All things Draft Pick. #3

[celtics543]

What would your thoughts be on flipping the #3 pick along with salary filler for Love?

never would happen

Never would happen because the Celtics would reject it or a different reason?

I think the Celtics would reject it. He's just not the player we need right now. The NBA is getting smaller and there'd be a serious defensive issue with him and Horford playing together. Plus, I don't understand why Cleveland would want the #3 pick for Love. They're competing right now and they aren't getting someone at 3 that's already better than Love. Lebron isn't going to wait on a 19 year old kid to help him, he already forced a Wiggins trade to bring in Love.

[The Rondo Show]

I think it's worth the risk for the right low ball price that I suspect we'll see George dealt for, but some are getting carried away thinking there's no shot he'd leave. MOST guys wouldn't leave, particularly those who put winning above all else. But you can't forget there are guys like Carmelo Anthony out there who forced his way to Knicks and then had an opportunity to leave the Knicks as a FA when they were in a bad spot and go to a contender but preferred to stay/live in NY. Even to this day he's refusing to waive the NTC. The runner up to the Knicks in the FA race, btw? Not the Rockets or Bulls who looked real good. A miserable Lakers team just because it was LA where he wanted to live if not NY.

Not every players primary motivation is winning above all else. George may be one of those guys considering the Lakers are even in his head after 3 straight years of sucking. Or maybe you change his mind and he stays. But the reality is we don't know what's in his head and shouldn't pretend like anything either way is a lock.

[ConstableGeneva]

So we trade for PG13, sign Hayward, and draft Tatum/Jackson

Roll into next year with:

IT/Smart
Bradley/Brown
Hayward/Brown/Tatum
George/Zizic/Yabu
Horford/Zizic

Maybe re-sign Kelly O or bring in some other cheap guys to fill it out. If that's the plan I can get on that.

Yep, this is it. Hayward or Griffin works. BG probably the better fit but I worry about his durability.

That lineup absolutely challenges Cleveland.

You give up the LAL/SAC pick for this lineup.

Take a look at this - from our own Smitty;

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It's the #3 going out for cap purposes. Likely post-FA-signing trade.

[Andrew McCeltic]

So we trade for PG13, sign Hayward, and draft Tatum/Jackson

Roll into next year with:

IT/Smart
Bradley/Brown
Hayward/Brown/Tatum
George/Zizic/Yabu
Horford/Zizic

Maybe re-sign Kelly O or bring in some other cheap guys to fill it out. If that's the plan I can get on that.

Yep, this is it. Hayward or Griffin works. BG probably the better fit but I worry about his durability.

That lineup absolutely challenges Cleveland.

You give up the LAL/SAC pick for this lineup.

Take a look at this - from our own Smitty;

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Eh. So I'd definitely max Griffin and trade for George - not sure how the money works. The nice thing about the rental price is that we'd likely keep the 3, BKN 18, and LA/SAC pick. So even if he walked we wouldn't be lost, and if he didn't, we could keep stocking the cupboard.

[StojkoVrankovic]

You know who cares about protections on a pick? The team trading for it.

[ConstableGeneva]

I think it's worth the risk for the right low ball price that I suspect we'll see George dealt for, but some are getting carried away thinking there's no shot he'd leave. MOST guys wouldn't leave, particularly those who put winning above all else. But you can't forget there are guys like Carmelo Anthony out there who forced his way to Knicks and then had an opportunity to leave the Knicks as a FA when they were in a bad spot and go to a contender but preferred to stay/live in NY. Even to this day he's refusing to waive the NTC. The runner up to the Knicks in the FA race, btw? Not the Rockets or Bulls who looked real good. A miserable Lakers team just because it was LA where he wanted to live if not NY.

Not every players primary motivation is winning above all else. George may be one of those guys considering the Lakers are even in his head after 3 straight years of sucking. Or maybe you change his mind and he stays. But the reality is we don't know what's in his head and shouldn't pretend like anything either way is a lock.

There is always a risk. You weigh that risk and offer the approriate amount of assets. These guys also talk thru back channels. Ainge won't pull the trigger unless he senses there's a more than decent chance Celtics can keep him beyond one season.

[GoCeltics123]

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Schultz saving face now? Clown

[LarryBirdsFingr]

The money can work for any combination of
box #1 butler/george or box #2 griffin/hayward.

Just pick one from each box. Lol

[Celts17Pride]

I know you guys probably discussed this but I get a funny feeling Porzingis/Anthony/8th pick could be a target.

I have felt this ever since Celtics brought back DSJ for another workout. We all know Ainge is after someone but when you eliminate the usual suspects like Butler/George/Davis there really doesn't seem to be a lot out there.

We all know Knicks could use draft picks. Just speculation but I wouldn't be surprised if some trade of Porzingis to Boston, Melo to 3rd team and a boatload of picks and young players were being discussed.

Just a thought.

[CelticsLV]

Do people even understand that trading for George and siging max FA would make our next off-season complete nightmare? How many extension it is? Our payroll would be ridiculous, sustainable maybe for one season.

