Trade Landscape/Trade Ideas

Post #121 » by **sully00** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:17 pm

I have no idea what the mindset truly is in PHI but it seems like they want to divorce themselves from the past even to the point of that past being like 2 or 3 years ago. I guess if your going to strip your team down to go after 19 year olds then 25 year olds may seem ancient. I think what PHI is doing is stupid so I can't really get in their heads.

It has been difficult to move guys like Turner recently, guys who are high draft picks that are talented but not what they should have been, Mayo and Tyreke Evans come to mind. Because of their QO they are going to be expensive to keep teams seem reluctant to want to kick in much value with them because you know you will have to overpay them as well.

Post #122 » by **165bows** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:07 pm

sully00 wrote:I have no idea what the mindset truly is in PHI but it seems like they want to divorce themselves from the past even to the point of that past being like 2 or 3 years ago. I guess if your going to strip your team down to go after 19 year olds then 25 year olds may seem ancient. I think what PHI is doing is stupid so I can't really get in their heads.

It has been difficult to move guys like Turner recently, guys who are high draft picks that are talented but not what they should have been, Mayo and Tyreke Evans come to mind. Because of their QO they are going to be expensive to keep teams seem reluctant to want to kick in much value with them because you know you will have to overpay them as well.

Yup, Derrick Williams landing in that boat as well.

I keep kicking around Jeff Green trades for some reason (can't be because of a few preseason games, right? :lol:

) I think he is going to bounce back but couldn't help playing around with this:

Denver: McGee out, first rounder out
Greg Monroe in, Courtney Lee in

Detroit: Jeff Green in
Greg Monroe out, Jerebko out

Boston: McGee in, Jerebko in, Denver first rounder in

A lot of the top prospects are 3's or 3/4's, so Jeff could be redundant. Detroit gets it's wing, and Denver could go small with Monroe/Faried or big with Mozgov/Monroe/Faried.

Don't think I would do it, not enough return. Of course any Detroit fan will freak out at the thought. Hopefully 2nd half 2012 Jeff Green shows up to start the year. I think Jeff Green will turn it on when the regular season starts. Just seemed like an interesting potential fit all the way around.

Ed Pinkney · Post #123 » by **Ed Pinkney** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:36 am

Any trade the Celtics make would hopefully relieve the logjam at the two and the four. To be honest, if Jeff Green is going out then we should be setting our goals higher than Mcgee.

24istheLAW · Post #124 » by **24istheLAW** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:47 pm

Ed Pinkney wrote:Any trade the Celtics make would hopefully relieve the logjam at the two and the four. To be honest, if Jeff Green is going out then we should be setting our goals higher than Mcgee.

On this team and at equal salaries, I'd take McGee over Green in a heartbeat. McGee/Olynyk /Sullinger would be a fantastic rotation of big men. The things McGee can do complement Olynyk or Sullinger very well IMO.

Post #125 » by **165bows** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:17 pm

Ed Pinkney wrote:Any trade the Celtics make would hopefully relieve the logjam at the two and the four. To be honest, if Jeff Green is going out then we should be setting our goals higher than Mcgee.

I tend to agree with this and as I said above it was more spitballing than anything. McGee's got great talent but too many advanced stats say he hurts team D and rebounding (just from what I've read), despite his rebounding and shot blocking. My thought was they could up his value and turn him around to another team, or perhaps the same deal above but with an additional pick or something. Didn't want to risk the wrath of lurkers from other teams who don't think Uncle Jeff will gain in value. Who knows, maybe Stevens can be the one to solve the riddle, McGee is certainly the size and type of athlete this team needs.

FWIW the Nuggets doubled down on McGee this offseason by dealing Koufos, and so far he hasn't been good through the preseason, it looks like. With new front office there, if they start off slow they seem prime candidates to shake it up.

GhostofJizzbird · Post #126 » by **GhostofJizzbird** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:58 pm

I don't see Denver doing that trade. Swapping Monroe for McGee is an upgrade, but it doesn't fix the Nuggets' frontcourt spacing issues when pairing him with Faried. Is Monroe a good enough help defender to erase Faried/Hickson's mistakes in the pick and roll? And if they do think that Monroe is the future, why are they taking on Lee's contract when they already have Randy Foye on the books until '16 and they will probably need to overpay Monroe to keep him next summer as an RFA? Is that all worth a late lottery 2014 1st?

ddb · Post #127 » by **ddb** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:43 pm

Mods, merge this if there's a trade idea thread. I couldn't find a trade thread. Anyway, trade idea is listed below.

