Jeff Green Traded to the Memphis Grizzlies (official woj tweet page 1)

[Andrew McCeltic]

With Green gone, Bass and Nelson should be next.

I got some weird feeling Bass is gonna stay, he's been rumored for years but I dont know. What contract would he get in free agency?

No idea. Maybe something in the range of 4 years, 8-9 mil per.

My guess is that they tell Bass and Thornton they'd love to keep them at the right price if they don't land a max free agent- Bayless money for Thornton (3 million), MLE money for Bass, or slightly less. If Bass can get that from a contender, more power to him. If not, I'd give him 4-5 million for a season or two..

[31to6]

Nice

ZBo will be toast in two years, but the rest will be in their prime if they're all there, still probably a good bet for nothing 'better' than the high teens (and likely the 20s) - have to hope for Gasol to leave in FA now (not that I actually want to see that happen; like the franchise - and given all he's said I don't expect it either). Still, another possibility to add to the "you-never-know" hopper.. and a good return for a guy we're better without.

Just checked on Tony Allen, who's no spring chicken. Turns out he's 32 today. He'll be pretty much toast by the time that pick comes around.

Pretty good deal all around, IMO.

Yeah, I mean I'm no oddsmaker but maybe 1-in-4 odds they fall out of the playoffs two years from now? 1-in-5? Either way it's in the same ballpark as us finally getting some damn luck in the draft lottery - the more cracks you have at lady luck, the more she might eventually fall your way..

[soxfan2003]

Nice

ZBo will be toast in two years, but the rest will be in their prime if they're all there, still probably a good bet for nothing 'better' than the high teens (and likely the 20s) - have to hope for Gasol to leave in FA now (not that I actually want to see that happen; like the franchise - and given all he's said I don't expect it either). Still, another possibility to add to the "you-never-know" hopper.. and a good return for a guy we're better without.

Just checked on Tony Allen, who's no spring chicken. Turns out he's 32 today. He'll be pretty much toast by the time that pick comes around.

Pretty good deal all around, IMO.

I like the trade from a Boston perspective but from a Memphis perspective, I would NOT have done the deal. When Ainge traded for Green, an argument could be made that he could turn it around and prove to be a valuable player but at this point, I just do not think Green is worth gambling on. Green is a good fit there and should be an upgrade to an older Prince but I think the Grizzlies would have been better served waiting to the last second and trying to convince Miami to trade Deng or do some other deal.

I do not think Miami wanted to be thought of as being in a hurry to trade Deng since it kind of looks bad to sign a guy like him as a FA to a reasonable 2 year deal and then trade him so quickly but perhaps right before the deadline Deng would have been ok with it.

[Chris4Vikes]

ZBo will be toast in two years, but the rest will be in their prime if they're all there, still probably a good bet for nothing 'better' than the high teens (and likely the 20s) - have to hope for Gasol to leave in FA now (not that I actually want to see that happen; like the franchise - and given all he's said I don't expect it either). Still, another possibility to add to the "you-never-know" hopper.. and a good return for a guy we're better without.

Just checked on Tony Allen, who's no spring chicken. Turns out he's 32 today. He'll be pretty much toast by the time that pick comes around.

Pretty good deal all around, IMO.

Yeah, I mean I'm no oddsmaker but maybe 1-in-4 odds they fall out of the playoffs two years from now? 1-in-5? Either way it's in the same ballpark as us finally getting some damn luck in the draft lottery - the more cracks you have at lady luck, the more she might eventually fall your way..

This is a very good pick for Cs. Memphis probably had to lighten up on protection based on how far away the pick is.

[Afam]

:clap:

2019 1-8,
2020 1-6,
2021 unprotected.

I like the protection!

I need more clarification on this please. For Example pertaining the 2019 pick if it falls out of the top 8 (Top 9) do the Celtics get the pick the Pick, or does it belong to the Grizzles. Same goes for the 2020 pick ? .

[165bows]

ZBo will be toast in two years, but the rest will be in their prime if they're all there, still probably a good bet for nothing 'better' than the high teens (and likely the 20s) - have to hope for Gasol to leave in FA now (not that I actually want to see that happen; like the franchise - and given all he's said I don't expect it either). Still, another possibility to add to the "you-never-know" hopper.. and a good return for a guy we're better without.

Just checked on Tony Allen, who's no spring chicken. Turns out he's 32 today. He'll be pretty much toast by the time that pick comes around.

Pretty good deal all around, IMO.

Yeah, I mean I'm no oddsmaker but maybe 1-in-4 odds they fall out of the playoffs two years from now? 1-in-5? Either way it's in the same ballpark as us finally getting some damn luck in the draft lottery - the more cracks you have at lady luck, the more she might eventually fall your way..

Agree it's too far out to call it anything other than what the protections are. 2019 draft will be four full years into a new deal for Gasol assuming he signs. Eternity in basketball years. Lakers and Nets mega dynasties couldn't get through year one lol.

[31to6]

Just checked on Tony Allen, who's no spring chicken. Turns out he's 32 today. He'll be pretty much toast by the time that pick comes around.

Pretty good deal all around, IMO.

Yeah, I mean I'm no oddsmaker but maybe 1-in-4 odds they fall out of the playoffs two years from now? 1-in-5? Either way it's in the same ballpark as us finally getting some damn luck in the draft lottery - the more cracks you have at lady luck, the more she might eventually fall your way..

