Trade Landscape/Trade Ideas

[CelticFaninLBC]

Green & Bogans for Bynum, CLE's 2015 pick and Miami's 2015 pick, which is top 10 protected.

Cap experts correct me if I'm wrong, but the Celtics would save about $7 million altogether, by saving $1.5 million in the trade and by cutting Bynum. I believe this would clear enough cap space to deal for Larry Sanders, who costs $7 million with the PPP, by using the BKN TPE and a couple picks. The Celtics would also have additional picks to use in an Asik deal, if the price for Sanders is too steep.

Green is 8.7, Bogans is 5m, Bynum is just over 12 million, so yes you are correct.. I like the idea as well. the only question is would Cleveland like the idea enough to give up two picks.
They need a small forward so perhaps.

2 picks might be steep, but they want to make the playoffs and need help @ the 3...

[Pogue Mahone]

Boston
Trades Crawford and Lee

Miami
Trades Chalmers and Anthony

WHY:

BOS: They get an underused and undervalued combo guard who can play with Bradley or even Rondo in some lineups. Players like Chalmers are borderline all-star caliber players in the right system with teammates and a coach who believes in them. The problem with three star/star heavy systems is that lesser players tend to take the brunt of the criticism and get little of the reward. It can be deflating because no matter how good you play, the finger pointing, even by your teammates, is always in your direction. Get a big body who can rim-guard/lane-clog a bit. Shed Lee's final year.

MIA: Get a less steady combo guard who compensates with unshakable confidence. Get wing help.

[JazzMatt13]

Jazz might have wanted a vetern as a big, but why pay Bynum a rogue unknown, when you got 2 guys under contract for multiple years and are super cheap price, aka Kanter and Gobert. Even if Favors wasn't on contract yet, I wouldn't trade him for Bynum.

Even teams like Phoenix won't want him aka teams with young bigs who can produce at great price/performance ratio. Like Plumlee is a young healthy big who is affordable, these are things don't describe Bynum. Of course former champion has nice "ring" to it, but the track record since and current precedings with Cavs just has way to many red flags for any team to willingly take any risks on him. Willingly isn't a word most would use, because some teams have nothing else to lose, and Celtics aren't one of them.

I just think Celtics should keep pocket book flexible and not make any pricey purchases that will trap your future spending limits. Celtics aren't doing terrible, so I don't see why. Plenty of bigs to open in future. I mean you got Olynyk who is doing amazing. I would rather find a PF to play under him, rather than get someone to replace him.

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http://spacecityscoop.com/2013/12/27/nb ... -explored/

Is this trustworthy ?

CHI gets: Lin, Carroll or Brand (filler)

ATL gets: Asik

HOU gets: Deng



Why the hell would the Bulls do that ? They're 99,999% likely to amnesty Boozer in the summer, why add Lins salary on their cap (8,4 mill) next year when Rose is back and let their owner pay 15 million in balloon payment for Lin, in addition to amnestying Boozer for 16 million ????

They lose alot of flexibility next summer AND basically pay 31 million for one year of Lin ? Something isnt adding up. And neither ATL or CHI seems to be getting a pick, while Morey gets to escape from BOTH balloon payments ?

[brackdan70]

http://spacecityscoop.com/2013/12/27/nba-trade-rumors-three-team-trade-involving-omer-asikjeremy-linluol-deng-explored/

Is this trustworthy ?

CHI gets: Lin, Carroll or Brand (filler)

ATL gets: Asik

HOU gets: Deng



Why the hell would the Bulls do that ? They're 99,999% likely to amnesty Boozer in the summer, why add Lins salary on their cap (8,4 mill) next year when Rose is back and let their owner pay 15 million in balloon payment for Lin, in addition to amnestying Boozer for 16 million ????

They lose alot of flexibility next summer AND basically pay 31 million for one year of Lin ? Something isnt adding up. And neither ATL or CHI seems to be getting a pick, while Morey gets to escape from BOTH balloon payments ?

No idea if its trustworthy or not, It works under CBA if both Carroll and Brand go to Chicago.
I don't see Chicago doing this...for the reasons you stated, and it leaves Atlanta really thin at SF...but maybe they would do it to get Asik especially now that Horford is down. Lin does not seem to fit in Chicago system very well.

[jfs1000d]

Just watching cabs replay. Celtics are going to be very busy at deadline. Good teams are going to try and pick this roster. So many good rotation players on it in bass, lee, Crawford, hump.

They could get a good haul for Bradley too if they wanted to as well as green.?

