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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Regular Season Thread 

Post#1161 » by playa-hater » Thu Dec 24, 2020 7:53 pm

klemen4 wrote:Looking at healthy roster imo we are one veteran scoring wing away to compete for a championship.

Kemba/Teague
Smart/
Brown/
Tatum/G.Williams
Thompson/Theis

Fur sure that's playoff rotation Brad trusts, just one more scoring sg/SF off bench would be great.

I like potential of both Langford and Nesmith, but they will need a year or two imo.

TPE should be used to upgrade bench wing depth.


I believe Wings are the most important position in today's game. So No argument here.
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Regular Season Thread 

Post#1162 » by bucknersrevenge » Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:19 pm

playa-hater wrote:I feel I need to say this again.. the one player I would like for Boston in a trade for a TPE +whatever that won't cost much, help us immediately + has room to grow with us is....

Larry Nance.. I said this a while back and will say it again.

Tonight, Nance had 15 points, 13 rebounds, 8 asst, including 1 for 1 from 3. Plays very good switchable defense. Good locker room player. Very Good IQ. I believe only makes 10 mill.

can be a 4 or 5 man..

People have no idea since NO ONE watches Cleveland and he gets lost playing behind K Love.

Please make this move Danny!

EDIT! didn't even see this But Nance had 3 steals and 2 blocks as well as 5 offensive rebounds.. remember Nance finally started with Love out.


Nance was a kid Danny liked on draft day IIRC.
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Regular Season Thread 

Post#1163 » by Darthlukey » Thu Dec 24, 2020 11:34 pm

Merry Christmas all, just scored a Tatum jersey! It has been hard to get in Aus
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Regular Season Thread 

Post#1164 » by Patsfan1081 » Sat Dec 26, 2020 2:28 am

playa-hater wrote:
klemen4 wrote:Looking at healthy roster imo we are one veteran scoring wing away to compete for a championship.

Kemba/Teague
Smart/
Brown/
Tatum/G.Williams
Thompson/Theis

Fur sure that's playoff rotation Brad trusts, just one more scoring sg/SF off bench would be great.

I like potential of both Langford and Nesmith, but they will need a year or two imo.

TPE should be used to upgrade bench wing depth.


I believe Wings are the most important position in today's game. So No argument here.


I think Danny is hopeful one of Langford/Nesmith developes into that but honestly I’m not high on either. Nesmith can’t even win minutes off this depleted bench and Langford didn’t really wow at anytime last season. Ainge needs to get something out of these young guys drafted outside of ten though, he can’t keep missing.
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Regular Season Thread 

Post#1165 » by keevsnick1 » Sat Dec 26, 2020 2:33 am

Patsfan1081 wrote:
playa-hater wrote:
klemen4 wrote:Looking at healthy roster imo we are one veteran scoring wing away to compete for a championship.

Kemba/Teague
Smart/
Brown/
Tatum/G.Williams
Thompson/Theis

Fur sure that's playoff rotation Brad trusts, just one more scoring sg/SF off bench would be great.

I like potential of both Langford and Nesmith, but they will need a year or two imo.

TPE should be used to upgrade bench wing depth.


I believe Wings are the most important position in today's game. So No argument here.


I think Danny is hopeful one of Langford/Nesmith developes into that but honestly I’m not high on either. Nesmith can’t even win minutes off this depleted bench and Langford didn’t really wow at anytime last season. Ainge needs to get something out of these young guys drafted outside of ten though, he can’t keep missing.


The issue is that either way you NEED one or both to play well, because while you hope they develop into a contributor they may also be your best trade chips and they need to play well to have value.

It really hurts that Romeo wont be back until probably February, not much time to build up value before the deadline.
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Post#1166 » by winsomme2 » Sat Dec 26, 2020 2:07 pm

I don't know if I'm alone in this or not, but the lack of confidence coming from Grant WIlliams is REALLY bothering me.

He gets the ball in the corner, pump fakes a non existent defender, drives to the basket and turns the ball over. I can't take it any more...

Take the open shot!!

It's like he thinks he's going to lose PT if he misses, but he should lose PT cuz he won't shoot.

I'm beyond frustrated that Nesmith isn't getting this PT.
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Post#1167 » by Ernest » Sat Dec 26, 2020 6:54 pm

winsomme2 wrote:I don't know if I'm alone in this or not, but the lack of confidence coming from Grant WIlliams is REALLY bothering me.

He gets the ball in the corner, pump fakes a non existent defender, drives to the basket and turns the ball over. I can't take it any more...

