I feel this is the year to trade Rondo

[FreeDrop]

agree -- sign him. it is what it is. To paraphrase Pitini, Larry Bird is not walking through that door, Kevin McHale is not walking through that door -- but Rondo, a great PG and one of the most exciting must watch players in the game is already in the room. sign him, hope to get some complimentary pieces, hope someone like Olynyk or Smart or Sully develops into one of those Big 3 types and let it ride. You could do a lot worse than Rondo as your centerpiece, especially given that he really fits what Stevens is trying to do.

[Slartibartfast]

Rondo not getting max. You ca t give max to a secondary scoring threat. He will get paid, but max money to rondo is franchise suicide. We wouldn't be able to acquire the primary big time scorer under the cap.

Wrong. Letting him walk and using his "max" money on 3 more 8 million dollar a year ham and eggers(Jeff Green/Avery Bradley types) is what's not going to get us anywhere. You pay STUDS and you fill in the 8-12th guys on your roster with vet minimum deals. You don't pay glorified role players who shouldn't be starting on any legit contender(Green and Bradley) 8-9 million a year. That's what our problem is. Pay STUDS what they are worth and stop paying ham and eggers 8-9 million a year.

No your wrong on this. If you traded Rondo for Chris Paul tomorrow the Chris Paul would win half the games this team plays with this roster he just would. I am not saying Rondo can't but if Rondo is that caliber of player then he is going to win 40 some odd games this year or he isn't worth the money.

We watched Paul Pierce win half his games with worse talent than Rondo has around him right now. You can fix 8-9 mil dollar mistakes. If you give Rondo a 100 mil bucks and can't get the guys around him then your screwed for a decade.

You have to understand if the argument is that Rondo needs studs around him to win, which is fair, then Boston isn't the place for him right now and that is too bad. They can't put studs around him while he is making 12 mil how does that get better when he is making 24-25 mil?

Now if Rondo can take this crew of "ham and eggers" as you call them and win and make the playoffs then you have a reason to invest. For Rondo to be a max guy he has to elevate the play of his teammates that is what max players do that is what makes them worth 25-30% for your salary cap especially if they are going to score 10 ppg. Nobody is expecting the Conference Finals but you have to close games at home with the lead.

I love the idea that Rondo wants stay, now I am not as excited about the pay check he seems to be asking for but if he can make the playoffs with this crew then sure go for it. But if this team continues to suck (less than 30 wins sucks and today we are on pace for 27) then what is the point? This team can suck without him just as much as it does with him that is the challenge he has to change that to be worth the cash and commitment.

I think Ainge believes in him at least he does right now.

How many games did Pierce win us the year before we maxed him? 33 (ironically, the number we're on pace for after the Philly win). And did his max prevent us from adding studs around him?

Rondo's got issues that Pierce didn't, but the idea that he's got to get this team to .500 and make the playoffs this year to earn a max is directly contradicted by Pierce's example.

[celticsfan34]

Rondos not going anywhere.

I'm getting the same feeling here, just read that executives told Bleacher Report Ainge isn't looking to trade him. If I was going to give Rondo the max, I'd put a little incentive in there regarding his free throw percentage and field goal percentage.

Maybe if the guy had some talent to work with he wouldn't need to fire up 3's or 20 foot jumpers with the shot clock/game clock running out at the end of games. It's not his fault we don't have a Paul Pierce or legit all star wing guy we can iso at the end of games like most contenders have. I love all the Rondo hate..........this guy is far and away our best player and a legit talent but let's blame him instead of the ham and eggers Danny has surrounded him with. Only in Boston. Just like all the know-it-alls blaming Brady earlier this year and the Red Sox problems on Papi. What a joke.

I don't get where you think I was blaming Rondo. I will blame him when he shoots 30 percent from the free throw line on the season and goes 2-10 in a four-point loss to Phoenix. You make it sound like he's playing with the Sixers roster right now, if the defense was better we'd have a winning record right now. Obviously the talent that is surrounded Rondo isn't championships-caliber talent, but the rest of the team is formidable to beat some teams this year and contend for a playoff spot.

[sam_I_am]

I guess the debate is over. Danny has let the rest of league know that Rondo will not be traded.

http://www.si.com/nba/2014/11/19/boston ... ajon-rondo


To quote one of my favorite posters...... WTF lock this.