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[VeryMuchWoke]

I think we have to hold onto a few expirings so we have room to stay under the tax while retaining Bradley, and maybe Crawford. The only way I see us taking on significantly more salary for next season is if we get a guard that makes these two expendable going forward or decreases our payroll in '15-'16.

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[Andrew McCeltic]

I could see that MIL/CLE/BOS trade happening, esp. if Milwaukee wants Embiid... I think Sanders' trade value could go up but Ilyasova is a straight bad deal at this point, fairly or not.

[Jammer]

This trade idea actually makes the Celtics worse, but it sheds Brandon Bass's salary next year and Courtney Lee's for the next two years.

Trade ID #6393902

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6393902

Brandon Bass - 6.45 Million in 2014, 6.9 Million in 2015
Courtney Lee - 5.225 Million in 2014, 5.45 Million in 2015, 5.675 Million in 2016

Andris Biedrins - 9 Million expiring in 2014

[brackdan70]

This trade idea actually makes the Celtics worse, but it sheds Brandon Bass's salary next year and Courtney Lee's for the next two years.

Trade ID #6393902

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6393902

Brandon Bass - 6.45 Million in 2014, 6.9 Million in 2015
Courtney Lee - 5.225 Million in 2014, 5.45 Million in 2015, 5.675 Million in 2016

Andris Biedrins - 9 Million expiring in 2014

sure for Boston, also sheds 2.7 in Salary this season which gives a little added flexibility.
but why does Utah do this?
if they make this trade they will be around 46 million after signing 2 draft picks in 2014. I would guess they want to keep a little more room to be able to match Hayward offers and be able to be in the game for another free agent. They are in the running for a top 3 pick so why make a trade that makes them a little better, and takes away flexibility.

[ddb]

who says no

Boston/Portland

Boston sends Jeff Green, Avery Bradley + Brandon Bass to the Blazers for Nic Batum, CJ McCullom, Meyers Leonard and a 1st round pick?

Why for Boston: Get younger. Add another pick. CJ Mc could end up being a steal. Imagine if he turns into a stud scoring guard? Personally, I'd rather Batum over Green. He's more of a well rounded small forward who's also 2 years younger. Leonard hasn't proven anything yet but he'd give Boston a young/athletic 7'1 player to develop.

Why for Portland: Win NOW! More depth. One of the best teams in the league already. LMA is having a career year. Damien L is a legit lead guard. you add Bradley into a back court mix also featuring Lillaird/Matthews/Williams and you have 1 of the best back court charts in the league. Green can do a lot of what Batum does... Bass is an upgrade over Leonard...can be that 3rd big off the bench behind Lopez and LMA.. Bass can guard multiple positions...Knock down the pick and pop. I doubt Portland wants to trust Thomas Robinson in the playoffs... Bass they can trust.

Lillard/Bradley/Green/LMA/Lopez
Williams/Matthews/Bass/Robinson

That's their 9 man playoff rotation. wow

[KGboss]

Portland says no.

Batum/Lillard/Aldridge is a great starting 3. They wont mess that up.

[ddb]

Portland says no.

Batum/Lillard/Aldridge is a great starting 3. They wont mess that up.

that is most certainly the con to this deal for Portland. but adding Bradley/Bass to the rotation might be too much to pass up.. I think they would seriously consider the Green/Batum swap

[KGboss]

I would take Batum over Green so why would they take Green over Batum. Batum is an alpha male. Green is green behind the ears still most nights.

[rickrolled]

Nic Batum isn't worth 3 of our starters, plus that pick would be late late first.

[winsomme2]

who says no

Boston/Portland

Boston sends Jeff Green, Avery Bradley + Brandon Bass to the Blazers for Nic Batum, CJ McCullom, Meyers Leonard and a 1st round pick?

Why for Boston: Get younger. Add another pick. CJ Mc could end up being a steal. Imagine if he turns into a stud scoring guard? Personally, I'd rather Batum over Green. He's more of a well rounded small forward who's also 2 years younger. Leonard hasn't proven anything yet but he'd give Boston a young/athletic 7'1 player to develop.

Why for Portland: Win NOW! More depth. One of the best teams in the league already. LMA is having a career year. Damien L is a legit lead guard. you add Bradley into a back court mix also featuring Lillaird/Matthews/Williams and you have 1 of the best back court charts in the league. Green can do a lot of what Batum does... Bass is an upgrade over Leonard...can be that 3rd big off the bench behind Lopez and LMA.. Bass can guard multiple positions...Knock down the pick and pop. I doubt Portland wants to trust Thomas Robinson in the playoffs... Bass they can trust.

Lillard/Bradley/Green/LMA/Lopez
Williams/Matthews/Bass/Robinson

That's their 9 man playoff rotation. wow

Unfortunately probably Portland. I like Batum over Green and CJ is still a very intriguing prospect. My guess is that they would feel the same.