Take the open shot!!

It's like he thinks he's going to lose PT if he misses, but he should lose PT cuz he won't shoot.

I'm beyond frustrated that Nesmith isn't getting this PT.


YES! I came here to say the same thing. He can't be passive. Its like the whole Smart shooting thing, people can hate away, but when you are wide open you have to shoot. A pump fake when no one is close enough to jump followed by a slow drive before a pass just wastes 5 seconds on the clock and gets everyone standing around. Brad's got to talk to him and tell him he has earned his minutes and needs to shoot. He can't be scared he will miss and get pulled. Not shooting is so much worse.
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Post#1168 » by Parliament10 » Sun Dec 27, 2020 7:59 pm

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Post#1169 » by playa-hater » Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:33 pm

winsomme2 wrote:I don't know if I'm alone in this or not, but the lack of confidence coming from Grant WIlliams is REALLY bothering me.

He gets the ball in the corner, pump fakes a non existent defender, drives to the basket and turns the ball over. I can't take it any more...

Take the open shot!!

It's like he thinks he's going to lose PT if he misses, but he should lose PT cuz he won't shoot.

I'm beyond frustrated that Nesmith isn't getting this PT.


my feelings exactly...Grant doesn't have to do anything on offense other than make an occasional open shot or set up someone else if covered.
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Regular Season Thread 

Post#1170 » by playa-hater » Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:37 pm

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winsomme2 wrote:I don't know if I'm alone in this or not, but the lack of confidence coming from Grant WIlliams is REALLY bothering me.

He gets the ball in the corner, pump fakes a non existent defender, drives to the basket and turns the ball over. I can't take it any more...

Take the open shot!!

It's like he thinks he's going to lose PT if he misses, but he should lose PT cuz he won't shoot.

I'm beyond frustrated that Nesmith isn't getting this PT.


my feelings exactly...Grant doesn't have to do anything on offense other than make an occasional open shot or set up someone else if covered.


my Biggest pet peeve of Stevens. The opposite mentality of Spo. No one can tell me that D Robinson, K Nunn and Tyler Hero were "ready and they all played/started the 1st game last season. Now they are doing the same with Precious getting good minutes and playing well.

Progress goes faster WITH EXPERIENCE! and I am not even advocating they play in the 4th. just more in the 1-2-3rd quarter
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Regular Season Thread 

Post#1171 » by Parliament10 » Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:49 pm

playa-hater wrote:
playa-hater wrote:
winsomme2 wrote:I don't know if I'm alone in this or not, but the lack of confidence coming from Grant WIlliams is REALLY bothering me.

He gets the ball in the corner, pump fakes a non existent defender, drives to the basket and turns the ball over. I can't take it any more...

Take the open shot!!

It's like he thinks he's going to lose PT if he misses, but he should lose PT cuz he won't shoot.

I'm beyond frustrated that Nesmith isn't getting this PT.


my feelings exactly...Grant doesn't have to do anything on offense other than make an occasional open shot or set up someone else if covered.


my Biggest pet peeve of Stevens. The opposite mentality of Spo. No one can tell me that D Robinson, K Nunn and Tyler Hero were "ready and they all played/started the 1st game last season. Now they are doing the same with Precious getting good minutes and playing well.

Progress goes faster WITH EXPERIENCE! and I am not even advocating they play in the 4th. just more in the 1-2-3rd quarter

Celtics need to put Nesmith in there. Just like Pritchard is in there.
Nesmith is supposed to be the best shooter from the Draft.
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Post#1172 » by playa-hater » Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:57 pm

Parliament10 wrote:
playa-hater wrote:
playa-hater wrote:
my feelings exactly...Grant doesn't have to do anything on offense other than make an occasional open shot or set up someone else if covered.


my Biggest pet peeve of Stevens. The opposite mentality of Spo. No one can tell me that D Robinson, K Nunn and Tyler Hero were "ready and they all played/started the 1st game last season. Now they are doing the same with Precious getting good minutes and playing well.

Progress goes faster WITH EXPERIENCE! and I am not even advocating they play in the 4th. just more in the 1-2-3rd quarter

Celtics need to put Nesmith in there. Just like Pritchard is in there.
Nesmith is supposed to be the best shooter from the Draft.


Yes and he doesn't have to do anything complicated. Shoot when open or pass to the Js. and if someone says Nesmith can't defend. Nesmith > PP on defense.
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Post#1173 » by playa-hater » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:04 am

OT, but how angry pizzed am I right now.