[bucknersrevenge]

I guess the debate is over. Danny has let the rest of league know that Rondo will not be traded.

http://www.si.com/nba/2014/11/19/boston ... ajon-rondo


To quote one of my favorite posters...... WTF lock this.

Or that could mean he hasn't received any offers that he likes yet so he's not going to show his hand. Just because he says that doesn't mean that it won't still happen.

[GuyClinch]

Danny has put himself into the 'only good player' situation again. So its going to be hard for him to actively move his only good player. If Smart was out there looking like a star instead of 9.4 PER guy..this wouldn't be a problem. GMs just have a hard time moving their only good player. They can 'lose' them in free agency and save some face but they won't trade em away..

The problem for Celtic fans is that compared to other max guys - we aren't going to get a good one. Danny likely knows this deep down but not sure what he can do about it.. You don't want the Joe Johnsons of the world at max you want the Durant, Duncans, Dirks etc etc.

[sully00]

How many games did Pierce win us the year before we maxed him? 33 (ironically, the number we're on pace for after the Philly win). And did his max prevent us from adding studs around him?

Rondo's got issues that Pierce didn't, but the idea that he's got to get this team to .500 and make the playoffs this year to earn a max is directly contradicted by Pierce's example.

But Pierce and the C's had made the playoffs the previous 5 seasons. Beyond that the rules were not the same. You can't really do what Boston did anymore where you just collect bad salary and send it out once it is expiring and blow through the lux tax. Now it is about attracting FA's when everyone is offering the same money. I think playing with Rondo could be attractive to a lot of guys but not if this team can't win 30 games.

I am telling you I think Rondo and this team can do this. I think this team is going to win 40 something games and while I hope they don't have to pay the guy over 20 mil a season I don't begrudge the man his money. Now if this team with a healthy Rondo can't win 30 games no I am sorry I don't see any reason for bringing Rondo back or for him wanting to come back.

[sully00]

I guess the debate is over. Danny has let the rest of league know that Rondo will not be traded.

http://www.si.com/nba/2014/11/19/boston ... ajon-rondo


To quote one of my favorite posters...... WTF lock this.

He wasn't going to trade Antoine, Al Jefferson, Pierce, or KG until he did. Doc Rivers was under contract and was going to coach this team until he was traded to the Clippers. I think it is nice that he isn't trying to get teams to start putting together their packages and even better that Rondo doesn't seem to be trying to shoot his way out of town, but I don't know how much this matters either way.

[Slartibartfast]

How many games did Pierce win us the year before we maxed him? 33 (ironically, the number we're on pace for after the Philly win). And did his max prevent us from adding studs around him?

Rondo's got issues that Pierce didn't, but the idea that he's got to get this team to .500 and make the playoffs this year to earn a max is directly contradicted by Pierce's example.

But Pierce and the C's had made the playoffs the previous 5 seasons. Beyond that the rules were not the same. You can't really do what Boston did anymore where you just collect bad salary and send it out once it is expiring and blow through the lux tax. Now it is about attracting FA's when everyone is offering the same money. I think playing with Rondo could be attractive to a lot of guys but not if this team can't win 30 games.

I am telling you I think Rondo and this team can do this. I think this team is going to win 40 something games and while I hope they don't have to pay the guy over 20 mil a season I don't begrudge the man his money. Now if this team with a healthy Rondo can't win 30 games no I am sorry I don't see any reason for bringing Rondo back or for him wanting to come back.

Pierce made the playoffs in 03/04 with a 36-46 record. He made them again in 04/05 thanks to the win now trades for Gary Payton and Antoine Walker (to go with a healthy LaFrentz, a resigned Blount and Ricky Davis as a 6th man). When he was in situations like Rondo's now, he won mid-30s.

It's that mid-30s win space that you don't seem to be accounting for when you talk about winning under 30 or going .500. That's the space it seems like we're going to be in.

[sam_I_am]

I guess the debate is over. Danny has let the rest of league know that Rondo will not be traded.

http://www.si.com/nba/2014/11/19/boston ... ajon-rondo


To quote one of my favorite posters...... WTF lock this.

