Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Crowder, 3 & Lakers/Sac Pick for Zinger works for both the Celts & Knicks - works even better against Cleveland and GS, and I rather slightly overpay for Zinger than Butler as Zinger fills a big need, younger, cheaper, more cost controlled, is resplendent in Brad's system, and would be perfect with Hayward.
DO IT, DANNY!

[jeremym480]

Yes, please!

IT, Rozier, D. Jackson
Bradley, Smart
Hayward, Brown, Nader
Zinger, Theis, Yabu
Horford, Zizic

We should have room to sign another big for experience/depth too. Maybe like Z-Bo or Taj Gibson or even JaVale.

[nickgammon]

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Make it happen... Would look great next to Horford, and can contribute now and in the future. What do you think they'd want?

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No idea, maybe #3 and the Lakers/Kings pick? Would that be an overpay? I'm not high on anyone at #3, and the Lakers/Kings pick may not be until '19. I'd have to consider it...

I'd give them #3, one of the BKN or LAL/SAC picks, maybe one of our firsts for next year or 2019 (whatever they prefer) and then Bradley/Crowder. If we could get him for less (which we might, because Phil has clearly lost his mind) then great. But while we end up giving up a lot, we're getting a guy who checks all the boxes, isn't a flight risk, and keeps us in good enough financial shape to still sign Hayward.

This is a trade that keeps you possibly in the running now and in the future so I'm all for it. KP and AD are the only two on the market that warrant a Godfather offer so I wouldn't lose my mind if DA pays a hefty price for him.

[mg]

Dudes like PG and Butler showing their true colors now.

If I was Ainge I'd be all in on Porzingis.

[BannerStatus]

Send SAC IT and #3 for 5 & 10 - hope for DSJ and Isaac. I'm all in.

Billy King, is that you?

It's the crazy season, man. I need to move away from the internet. I'm bugging.

[chrisab123]

Offer Indy the Memphis pick the Celtics 18 pick and the 2nd rounders this year for George. He fits in perfectly. Then obviously you move Crowder and Bradley elsewhere for cap room to bring in Hayward/Griffin.

[Jingles]

From a rich guy pays extra money standpoint I couldn't care less about maxing IT.

From a teambuilding/trying to win championships standpoint, maxing IT is nonsensical. That it helps the bottom line to not do it is just a bonus, I guess. Once you've got Hayward + another star all you need from the point is credible distribution (we're already not playing with a true point), hard-nosed defense (right now we're outsourcing our point guard defense to our shooting guard), and the ability to knock down open threes.

That player is either a Marcus Smart who has figured out his shot or someone you pick up for the MLE. Ainge is saying all the right things about IT given what he's accomplished, but let's be real here—maxing him would be insane when his role with Hayward and Butler, for example, becomes glorified Jason Terry.

IT is still a better offensive player than both Hayward and Butler. I really doubt he becomes a "glorified Jason Terry" if those two are on the team.

Actually what is so bad about a glorified Jason Terry? haha. Terry was the second option on a contender and championship team for years. A better version of that..is a really good thing to have even at ~25 million a year (didn't IT say he would take less recently to bring guys in? I feel like I read that somewhere..or it could be just a rumor).

If we want to compete with GSW (which bringing Hayward and Butler is a sign of), we need as much as offense you can get and be as versatile on defense as possible (which I'll admit, IT obviously hurts). We need IT to give us 25 and for Butler and Hayward to each give us 21-24 PPG to even be in the conversation.

Maybe there is a chance we can compete with Hayward and Butler without IT..but the system has to be perfect and the defense has to be more elite than elite.

He might be better than each one individually (I'd quibble but it's close enough), but a team with both of them and generic MLE PG who can hit threes minus IT is better offensively and significantly better on defense.

Golden State just averaged 121 ppg against Cleveland—what do they do against a team that has a 5'9" guard on the floor for 37 minutes?

[DarkAzcura]

From a rich guy pays extra money standpoint I couldn't care less about maxing IT.

From a teambuilding/trying to win championships standpoint, maxing IT is nonsensical. That it helps the bottom line to not do it is just a bonus, I guess. Once you've got Hayward + another star all you need from the point is credible distribution (we're already not playing with a true point), hard-nosed defense (right now we're outsourcing our point guard defense to our shooting guard), and the ability to knock down open threes.

That player is either a Marcus Smart who has figured out his shot or someone you pick up for the MLE. Ainge is saying all the right things about IT given what he's accomplished, but let's be real here—maxing him would be insane when his role with Hayward and Butler, for example, becomes glorified Jason Terry.

IT is still a better offensive player than both Hayward and Butler. I really doubt he becomes a "glorified Jason Terry" if those two are on the team.

Actually what is so bad about a glorified Jason Terry? haha. Terry was the second option on a contender and championship team for years. A better version of that..is a really good thing to have even at ~25 million a year (didn't IT say he would take less recently to bring guys in? I feel like I read that somewhere..or it could be just a rumor).

