Last Train to Celticsville Trade Thread

[Hal14]

John Collins is 23 years old, but also with a good amount of experience in the league for his age. fits our timeline perfectly.

6'9", can rebound, block shots. perfect modern PF who can sometimes play C in a small ball lineup.

shooting 43% from 3.

he'd be perfect.

if we can get him w/ out having to give up tatum, brown or rob, you do it and don't look back.

[fallguy]

John Collins is 23 years old, but also with a good amount of experience in the league for his age. fits our timeline perfectly.

6'9", can rebound, block shots. perfect modern PF who can sometimes play C in a small ball lineup.

shooting 43% from 3.

he'd be perfect.

if we can get him w/ out having to give up tatum, brown or rob, you do it and don't look back.

Admittedly he is a perfect fit with Rob in the front court.

[GoCeltics123]

I’m shocked by this development.

Hey, I remember over the summer he said he didn't even know if we were going to go after him lol

It’s always been their intention, and it’s a horrible secret.

Obviously doesn’t mean they’ll get him, but it’s plan A.

Most interesting thing he said:

he said if Rob is moved for Beal or someone of the like, that Jalen Smith is a possibility for the C's to be his replacement (he said he heard for a few days now from his sources of our interest in Jalen Smith). That's how Jake connected the dots at least.

He also said the C's are very high on Simmons but won't move the Jays for him

[fallguy]

Thought experiment:

The C's trade for Beal but retain JB and JT. Presumably you lose Rob in the deal.

Do you then look to deal JB for better roster balance?

[Feed Your Head]

Hey, I remember over the summer he said he didn't even know if we were going to go after him lol

It’s always been their intention, and it’s a horrible secret.

Obviously doesn’t mean they’ll get him, but it’s plan A.

Most interesting thing he said:

he said if Rob is moved for Beal or someone of the like, that Jalen Smith is a possibility for the C's to be his replacement. That's how Jake connected the dots at least.

He also said the C's are very high on Simmons but won't move the Jays for him

They won’t move Tatum for Simmons? Way to put yourself out there, Jake.

[Feed Your Head]

Thought experiment:

The C's trade for Beal but retain JB and JT. Presumably you lose Rob in the deal.

Do you then look to deal JB for better roster balance?

I would, but I’d think most here wouldn’t.

[playa-hater]

I wonder if it is possible or likely we can get Beal at the deadline vs this summer?? I am guessing if Beal continues to not want to re-up. But it would cost us more at the deadline..

[fallguy]

Thought experiment:

The C's trade for Beal but retain JB and JT. Presumably you lose Rob in the deal.

Do you then look to deal JB for better roster balance?

I would, but I’d think most here wouldn’t.

I kinda wonder if this is the point of the extra year on the Richardson contract.

Deal Rob, picks and other pieces and salary for Beal.

Trade JB for frontcourt or PG help.

Give Richardson a bigger role as a JB replacement.

[GoCeltics123]

Thought experiment:

The C's trade for Beal but retain JB and JT. Presumably you lose Rob in the deal.

Do you then look to deal JB for better roster balance?

I would, but I’d think most here wouldn’t.

I would consider it, but only for the right player(s) tbh

Like, if it's for Fox or something, I'd pass

[Larry_Russell]

Horford, nesmith and Boston 1st, 2 Laker seconds 2nds, 1 laker 1st to Houston (Wood and Theis, Augustine out)

Schroder, Porzingas to Lakers (Westbrook and Picks(1-1st, 2-2nds out)

Westbrook, Wood and Augustine to Dallas (THjr, Brunson, KP out)

Brunson, THjr, Theis to Boston (Horford, Schroder, 1st)


Lakers improve now, save salary for offseason
Dallas improves short term, but loads capspace availability for the summer of Jokic
Houston sheds salary, adds youth and loads of picks
Boston adds a point, a backup center and a shooter off the bench.

Am pretty sure that Brunson's a 2022 UFA. Am not dealing a FRP for a few months of Brunson.

Yup, but extension eligible 4 years 54 million. He wont get more than that on the open market imo

[CelticFaninLBC]

Well, it values Collins as the best player in the deal, or the most valuable (age, contract), which I agree with. But Detroit doesn’t want Smart.. I’d take out Pritchard or the 1st on our end.. Romeo an option, too.

Romeo >> PP

Keep in mind that Boston gets Wright, who is a decent backup pg.

Wright is ok, but expiring. We’d go into the off-season with no point guards under contract and an MLE. Using it keeps us in the tax.

If we give up a 1st and Atlanta gives up a 1st, that’s plenty for Detroit.

They can have Nesmith or a 1st, more than that is wasting leverage. We’re not paying for Collins straight up, we’re paying part of the price for Grant.

I don't have much confidence in PP being more than 15 minute per night guy with a sub .500 team...

[Bohemian]

Hey, I remember over the summer he said he didn't even know if we were going to go after him lol

It’s always been their intention, and it’s a horrible secret.

Obviously doesn’t mean they’ll get him, but it’s plan A.

Most interesting thing he said:

he said if Rob is moved for Beal or someone of the like, that Jalen Smith is a possibility for the C's to be his replacement (he said he heard for a few days now from his sources of our interest in Jalen Smith). That's how Jake connected the dots at least.

He also said the C's are very high on Simmons but won't move the Jays for him

Come on, Brad. Get Beal in green already.

Beal
Brown
Tatum

[Hal14]

It’s always been their intention, and it’s a horrible secret.

Obviously doesn’t mean they’ll get him, but it’s plan A.

