Rondo Trade Rumors & Ideas (update pg 8)

ryaningf · Post #121 » by **ryaningf** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:24 pm

Pierce said almost the same thing word for word the season before he signed his last extension in Boston. Getting shown the love in free agency is a nice hypothetical to entertain but when it comes down to it most of these guys would rather maintain the status quo than sniff around to see if the grass be greener.

Interestingly, Rondo has pretty much quoted KG and Paul the last two times he's been asked about free agency. The first time, his response was (and I'm paraphrasing)-- "I'm a creature of habit. I don't like change." (KG's go to answer anytime anyone tried to suggest any changes). Now he's quoting Paul Pierce. He has indeed been studying 2 of the all-time greats when it comes to answering stupid questions.

DK-All Day · Post #122 » by **DK-All Day** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:27 pm

Nothing wrong with this. He has a right to experience FA and this doesn't mean he's leaving.

KGboss · Post #123 » by **KGboss** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:36 pm

Rondos going to get PAID. Id be intrigued too. Id have the date circled on my calendar and name it MONEY DAY!

Red2 · Post #124 » by **Red2** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:42 pm

it always starts like this and player always say they're not leaving and then POOF they're gone. Danny tried to sign him and rondo didn't go for it. Rondo has seen every guy he ever played with on this team leave of their own accord or be traded. The handwriting is on the wall whether any of us want to believe it or not but IMO Rondo is gone- maybe not tomorrow but at the end of 2015. Listen, I was in favor of trading PP and KG but you can't ignore the fact that when a franchise trades the face of the franchise you run the risk of not keeping your own guys when they become free agents. Who wants to go to a team that won't treat its best player right ? ( or so the argument goes). I happen to think the pierce trade was good for pierce and good for the celtics but again it can be turned against the celtics easily. Would the spurs trade duncan? would the lakers trade kobe? etc. Rondo knows the landscape in boston is bleak and that it will be years before we're acontender. One thing's for sure though, if he intends to test free agency, danny will trade him either before then or in a sign and trade. there's no way danny lets rondo walk for nothing.

chum · Post #125 » by **chum** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:49 pm

If Rondo plans to test free agency, then it is pretty likely the Celtics will have to overpay to keep him, or he will walk and we get nothing in return. If there is any reasonable deal out there for Rondo I would trade him.

Bad-Thoma · Post #126 » by **Bad-Thoma** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:58 pm

I personally think Rondo will go to whatever he feels is the best situation for him, he's too smart not to. That doesn't mean it won't be Boston, but he'll explore his options before committing as would anyone (not named Kevin Garnett) in the modern NBA. It's not a lack of loyalty, it's a business where you can get traded, where you can get hurt and be done at any time, and where you are going to be changing careers before you are 40. He's smart enough to maximize his experience and profit.

zronv7 · Post #127 » by **zronv7** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:58 pm

Hope Ainge doesn't take the risk and has him test FA as a UFA. If he doesn't sign an extension just trade him.

Post #128 » by **sully00** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:08 pm

StojkoVrankovic wrote:
sully00 wrote:The facts are that the team wasn't slow and plodding and crappy at rebounding because of Doc that is who they were because of the players they had. The concern I would have at this point is the belief that Rondo was suited to an uptempo game is not coming to fruition in the short sample since he came back he has taken the pace out of the game that Crawford and Bradley were playing with for what it is worth.

Looking at my post it looks like I left that out, but that wasn't my intent.

I agree for the most part, but I don't see a reason why this team couldn't have played at a faster pace in the beginning of the Big 3 era. For as big and stiff as Perk was I always thought he had a nice motor to him up and down the court. Doc had his system based on the original Big 3 roster and didn't deviate during his tenure, we simply plugged in players every year. It worked.

Doc and Danny have both referenced that is was KG he went from a guy who could go full motor for 8 quarters if you needed him to into a guy who could give you maybe half a season and a playoff run if all went well after the knee injury.

ryaningf · Post #129 » by **ryaningf** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:23 pm

sully00 wrote:The facts are that the team wasn't slow and plodding and crappy at rebounding because of Doc that is who they were because of the players they had. The concern I would have at this point is the belief that Rondo was suited to an uptempo game is not coming to fruition in the short sample since he came back he has taken the pace out of the game that Crawford and Bradley were playing with for what it is worth.

Great post, Sully.

It seems both Brad and Ainge are committed to uptempo, based on Ainge's comments and Brad's stated willingness to fit system to his players. That said, it would seem pretty difficult for a guy like Rondo who's struggling with his wind and fitness level to be able to play at that pace initially and so I wonder how much of a push Brad's making right now to continue to push the pace. To me, his commitment to running has been on and off all year.

I'm of the opinion that you can play uptempo basketball provided you drill it into every guy and emphasize and reinforce the right habits throughout the season--and in that regard I'd give Brad a C-, he's done some things to emphasize it but not enough. Love to see more emphasis on taking the ball out of the basket faster (we've SLOWLY been getting faster at that throughout the year), more strategic pressing (not just when we're losing by 10 or more late in the 4th quarter) and a lot less indecisiveness from guys whether to pass or shoot it (if you have to think about, you probably should just pass it RIGHT NOW). I know we haven't had a PG most of the year, I know that Pressey is hit and miss and that Crawford was a pretty big ball bouncer and stopper when he was playing, but I just wonder if it hasn't been emphasized enough. I see a team like Philly and their cast of castoffs and if they can do it why can't we? I know they have the young PG with the legs to do it but it just seems like they've made it a habit and an identity and here we are over halfway thru the season and still searching for an identity and if I were to criticize Brad its that he hasn't created an identity for this team (even if it's an ultimately worthless identity it's the first step in developing a team).