If we want to compete with GSW (which bringing Hayward and Butler is a sign of), we need as much as offense you can get and be as versatile on defense as possible (which I'll admit, IT obviously hurts). We need IT to give us 25 and for Butler and Hayward to each give us 21-24 PPG to even be in the conversation.

Maybe there is a chance we can compete with Hayward and Butler without IT..but the system has to be perfect and the defense has to be more elite than elite.

He might be better than each one individually (I'd quibble but it's close enough), but a team with both of them and generic MLE PG who can hit threes minus IT is better offensively and significantly better on defense.

Golden State just averaged 121 ppg against Cleveland—what do they do against a team that has a 5'9" guard on the floor for 37 minutes?

Honestly probably not much more..Kyrie and their perimeter got lit up more than ours probably ever would.

[nickgammon]

IT is still a better offensive player than both Hayward and Butler. I really doubt he becomes a "glorified Jason Terry" if those two are on the team.

Actually what is so bad about a glorified Jason Terry? haha. Terry was the second option on a contender and championship team for years. A better version of that..is a really good thing to have even at ~25 million a year (didn't IT say he would take less recently to bring guys in? I feel like I read that somewhere..or it could be just a rumor).

If we want to compete with GSW (which bringing Hayward and Butler is a sign of), we need as much as offense you can get and be as versatile on defense as possible (which I'll admit, IT obviously hurts). We need IT to give us 25 and for Butler and Hayward to each give us 21-24 PPG to even be in the conversation.

Maybe there is a chance we can compete with Hayward and Butler without IT..but the system has to be perfect and the defense has to be more elite than elite.

He might be better than each one individually (I'd quibble but it's close enough), but a team with both of them and generic MLE PG who can hit threes minus IT is better offensively and significantly better on defense.

Golden State just averaged 121 ppg against Cleveland—what do they do against a team that has a 5'9" guard on the floor for 37 minutes?

Honestly probably not much more..Kyrie and their perimeter got lit up more than ours probably ever would.

Yeah, the team's a threat to put up 120+ against any team any night, but our backcourt has matched up pretty well with their backcourt over the past couple of years. The team's got so much firepower that they're going to put up their points regardless.

[Disinformation]

Here's my shot at a BOS-NYK-LAC Porzingis trade:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8qq3ybk

The thinking on this is:

• Phil agrees to move KP if he can also move Anthony. He is also well known to like Crowder.
• Anthony waives his no trade clause to go play with his best friend CP in LA.
• The Clippers view acquiring Carmelo is a positive in this scenario since it doesn't cost them any of their core guys and would probably convince Chris Paul to resign. If they can convince Blake to stay, too, they have improved their team and if not, at least they have a semi-replacement for him in Anthony.
• Obviously picks are going to NYK in this trade. I'll let others debate which one(s) and how many but I think the haul is reduced because they get to move Anthony. Maybe LAC kicks in something along those lines, too.
• The trade also works if the C's include Terry Rozier.
• Paul Pierce is included to make the numbers work AND so he can retire a Celtic. He won't be on the roster next year (since he'll be on ESPN).

[FlatearthZorro]

I would give the full MLE to Pau to come off the bench. 2 years worth.

[165bows]

I would give the full MLE to Pau to come off the bench. 2 years worth.

That's what I want for ZBo. Let him have the Amir role.

[CollegeToPros]

All in on Zinger. Tell me the price. We have picks and players. Make it work

[Roddy]

Butler > Cavs
PG13 > Lakers
Melo > LAC
Paul > Spurs

Olynyk > C's

[Scarletfire81]

Ainge may have to overpay to Pozingus. 2017 #3 2018 LAL and 2018 NETS with Brown. DO WE DO IT?

[CollegeToPros]

Ainge may have to overpay to Pozingus. 2017 #3 2018 LAL and 2018 NETS with Brown. DO WE DO IT?

I'd pay a lot for him. That's too much.

[Roddy]

Ainge may have to overpay to Pozingus. 2017 #3 2018 LAL and 2018 NETS with Brown. DO WE DO IT?

We are talking about Porzingis, not Anthony Davis (well, even for Davis it's too much).

[MrClass]

Ainge may have to overpay to Pozingus. 2017 #3 2018 LAL and 2018 NETS with Brown. DO WE DO IT?

something else?

[165bows]

Ainge may have to overpay to Pozingus. 2017 #3 2018 LAL and 2018 NETS with Brown. DO WE DO IT?

That would be without a doubt the best overall trade package ever sent in the NBA.

[Scarletfire81]

Ainge may have to overpay to Pozingus. 2017 #3 2018 LAL and 2018 NETS with Brown. DO WE DO IT?

We are talking about Porzingis, not Anthony Davis (well, even for Davis it's too much).

Maybe if we replace Brown with Crowder and 2018 BKN with 2018 Celtics?