Andrew McCeltic]

They've got Hield, Evans, Jrue.. They have had talent the last couple of years, just a bad mix of it, bad coaching, and injuries..

[Ed Pinkney]

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Plus 25 wins?!?!?!

[Tiny ball]

I could see ECF but Al needs a big like Noel to do the dirty work. Otherwise, going to end up like the Hawks the past few years against CLE.

Noel could be big problem. Destroyed property, drugs, going to want max contact, always Injured plus all his homies in the Boston Area?.

I would pass.

Drugs? I never heard of that.

How about Tyson Chandler/John Henson?

Chandler - Suns aren't competing for a title anytime soon. Len is the future. Might as well let Chandler have an opportunity to compete for a title again.

Henson - Bucks got a log jam of bigs (Monroe/Henson/Maker/Plumlee). Monroe is expected to opt out and Henson would get more minutes in Boston. Therefore, opening up more minutes for Maker to develop.

I remember reports of him trashing a rented home drugs were left behind and somthing like the owners thinking they were left death threat. They sued him in civil court for something like 70 thousand bucks. I sure team told him to settle?

Young might be over pay. Him and his crew could ruin what is going on in Boston.?