[KJandHondo35]

Hypothetically, I do think Green would flourish on a team like the Blazers as a clear 3/4th option, he is currently shooting a better % from 3 than Batum and plays better perimeter D… but the Blazers have the 2nd best record in the NBA and are not touching any starter. There’s no way they deal a starter with those guys playing the way they are, but a good chance that they make a lesser move to improve their defense in some capacity. Maybe like Bass for CJ and T Rob?

[ddb]

I look at Portland as an intriguing trade partner. I think we could all agree that this current Celtics roster, aside from Rondo, is filled with #3-#7 options/role players. So a team like Portland, who is surprisingly looking to contend for a Title this year could really benefit from dealing with Boston.

Their current bench is better then last year...but still a far cry away from where it needs to be. Aside from Mo Williams, their bench is inexperienced and thin. That of course could shift a bit if CJ Mc proves to be ready for prime time. He'd add a nice punch to their bench. But in the Western Conf you need depth in the front court. Bass would be a HUGE addition to that team. a reliable 3rd big who is playoff tested. Bass could guard anyone from Kevin Durant to Tim Duncan for stretches. He offers a unique blend of versatility to that Blazers team.

Personally, I think Portland says "YES" to my proposed deal because of Avery Bradley. Green isn't as well rounded as Batum, but he's as good if not BETTER offensively. So Green does a lot of what Batum does.. Bass is a perfect compliment to their front court. and then you have Bradley...the X factor of this trade. A wiz defensively who has game changing ability to pressure the ball. You pair him with a Lead guard who can score (Lillard) and that's a dream combination. Portland can then shift Wes Matthews to the bench where he'd join Mo Williams and Brandon Bass giving Portland a devastating 1-8. Lillard/Bradley/Green/LMA/Lopez... LMA and Lillard are their stars...their go-to scorers. Green becomes a 3rd/4th option which is what he should be. Lopez/Bradley anchor their defense inside/outside. Then off the bench you have a veteran floor general in Williams, a hard nosed scoring wing in Matthews and a solid PF in Bass.


For Boston...Ainge gets younger. Adds a pick. What he's really doing is rolling the dice on CJ. I also like Batum quite a bit. He's not a STAR but he's a very, very good complimentary piece. Leonard is a bust so far but he also hasn't exactly gotten an opportunity. Bigs can take a while to develop. 1 thing we know about Leonard is that he's very big and very athletic for his size. Maybe Boston can develop him. Could be a buy-low, sell high player for Ainge.
And finally, I also think this deal makes Boston worst THIS YEAR. Green/Bradley/Bass are who they are.. they are ready to win. so that draft pick of ours gets a little better perhaps?

[Ed Pinkney]

Don't see the Blazers moving anyone from their top seven or eight unless it is for a genuine blue chipper to add to Aldridge and Lillard. And if they did, I think they would do it in the off season as they would want to see how far they could go with this team they have this season as it is pretty much new territory for them. They are playing some of the best ball in the league, they are winning a lot and they genuinely seem to like playing with each other. You would want to be really careful changing what they have mid season unless it was too good to say no. Plus McCollum is about to make his debut so they would want to see what he brings to the party too.

I posted this a while ago (in this thread I think and then someone else also posted the same idea a little later) that I wouldn't mind trading Bass for Robinson and Leonard (both outside their core seven or eight guys). We send Brandon (a good guy) to a contender and get two young prospects back, the Blazers get a genuine third big man they should be able to rely on in a playoff series, something they don't have at the moment. Allows Aldridge to play some centre with Bass at the four which is a match up nightmare for many teams.

[KJandHondo35]

Don't see the Blazers moving anyone from their top seven or eight unless it is for a genuine blue chipper to add to Aldridge and Lillard. And if they did, I think they would do it in the off season as they would want to see how far they could go with this team they have this season as it is pretty much new territory for them. They are playing some of the best ball in the league, they are winning a lot and they genuinely seem to like playing with each other. You would want to be really careful changing what they have mid season unless it was too good to say no. Plus McCollum is about to make his debut so they would want to see what he brings to the party too.

I posted this a while ago (in this thread I think and then someone else also posted the same idea a little later) that I wouldn't mind trading Bass for Robinson and Leonard (both outside their core seven or eight guys). We send Brandon (a good guy) to a contender and get two young prospects back, the Blazers get a genuine third big man they should be able to rely on in a playoff series, something they don't have at the moment. Allows Aldridge to play some centre with Bass at the four which is a match up nightmare for many teams.

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