Most interesting thing he said:

he said if Rob is moved for Beal or someone of the like, that Jalen Smith is a possibility for the C's to be his replacement (he said he heard for a few days now from his sources of our interest in Jalen Smith). That's how Jake connected the dots at least.

He also said the C's are very high on Simmons but won't move the Jays for him

Come on, Brad. Get Beal in green already.

Beal
Brown
Tatum

We're a game behind the wizards in the standings - I doubt they give him to us right now.

I feel like if it happens, it'll either be in the offseason - or possibly if all of a sudden we win some games, washington loses some games and we're at least 2 games ahead of them in the standings prior to the deadline..

otherwise, i don't know if it makes sense for Beal to jump ship and ask to be traded to a team that's worse than the team he's on now. if he asks to be traded, it's gotta be to a team that's clearly better than the one he's on now..

[Feed Your Head]

Most interesting thing he said:

he said if Rob is moved for Beal or someone of the like, that Jalen Smith is a possibility for the C's to be his replacement (he said he heard for a few days now from his sources of our interest in Jalen Smith). That's how Jake connected the dots at least.

He also said the C's are very high on Simmons but won't move the Jays for him

Come on, Brad. Get Beal in green already.

Beal
Brown
Tatum

We're a game behind the wizards in the standings - I doubt they give him to us right now.

I feel like if it happens, it'll either be in the offseason - or possibly if all of a sudden we win some games, washington loses some games and we're at least 2 games ahead of them in the standings prior to the deadline..

otherwise, i don't know if it makes sense for Beal to jump ship and ask to be traded to a team that's worse than the team he's on now. if he asks to be traded, it's gotta be to a team that's clearly better than the one he's on now..

It’s the Tatum factor, they are very open about wanting to play with each other. Plus, Beal knows if you add him to this team, they’d be way better than the wizards.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Romeo >> PP

Keep in mind that Boston gets Wright, who is a decent backup pg.

Wright is ok, but expiring. We’d go into the off-season with no point guards under contract and an MLE. Using it keeps us in the tax.

If we give up a 1st and Atlanta gives up a 1st, that’s plenty for Detroit.

They can have Nesmith or a 1st, more than that is wasting leverage. We’re not paying for Collins straight up, we’re paying part of the price for Grant.

I don't have much confidence in PP being more than 15 minute per night guy with a sub .500 team...

Idk, seems like a guy who could thrive 10 - 15 a night on a team like Milwaukee, too. Where the rest of the roster is so good they can afford a flawed specialist. Shooting like that I'd be surprised if he doesn't play at least a couple of seasons past his rookie deal.

[cl2117]

Most interesting thing he said:

he said if Rob is moved for Beal or someone of the like, that Jalen Smith is a possibility for the C's to be his replacement (he said he heard for a few days now from his sources of our interest in Jalen Smith). That's how Jake connected the dots at least.

He also said the C's are very high on Simmons but won't move the Jays for him

Come on, Brad. Get Beal in green already.

Beal
Brown
Tatum

We're a game behind the wizards in the standings - I doubt they give him to us right now.

I feel like if it happens, it'll either be in the offseason - or possibly if all of a sudden we win some games, washington loses some games and we're at least 2 games ahead of them in the standings prior to the deadline..

otherwise, i don't know if it makes sense for Beal to jump ship and ask to be traded to a team that's worse than the team he's on now. if he asks to be traded, it's gotta be to a team that's clearly better than the one he's on now..

I don't think that's true. I don't think it matters if he's being traded to a team that's not significantly better pre-trade as long as they are post-trade. Especially if the Wiz taking a draft pick laden package in return. C's would take a massive step forward with a third star and Wiz aren't in a position to do the same.

The question really is what does Beal want to do about his money. I think the most likely outcome at this stage is that he stays, signs the supermax and then asks to be traded. Wizards get to trade him on an extension, albeit on crazy big money, Beal gets his extra year/payday and they both keep their happy marriage a little while longer.

I don't think Beal is the kind of guy to get so desperate for winning that he asks out early and takes money off the table.

[Curmudgeon]

If Beal is desperate for winning he won't come Boston. Tatum, Brown Beal and the 7 dwarves won't be good enough.

I have no problem, though, with Stevens stocking up for a run at Beal this Summer. It may keep him from doing something stupid.

[Andrew McCeltic]

It’s always been their intention, and it’s a horrible secret.

Obviously doesn’t mean they’ll get him, but it’s plan A.

Most interesting thing he said:

he said if Rob is moved for Beal or someone of the like, that Jalen Smith is a possibility for the C's to be his replacement. That's how Jake connected the dots at least.

He also said the C's are very high on Simmons but won't move the Jays for him

They won’t move Tatum for Simmons? Way to put yourself out there, Jake.

Hate seeing Rob go out in a Beal trade but understand why they'd do it. I've cooled on Beal a lot, he's empty stats to me.

Very high on Simmons is interesting, at least. No path to get him.

[Bad-Thoma]

If Beal is desperate for winning he won't come Boston. Tatum, Brown Beal and the 7 dwarves won't be good enough.

I have no problem, though, with Stevens stocking up for a run at Beal this Summer. It may keep him from doing something stupid.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Bagley last night- still sucks, made some bonehead plays, couple of idiotic turnovers, and my favorite is at 3:02 where he steals the ball by accident.. but he rebounds relatively well, he's good for putbacks and has a reliable jump hook thing in the paint. Looks here like he's at least playing with a pro level of focus, mistakes aside - isn't milling around without a clue..

Obviously you can't add to the tax bill for him, but.. something with Al to Sacramento (they buy him out to join a contender), Bagley here, Hield to a third team.. maybe to Cleveland for Rubio's expiring?

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