He wasn't going to trade Antoine, Al Jefferson, Pierce, or KG until he did. Doc Rivers was under contract and was going to coach this team until he was traded to the Clippers. I think it is nice that he isn't trying to get teams to start putting together their packages and even better that Rondo doesn't seem to be trying to shoot his way out of town, but I don't know how much this matters either way.

I think it is different when other teams GMs are telling reporters that Ainge has let everybody know the Celtics are not trading Rondo. I mean, Danny isn't the two faced GM people try to make him out to be. Doc, Paul and KG was pretty straight forward and above board. Al Jefferson for KG was a no brainer. Danny will still make a trade if it improves the team - I am sure if OKC offered a healthy Durant he would do it.

[RobPow28]

It all comes down to one thing:

Does Danny believe Rondo is worth a max contract?

If not you trade him because if you are not going to give him a max contract, he is walking

If Danny does then don't trade him and as soon as possible offer the deal to him to get it done and move on.

I personally don't believe he is worth Max Contract money, the guy just isn't a consistent enough shooter. He can't even hit a free throw, he is wide open, most Centers in the league shoot FT's better.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

I guess the debate is over. Danny has let the rest of league know that Rondo will not be traded.

http://www.si.com/nba/2014/11/19/boston ... ajon-rondo


To quote one of my favorite posters...... WTF lock this.

He wasn't going to trade Antoine, Al Jefferson, Pierce, or KG until he did. Doc Rivers was under contract and was going to coach this team until he was traded to the Clippers. I think it is nice that he isn't trying to get teams to start putting together their packages and even better that Rondo doesn't seem to be trying to shoot his way out of town, but I don't know how much this matters either way.

Please keep in mind the pride factor. Rondo is the one sure-fire superstar that Ainge has actually had his hands on since day one. Rondo is "Ainge's guy". I Don't want people waving Big Al in front of me like a fish to a bear either, because he is not a surefire superstar. Rondo makes things happen on the court, off the court, and more importantly in the BBP's wallet.

[sully00]

I guess the debate is over. Danny has let the rest of league know that Rondo will not be traded.

http://www.si.com/nba/2014/11/19/boston ... ajon-rondo


To quote one of my favorite posters...... WTF lock this.

He wasn't going to trade Antoine, Al Jefferson, Pierce, or KG until he did. Doc Rivers was under contract and was going to coach this team until he was traded to the Clippers. I think it is nice that he isn't trying to get teams to start putting together their packages and even better that Rondo doesn't seem to be trying to shoot his way out of town, but I don't know how much this matters either way.

I think it is different when other teams GMs are telling reporters that Ainge has let everybody know the Celtics are not trading Rondo. I mean, Danny isn't the two faced GM people try to make him out to be. Doc, Paul and KG was pretty straight forward and above board. Al Jefferson for KG was a no brainer. Danny will still make a trade if it improves the team - I am sure if OKC offered a healthy Durant he would do it.

Like I said it is certainly a good sign that Danny is telling other GMs he doesn't plan on dealing him especially with what has been said recently from Wojo and Perk. Doesn't hurt that the Knicks suck. Bottom line is Danny and Rondo may need each other.

[sully00]

I guess the debate is over. Danny has let the rest of league know that Rondo will not be traded.

http://www.si.com/nba/2014/11/19/boston ... ajon-rondo


To quote one of my favorite posters...... WTF lock this.

He wasn't going to trade Antoine, Al Jefferson, Pierce, or KG until he did. Doc Rivers was under contract and was going to coach this team until he was traded to the Clippers. I think it is nice that he isn't trying to get teams to start putting together their packages and even better that Rondo doesn't seem to be trying to shoot his way out of town, but I don't know how much this matters either way.

Please keep in mind the pride factor. Rondo is the one sure-fire superstar that Ainge has actually had his hands on since day one. Rondo is "Ainge's guy". I Don't want people waving Big Al in front of me like a fish to a bear either, because he is not a surefire superstar. Rondo makes things happen on the court, off the court, and more importantly in the BBP's wallet.

Nobody is Ainge's guy he has shopped Rondo hard, he is as cutthroat as Belichick if not more.

[return2glory]

Did someone just call Little Shaq a superstar? There are only 2 superstars in the league right now and we now who they are. Anthony Davis is slowly joining that list.