[ConstableGeneva]

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[3D Chess]

So we trade for PG13, sign Hayward, and draft Tatum/Jackson

Roll into next year with:

IT/Smart
Bradley/Brown
Hayward/Brown/Tatum
George/Zizic/Yabu
Horford/Zizic

Maybe re-sign Kelly O or bring in some other cheap guys to fill it out. If that's the plan I can get on that.

Yep, this is it. Hayward or Griffin works. BG probably the better fit but I worry about his durability.

That lineup absolutely challenges Cleveland.

You give up the LAL/SAC pick for this lineup.

Take a look at this - from our own Smitty;

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It's the #3 going out for cap purposes. Likely post-FA-signing trade.

I don't think it has to be. Moving from #1 to #3 gave us the wiggle room to free a FA slot, and the contract we gave to Zeller (for a trade exactly like this one mind you) can be used as salary filler for George. Crowder would be a likely casualty as he offers salary + long term value to the Pacers.

If we are signing a max FA this offseason, we might as well have a go at getting George (or another star, but nobody is available) in a trade because there's no point going half-in at Cleveland. We have the luxury of so many quality first rounders, this is exactly the time to use one.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

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Good friggin LORD

[The Rondo Show]

The money can work for any combination of
box #1 butler/george or box #2 griffin/hayward.

Just pick one from each box. Lol

George and Hayward works, too. It might look a bit weird since their both primarily 3's, but they've both spent time guarding 2's (George in particular on DeRozan in playoffs at times) in key spots, and George is pretty much the perfect small ball 4 in this era outside of LeBron or Durant. Collect wings and we are switching a ton of defense anyways. Something like George, Hayward, Brown and Jackson or Tatum has a lot of versatility.

A.Zizic
A.Horford
P.George
G.Hayward
I.Thomas

J.Jackson/J.Tatum
J.Brown
M.Smart

With possibly 2 incoming top 5 picks in 2018. Even if George bolts, that's not a bad place to be at all. If you can do it for Bradley/Crowder/lesser picks rather than #3, J.Brown, BKN '18, LAL/SAC pick...I think you take the gamble. It's a risk, but for right price it isn't devastating if he leaves and the upside is enormous.

[3D Chess]

You know who cares about protections on a pick? The team trading for it.

Who is going to offer a better pick than LAL/SAC 1st rounder for 1 year of PG? That pick will absolutely have conditions that it will become something of value, because Ainge didn't just trade from #1 to #3 for a 30/70 shot at nothing.

[Froob]

I think George goes to Cleveland, makes too much sense not to happen. Not worth it for us to over pay to get him and watch him leave.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

What if George is the D. Revis type one year deal? Obv way less chance of it working out, but realistically thats how you gotta look at it. Then let him bounce in FA, brown steps into his role plus we add other picks and resign whoever else we want to keep.

As long as its not for a major asset

[The Rondo Show]

I think George goes to Cleveland, makes too much sense not to happen. Not worth it for us to over pay to get him and watch him leave.

I think he does too but disagree with the latter part. At least depends on your idea of overpay. I don't consider moving replaceable assets who may be bumped from our rotation by high lottery picks anyways (Crowder), or price themselves out of BOS (Bradley) in a year, as an overpay. Plus a bunch of replaceable picks (BOS '18, LAC '19, even MEM '19) and prospects (Yabusele, Rozier). None of these are going to drastically damage the Celtics future if you can't change George's mind.

[Andrew McCeltic]

The money can work for any combination of
box #1 butler/george or box #2 griffin/hayward.

Just pick one from each box. Lol

I love Hayward, but Griffin/two-way wing might give us enough of a different look to beat Golden State. If we're not thinking about that matchup, maxing Hayward and trading for Butler makes more sense - Butler would be more expensive than George, but on a discount contract a little longer. And Hayward is younger than Blake, and doesn't have injury concerns. The question is still how you get that second big.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

The money can work for any combination of
box #1 butler/george or box #2 griffin/hayward.

Just pick one from each box. Lol

George and Hayward works, too. It might look a bit weird since their both primarily 3's, but they've both spent time guarding 2's (George in particular on DeRozan in playoffs at times) in key spots, and George is pretty much the perfect small ball 4 in this era outside of LeBron or Durant. Collect wings and we are switching a ton of defense anyways. Something like George, Hayward, Brown and Jackson or Tatum has a lot of versatility.

A.Zizic
A.Horford
P.George
G.Hayward
I.Thomas

J.Jackson/J.Tatum
J.Brown
M.Smart

With possibly 2 incoming top 5 picks in 2018. Even if George bolts, that's not a bad place to be at all. If you can do it for Bradley/Crowder/lesser picks rather than #3, J.Brown, BKN '18, LAL/SAC pick...I think you take the gamble. It's a risk, but for right price it isn't devastating if he leaves and the upside is enormous.

Yep thats what i would di.