Boston Trades Brandon Bass, Jeff Green and Courtney Lee to Detroit for Charlie V, Rodney Stuckey and Kyle Singler.

Why for Detroit: Pistons have been in the lottery for awhile now. It's clear by the moves they have made that they're aiming for the playoffs and want to make some noise in the playoffs this season. This trade gives them 3 solid rotation players who provide depth, athleticism and versatility towards that goal.
Their team would be Jennings, Pope, Bynum, Lee, Smith, Green, Monroe, Drummond, Bass, Datome, Jerebko, Mitchell, Siva. That's a safe bet for the #6 or #7 seed. And who knows...Maybe Drummond continues to develop and turns into a Star. That team is crazy athletic...they're big. Nice mix of skill-sets.

Why for Boston: Bass/Green/Lee are 3 of the better players on this team and all will eat up significant minutes and help keep the Celtics competitive. By dealing these guys you're opening up minutes for the young players that you want to develop. You're also assuring yourself that you aren't winning many games.. With or without Rondo. And then the KEY.... Offload the contracts of Green/Bass/Lee in exchange for 2 large expirings (Charlie V and Stuckey) and then you're also bringing in a nice young player in Singler who can be a part of the next Title core in Boston. All great teams need floor spacing. Singler gives you that. He's a Mike Miller/Kyle Korver type.

Ainge would be accomplishing so much by doing this deal. It would be the Basketball version of the Sox/Dodgers trade. He would then have a ton of minutes to develop the young core. He'd have a high lottery pick in a good draft.... and he'd have significant cap space to target a MAX Free Agent this year or next year as Hump/Charlie/Stuckey/Bogans/Crawford/Brooks could ALL come off the books. WOW.

This trade could turn the Celtics around in 1 freakin season. Extend Rondo. Let him be the PG who attracts a star to come play with him. Draft a blue chipper. You're talking major, major turnaround potential.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #128 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:52 pm

Who changed the thread title?

Post #129 » by **Slartibartfast** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:06 pm

andy582 wrote:Who changed the thread title?

Me - sorry, Andy. Needed a place for trade ideas and as your thread has already been stickied for the purpose, I thought the title should reflect it.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #130 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:55 pm

How about Trade Landscape / Trade Ideas

Post #131 » by **Slartibartfast** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:03 pm

andy582 wrote:How about Trade Landscape / Trade Ideas

Sure.

FlawlessV_7 · Post #132 » by **FlawlessV_7** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:17 am

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=k9vtr88

If it comes to pass that Rondo is on the move (not saying I would trade him, just in theory), what do people make of the following trade with the Magic...

Orlando trades Jameer Nelson, Aaron Affalo and their first round pick this year with top 3 protection. Roles over to next season with same protection if Celtics do not get this year's pick.

Celtics trade Rajon Rondo and Courtney Lee.

Why for Magic : They get an elite pg to pair with Oladipo and set them up to be very good next season. Lee performed well in Orlando in the past making his contract more palatable. They retain top three protection in this year's great draft.

Why for Celtics: They get a big upgrade at sg in Affalo who is only making a small amount more than Lee. Nelson is a competent pg on an OK, short term contract. The pick is likely to be in the 4-10 range in this year's great draft. Added to their own, thats potentially two top ten picks which would be huge.

Thoughts...

Andrew McCeltic · Post #133 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:38 am

Adding Rondo makes the Magic better, their pick gets worse; losing Rondo makes us worse, the pick gets better.

We don't need to get worse, since we'll already be in the 4-10 range. So wait until the summer when you know where the pick is and who's on the board.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #134 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:46 am

Remember when we talk about getting Omer Asik that he makes 5 million this year and 15 million next year (the last year of the deal). Such an unusual contract, could give us luxury tax problems if we acquired him..

BRUNiNHO91 · Post #135 » by **BRUNiNHO91** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 2:43 am

Idk if anybody has mentioned this before, but I think a trade with Chicago might work if they decide to move Deng. Deng for Jeff and Bass would work. Why for Chicago? Jeff gives the Bulls two more years of similar production to Luol, at a lower price tag as Deng will probably demand a bigger contract than the one Jeff currently has and Bass gives them another big with playoff experience off the bench to play with Gibson. Luol would give us 14 millie in expiring.