[sam_I_am]

I think Danny has given the clear impression that:

1. He wants to keep Rondo. Unlike his detractors Ainge values Rondo. He knows he can play team ball and share the rock and make life infinitely easier for any other star who comes (including guys that hate him like Ray)
2. He is not fearful of Rondo leaving him empty handed:
A. Because he is willing to go to max to keep him and values him that highly
B. Because maybe he believes he won't have to pay max to keep him
C. Because he believes Rondo wants to stay

Every team can have 2 max players - even a team like OKC in a small market can have 2 maxes plus a highly paid big man.

Is Rondo a top 30 player in the league? If so, he gets a max. Is he rated 31-60? If so, it is still reasonable to give him max deal. Is he rated 61-90? If so then you can still pay him 10-12 million like an Ibaka. I think we have a clear idea of where Danny rates him. Age and injury and rest of roster obviously factors. Rest of roster is absolutely no concern right now - there is nobody else we have to worry about losing. It's not like there is a James Harden on the roster we will have to trade if we give Rondo a max deal.

[bucknersrevenge]

He wasn't going to trade Antoine, Al Jefferson, Pierce, or KG until he did. Doc Rivers was under contract and was going to coach this team until he was traded to the Clippers. I think it is nice that he isn't trying to get teams to start putting together their packages and even better that Rondo doesn't seem to be trying to shoot his way out of town, but I don't know how much this matters either way.

Please keep in mind the pride factor. Rondo is the one sure-fire superstar that Ainge has actually had his hands on since day one. Rondo is "Ainge's guy". I Don't want people waving Big Al in front of me like a fish to a bear either, because he is not a surefire superstar. Rondo makes things happen on the court, off the court, and more importantly in the BBP's wallet.

Nobody is Ainge's guy he has shopped Rondo hard, he is as cutthroat as Belichick if not more.

Exactly. As GM-speak goes "I'm gonna do what's best for the ballclub" is Danny's mantra. And maybe that means resigning Rondo, maybe it doesn't. But just like he reserves the right to change his mind, so too does Rondo. Yeah Rondo's a good soldier and not making waves now but he's not dumb. He wants to win. And if it looks like it's gonna be a while before this team wins(and right now it does) he's not gonna resign here no matter how much money we offer him. There are reasons he wants to go through the recruiting process. He may not want to come back.

[GuyClinch]

With a few more games like tonight maybe they can agree on a mutual separation...I wouldn't count on it though. Honestly if he resigns for the max I think I am going to start to go sour on Ainge as a GM. I didn't like the Bradley signing a ton. I wasn't crazy about the Green signing. The one guy I really wanted him to resign was Tony Allen - as I think he could have been instrumental in helping Pierce and Ray extend their career in Boston.

Sure Rondo will get the Max - but that doesn't mean the Celtics have to pay it.. We need to get guys who bust each and every night. That used to be the Celtic thing - competitive guys who give it their all each and every night. Maybe its nostalgia but I just don't remember many mail it in performances out of Bird or Pierce.

[exculpatory]

1. With a few more games like tonight maybe they can agree on a mutual separation...I wouldn't count on it though. Honestly if he resigns for the max, I think I am going to start to go sour on Ainge as a GM.

2. We need to get guys who bust each and every night. That used to be the Celtic thing - competitive guys who give it their all each and every night.

3. Maybe it's nostalgia, but I just don't remember many mail it in performances out of Bird or Pierce.

1. Ainge would be a **** idiot to give Rondo big money. Add 2-3 true Super Stars like prime KG & Truth for Rondo to support, & then give him 12-14 mill per year. Otherwise, move him RIGHT **** NOW!

2. Rondo never has & never will be a consistent RS player. He will put up occasional truly magical trip dubs (some of which will be meaningless on this piss poor team). He will occasionally shoot well from the angle when he is ignored by his defender as usual. He will continue to embarrass himself from the FT line & 3 point line.

3. Truth mailed it in occasionally during the RS, but not very often. Bird was a maniacal competitor 24/7/365/decade.

PS

Last night:

Rondo:

4 points on 2-6 & 4As/2 TOs & inconsistent D.

Conley (who I would LOVE to see in Green one day):

15 points on 6-9 & 8As/1 TO

[StojkoVrankovic]

Now we have former Celtic, Nets, and now Wizard fans throwing around their agenda driven drivel?