2 weeks ago I got into betting (no betting in 30+years) I bet football. picked a parle of 5 games. Won. Took that money and bet 2 games on the NBA won. I decided to take a long shot. get some real money. Had to win 5 games out of 5, for a BIG payoff. Won the 1st 4. The last game. Was the Cleveland Browns over the Jets. Bet Friday night. Saturday they announce ALL 4 WRs out with Covid. Couldn't cancel my bet. No one would bet with that knowledge before hand.

Hated this.

Still had a chance to win, but on 4th and inches Baker Mayfield fumbles it.

Why do I bring this up??

If Boston caps off this night with a loss, I will be on America's most wanted. Somehow, somewhere. Just look out for disgruntled Celtic fan goes Nuts ! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Boston has my life in their hands tonight.
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Post#1174 » by Fencer reregistered » Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:46 am

Brad Stevens came into the league, we were told, with a big advantage in Xs and Os specifically in the matter of ATO plays. He copied other people, other people copied him, and so the advantage was likely to ebb over time -- but his first few years in the league, players/coaches/media all said the advantage was real.

Does that advantage still exist, or has it thoroughly eroded over time? Or should this be a a two-part question involving both play design and coaching?

(Obviously, one of the examples I'm thinking of here is against Toronto ...)
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Post#1175 » by playa-hater » Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:45 am

Fencer reregistered wrote:Brad Stevens came into the league, we were told, with a big advantage in Xs and Os specifically in the matter of ATO plays. He copied other people, other people copied him, and so the advantage was likely to ebb over time -- but his first few years in the league, players/coaches/media all said the advantage was real.

Does that advantage still exist, or has it thoroughly eroded over time? Or should this be a a two-part question involving both play design and coaching?

(Obviously, one of the examples I'm thinking of here is against Toronto ...)


I am wondering if it;s not Xs and Os but lack of spine..can't control Egos /star players..etc..
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Post#1176 » by dlamb8888888 » Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:05 am

Grant Williams is terrible. He should not be getting minutes. He has no above average skill and no athletic ability. His ceiling is a slightly below average backup combo forward. For everyone saying he’s in there for his defense, nice try. His defense sucks. He has no lateral quickness. I really don’t see him improving at all either.
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Post#1177 » by CelticsLV » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:07 pm

No idea what's the thinking process behind this teams draft decisions. What was the point of Nesmith pick? He's not even a project type player but seems to be treated like one. He either comes in and contributes as a shooter or he has no value. That was basically his scouting report - a player who can't defend, dribble, playmake but can shoot. And it's not like he will learn to defend by warming the bench. Celtics defense has been horrible anyway. Why not draft an actual raw, project like Pokusevski or Achiuwa? But at this point even Achiuwa seems more ready.


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Post#1178 » by Fencer reregistered » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:44 pm

playa-hater wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:Brad Stevens came into the league, we were told, with a big advantage in Xs and Os specifically in the matter of ATO plays. He copied other people, other people copied him, and so the advantage was likely to ebb over time -- but his first few years in the league, players/coaches/media all said the advantage was real.

Does that advantage still exist, or has it thoroughly eroded over time? Or should this be a a two-part question involving both play design and coaching?

(Obviously, one of the examples I'm thinking of here is against Toronto ...)


I am wondering if it;s not Xs and Os but lack of spine..can't control Egos /star players..etc..


It wouldn't be that for an ATO, even if there's some kind of failure to teach (as perhaps could be the case if all his simpler good ATO ideas were no longer workable, and remaining ones were more complicated).
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Post#1179 » by Fencer reregistered » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:47 pm

CelticsLV wrote:No idea what's the thinking process behind this teams draft decisions. What was the point of Nesmith pick? He's not even a project type player but seems to be treated like one. He either comes in and contributes as a shooter or he has no value. That was basically his scouting report - a player who can't defend, dribble, playmake but can shoot. And it's not like he will learn to defend by warming the bench. Why not draft an actual raw, project like Pokusevski or Achiuwa? But at this point even Achiuwa seems more ready.


I'm so angry about not getting Haliburton. :banghead:


Can/can't defend is not binary. A guy who tries the right thing but fails at it in predictable ways can perhaps be compensated for.

Besides, there's no reason he should be a permanently bad defender.
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Regular Season Thread 

Post#1180 » by GregB » Mon Dec 28, 2020 1:01 pm

We need to move one of Theis or Thompson to bench. Start Pritchard, Nesmith or Semi for better floor spacing.

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