That would be 14 million off Deng, 12 off Humprhies and 5 off Bogans. 31 million in salaries coming off the books next year. If we let go of the options on Brooks and Crawford that would give us the space for a near max guy next year to go along with a lottery pick and a late first rounder. I'd go to work with that anyday.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #136 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 2:57 am

I don't like it as a salary dump.. Maybe if we are moving Wallace, even if it means including Bradley..

And I have no idea what the Bulls will do.. the guy they've always looked to move, supposedly, is Boozer. I could see them moving Deng to NOP for Gordon and Aminu.. But to get better than they are at this point-- and they're basically a contender with Rose back-- they need to improve offensively without getting worse on defense, and ideally they would cut salary, too..

brackdan70 · Post #137 » by **brackdan70** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:21 pm

BRUNiNHO91 wrote:Idk if anybody has mentioned this before, but I think a trade with Chicago might work if they decide to move Deng. Deng for Jeff and Bass would work. Why for Chicago? Jeff gives the Bulls two more years of similar production to Luol, at a lower price tag as Deng will probably demand a bigger contract than the one Jeff currently has and Bass gives them another big with playoff experience off the bench to play with Gibson. Luol would give us 14 millie in expiring.

That would be 14 million off Deng, 12 off Humprhies and 5 off Bogans. 31 million in salaries coming off the books next year. If we let go of the options on Brooks and Crawford that would give us the space for a near max guy next year to go along with a lottery pick and a late first rounder. I'd go to work with that anyday.

that would leave us with somewhere around 44-45 million committed next year if AB is signed..including draft picks and Sully option. enough to sign a guy to 12-13 million..... any thoughts?
we could make a QO to Monroe or Heyward if they don't sign extensions?
Who is out there next year that we want to commit too?

I would say we are better off trying to build through trades and draft...Green is an asset, I think we would wan't something back besides an expiring contract.

ddb · Post #138 » by **ddb** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:37 pm

BRUNiNHO91 wrote:Idk if anybody has mentioned this before, but I think a trade with Chicago might work if they decide to move Deng. Deng for Jeff and Bass would work. Why for Chicago? Jeff gives the Bulls two more years of similar production to Luol, at a lower price tag as Deng will probably demand a bigger contract than the one Jeff currently has and Bass gives them another big with playoff experience off the bench to play with Gibson. Luol would give us 14 millie in expiring.

That would be 14 million off Deng, 12 off Humprhies and 5 off Bogans. 31 million in salaries coming off the books next year. If we let go of the options on Brooks and Crawford that would give us the space for a near max guy next year to go along with a lottery pick and a late first rounder. I'd go to work with that anyday.

Bulls won't do that. They're going to ride it out this season with the team they have, MAYBE do some type of Gasol deal later in the season... but at the end of the day you're looking at another franchise that wants to throw their name in the ring for a potential LeBron, Melo, Wade, Bosh free agency. They want cap space. I think it's a foolish move. I don't think any of the Heatles are leaving. Why would they? They're front runners to win a 3rd straight title and they all look like they can compete for at least another 2-3 seasons if not more.

Post #139 » by **sully00** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:38 pm

There is no reason to make a trade that only gets you salary relief. FA is a brutal market for a bad team. You trade for talent and draft picks or you don't trade at all.

Instead of looking for deals that move Green and Bass for salary relief, I would look for deals that involve Boston moving out expiring contracts for salary that goes beyond this season. That is what Boston is rich in right now they have over 20 mil in expiring contracts not including Avery Bradley.

ddb · Post #140 » by **ddb** » Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:31 am

Random thought. I was trying to think of a player that is young, talented but hasnt yet had the opportunity to shine just yet...i wanted to think of a James Harden type situation. We all knew Harden was really good while in OKC. 6th man of the year. But it took guts by Morey in Houston to mortgage his future on a guy that was NOT a guarantee to become the player that we know today.... One guy that I know Ainge likes that is currently a talented, young bench player flying under the radar is Harrison Barnes. Barnes could be the Celtics Harden. Not right now. Bit maybe next offseason. Thats one guy to keep an eye on. I know Ainge likes him. Thinks he can be a star.

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