Agree it's too far out to call it anything other than what the protections are. 2019 draft will be four full years into a new deal for Gasol assuming he signs. Eternity in basketball years. Lakers and Nets mega dynasties couldn't get through year one lol.

+1 for calling out the Nets and especially Lakers.

Am I forgetting something - is the pick unlikely to be conveyed until 2019 due to other MEM pick deals?
If so me likey MUCH more (not that I dislike it now).

[UGA Hayes]

Can someone reiterate what the deal on the Denver rights on memphis pick is. I was under the impression that it was unlikely would get the pick before 2019. Is that right?

[15th overall]

From the thread on the LAC board that CFinLBC posted a few pages back:

The Clippers had the chance to be involved in a major trade, but ultimately the price was too high.

Boston small forward Jeff Green appears headed to Memphis, and like most small forwards on the trade block, he was on the Clippers’ radar. Green could have potentially been in a deal for Matt Barnes, Jamal Crawford and a first-round pick – likely the Clippers’ 2019 selection – but that was a cost the Clippers didn’t want to pay.

The Clippers also were interested in Memphis reserve forward Quincy Pondexter, who will reportedly be moved to New Orleans in the three-team deal that sent Green to the Grizzlies.

Dan Woike, OC Register

That's too bad. I'm more confident in Doc ufcking up his team's future than Memphis doing so. Crawford could've net us something half-decent too.

Really sucks they don't have more to barter with. I don't believe for a second that Doc would be above overpaying for his child.

[FlatearthZorro]

Can someone reiterate what the deal on the Denver rights on memphis pick is. I was under the impression that it was unlikely would get the pick before 2019. Is that right?

The pick is top 12 protected in 2019(heavily protected before that), again protected in 2020, unprotected in 2021... Yea, this just happened.

[Chris4Vikes]

Can someone reiterate what the deal on the Denver rights on memphis pick is. I was under the impression that it was unlikely would get the pick before 2019. Is that right?

2015 first round draft pick from Memphis
Memphis' 1st round pick to Denver (via Cleveland) protected for selections 1-5 and 15-30 in 2015, 1-5 and 15-30 in 2016, 1-5 in 2017 and 1-5 in 2018 and unprotected in 2019 [Cleveland-Memphis, 1/22/2013; Cleveland-Denver, 1/7/2015]

[UGA Hayes]

Wow I think memphis pick just became our most interesting pick.

[klemen4]

Its 1-8 protected in 2019 !

[Chris4Vikes]

Wow I think memphis pick just became our most interesting pick.

It's essentially a top 8 protected 2019 pick.

[SMTBSI]

And this means Austin can't be folded into a bigger deal- he's a Celtic or he's in a 1-1 swap.

Common misconception. He simply can't be sent out in a trade that aggregates his salary with another Celtic.

He can be:
- Sent out himself in a 1-for-2 (or more).
- Sent out in a larger trade where no aggregation occurs (i.e. where the trade can be interpreted as separate parallel trades: Player A @3mil and Player B @4mil for Player C @3mil and Player D @4mil). (Mentioned it before, but this is one of the areas where the ESPN trade machine fails.)

In addition, teams cannot trade players under the following circumstances:

- For two months after receiving the player in trade, if the trade aggregates the player's salary with the salaries of other players. However, the team is free to trade the player immediately, either by himself or without aggregating his salary with other salaries. This restriction applies only to players who were acquired using an exception (and not cap room).

Wow I think memphis pick just became our most interesting pick.

Indeed. There's a very good chance it becomes something solid in that 2019-2021 time frame. That's the trade-off: real chance of it being very good, in exchange for it being far in the future.

It's essentially a top 8 protected 2019 pick.

Right. That.

[31to6]

Well, now that we've fire-saled Rondo and Green we can't say that we're "outsourcing our tanking" to Brooklyn anymore (more like, we'll see them in Seacaucus) - but we can hope that by 2019, we are with MEM.

[Andrew McCeltic]

And this means Austin can't be folded into a bigger deal- he's a Celtic or he's in a 1-1 swap.

Common misconception. He simply can't be sent out in a trade that aggregates his salary with another Celtic.

He can be:
- Sent out himself in a 1-for-2 (or more).
- Sent out in a larger trade where no aggregation occurs (i.e. where the trade can be interpreted as separate parallel trades: Player A @3mil and Player B @4mil for Player C @3mil and Player D @4mil). (Mentioned it before, but this is one of the areas where the ESPN trade machine fails.)

In addition, teams cannot trade players under the following circumstances:

- For two months after receiving the player in trade, if the trade aggregates the player's salary with the salaries of other players. However, the team is free to trade the player immediately, either by himself or without aggregating his salary with other salaries. This restriction applies only to players who were acquired using an exception (and not cap room).

Didn't know that, thanks- so he can be packaged as long as his salary matches someone coming back to Boston.. The league doesn't consider that to be circumventing the CBA?

[Andrew McCeltic]

So that applies to Tayshaun Prince, too.. Interesting- I hope Danny's got a little more creative dealing in him.

[mbsnmisc]

I think Prince will be offered a buyout. At his salary, he is a negative asset.

[darrendaye]

So that applies to Tayshaun Prince, too.. Interesting- I hope Danny's got a little more creative dealing in him.

Hope Ainge is on the phone tonight flipping Prince to Toronto for Chuck Hayes and 2nd round picks in 2018 and 2019. I can't see him getting more than a couple of 2nds.