If the 2nd half is about anything other than listless losing, it'll be about getting Rondo healthy and making uptempo a habit and not just something you do when the other team throws you the ball by accident.

Captain_Caveman · Post #130 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:36 pm

Doesn't mean he is leaving, just that he is gonna get paid big bucks for 4-5 seasons.

The question is always whether or not he is worth that. Unless he can help attract some star FAs to play with him here in 2015, I say no.

hiphop1 · Post #131 » by **hiphop1** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 3:49 am

If this was on the table right now is it fair value?

BOSTON INCOMING
John Henson
Brandon Knight
Caron Butler
2015 first rd pick

MILAWAUKE INCOMING
Rajon Rondo

Valid · Post #132 » by **Valid** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 3:54 am

hiphop1 wrote:If this was on the table right now is it fair value?

BOSTON INCOMING
John Henson
Brandon Knight
Caron Butler
2015 first rd pick

MILAWAUKE INCOMING
Rajon Rondo

Don't think Milwaukee does that. That 2015 first-rounder is probably going to be top five.

hiphop1 · Post #133 » by **hiphop1** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 4:00 am

I think they would bite

DijonRondo · Post #134 » by **DijonRondo** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 4:17 am

hiphop1 wrote:I think they would bite

No they wouldn't. Rondo is playing like ass right now.

Henson > Sanders

Andrew McCeltic · Post #135 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 6:00 am

hiphop1 wrote:If this was on the table right now is it fair value?

BOSTON INCOMING
John Henson
Brandon Knight
Caron Butler
2015 first rd pick

MILAWAUKE INCOMING
Rajon Rondo

Absolutely, IMO

EJay33 · Post #136 » by **EJay33** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 6:00 am

You know what is funny about this thread is that when Rondo was actually on the floor and playing every day I was hardly alone on this island of calling him a sub-star player. I mean the people here that typically make sense like Humblebum are with me and Sully who is usually on point when he isn't talking to jsimon or calling Larry Bird a diva is with me but most of the rest of you have lost it. I'm saying things like "Rajon Rondo isn't a scorer in the NBA" and SamIAm a veteran Celtics fan is stuck watching youtube of a first round series against against the Bulls and trying to convince me that Rondo is a great player because he led the 2-seed Celtics to a 7-game first round series win over the 7-seeded Bulls. BTW - the lasting memory of that series for me is Ray Allen's 50 pointer that was maybe the highest degree of difficulty 50+ we will ever see. Just an absurd performance by a guy with an absolutely elite skill.

But back to Rondo - get real fellas. Just wait until Rondo is back on the court and you see who he really is. Oh wait - my bad, he is back and I have actual data. The Celtics are 0-6 with Rondo in the lineup and he is shooting not sub-50% not sub-40%, but sub-30% from the field! No joke. Even a guy like Slar who never agrees with me but always brings a logical argument to the table was telling me that he thought the Celts would play .500 basketball with Rondo in the lineup. With 34 games left the Celtics would have to go 20-14 for the rest of the year to have that prediction be a reality. Not even arambone thinks this team is money enough to play play .588 ball.

Face it fellas he isn't who you think he is. He might one day have another 10 assist game that you can get excited about but he isn't a #1 on a good team.

One other just observation about the NBA tonight. Did you notice the Thunder were blowing the Nets out? Did you guys know that Durant had scored 30+ points in 12 straight games and that he was approaching records for such a streak? Guess what happened tonight? The Thunder didn't play him in the 4th because the team and the player are of the opinion that the win is all that matters.

Rondo on the other hand asked back into a blowout LOSS to continue his 10+ assist streak. That's the difference between a winner and a stat monger.

StojkoVrankovic · RIP texas celtic, 12/10/14 - 12/10/14

DijonRondo wrote:
hiphop1 wrote:I think they would bite

No they wouldn't. Rondo is playing like ass right now.

Henson > Sanders

That isn't even the issue. They wouldn't trade for Rondo because there is zero chance he stays.

What team is out there that actually has quality assets and is also a situation in which Rondo would sign a deal? I expect folks to say Detroit, but I don't see soft *** Monroe as a piece Danny would pay near max/max money for. Not a lot of options

basketface · Post #138 » by **basketface** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 6:54 am

Rondo for Irving ?

sam_I_am · Post #139 » by **sam_I_am** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 5:57 pm

BleedGreen1989 · Post #140 » by **BleedGreen1989** » Sat Feb 1, 2014 6:41 pm

Something that may have been brought up already (don't feel like sifting through 10 pages),

There are 2 teams who stand a very good chance of landing in the top-5 of the draft.

LAL and SAC. Both of these teams have been linked to Rondo and absolutely would consider moving their pick for him I believe. He would certainly need to shake off some more rust through the spring, but remember you heard it here first.