#3 pick

[Grahf]

Assuming we keep the pick: If we draft a guard, one of the Thomas/Bradley/Smart group has to get traded. If we don't want a guard, it is pretty much Bender by default. I was high on Brown for a while, but I'm starting to worry he has too much Jeff Green in him.

If Danny does in fact choose Bender, that alone would make me really excited about the kid, given Danny's drafting skills.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Ainge overall does a good job drafting but he tends to get a little obsessed with guys. For example last year he was obsessed Winslow. He was also in love with Robert Swift until thankfully the sonics drafted him. I don't know much about Bender but from almost every mock draft I have seen the celtics are grabbing him. Honestly I think I am fine with that. Not sure I can stomach another guard being drafted.

[klemen4]

I think we'd have a good shot at swapping #3 with Phoenix for #4 and #13 if they really want Bender (and we don't).
Ending up with something like Hield and Skal Labissiere would be a good result.
When Bender comes over to work out it will be great to see him go to work.

This is a great idea...moving from 16th to 13th could be big.

I still think the best option is trading 3 (or 4 if we can do something with PHO) for Okafor. We have to go for a big and that kind of trade works very good for PHI and BOS...regardless if Philly picks Simmons or Ingram.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

I think we'd have a good shot at swapping #3 with Phoenix for #4 and #13 if they really want Bender (and we don't).
Ending up with something like Hield and Skal Labissiere would be a good result.
When Bender comes over to work out it will be great to see him go to work.

This is a great idea...moving from 16th to 13th could be big.

I still think the best option is trading 3 (or 4 if we can do something with PHO) for Okafor. We have to go for a big and that kind of trade works very good for PHI and BOS...regardless if Philly picks Simmons or Ingram.

I agree. Trade Okafor for the 3rd pick, and throw Colangelo a few 2nd rounders for his troubles.

[theman]

Colangelo likes Euros, he could pull a Bennett from 3 years ago, or anorher Bargnani (Bender).

He could either mess up badly by picking Bender at 1 and have Ingram fall to us.

Or trade down to 3rd, get Dunn at PG (their need) and whatever players and picks we can give the Sixers for #1 pick.

Sixers need a small forward they are using their pick.

Colangelo has a GREAT history in the draft:
...Wesley Person (1st round, 23rd pick)
...Michael Finley (1st round, 21st pick)
...Steve Nash (1st round, 15th pick)
...Stephen Jackson (2nd round, 42nd pick)
... Shawn Marion (1st round, 9th pick)
...Jake Tsakalidis (1st round, 25th pick) - okay that was a miss Michael Redd would have been better.
...Amar'e Stoudemire (1st round, 9th pick)
...Zarko Cabarkapa (1st round, 17th pick) - okay another miss David West, Kendrick Perkins or Kyle Korver were on the board
...Luol Deng (1st round, 7th pick)
...Nate Robinson (1st round, 21st pick) and Marcin Gortat (2nd round, 57th pick)
...Andrea Bargnani (1st round, 1st pick) - miss LaMarcus Aldridge obviously better but this was Toronto.
...Roy Hibbert (1st round, 17th pick)
...DeMar DeRozan (1st round, 9th pick)
...Ed Davis (1st round, 13th pick) - miss Eric Bledsoe, Avery Bradley
...Jonas Valanciunas (1st round, 5th pick)
...Terrence Ross (1st round, 8th pick) - Should have picked Andre Drummond

That is a lot more hits than misses. There are all stars and hall of famers on that list. I bet Colangelo gets the best player in the draft. I would say his draft history is better than Danny's.

[VeryMuchWoke]

Why does nobody talk about Jaylen Brown? I haven't done much research on the draft yet, but he looks like a high upside guy, and he fits the Ainge profile (highly touted HS prospect who slipped a bit in college due to poor fit).

Not advocating for him, but I think he should be in the mix.

[rzzzzz]

Why does nobody talk about Jaylen Brown? I haven't done much research on the draft yet, but he looks like a high upside guy, and he fits the Ainge profile (highly touted HS prospect who slipped a bit in college due to poor fit).

Not advocating for him, but I think he should be in the mix.

lot of athleticism, but questions about his game. a gamble at #3.

[robbie84]

Colangelo likes Euros, he could pull a Bennett from 3 years ago, or anorher Bargnani (Bender).

He could either mess up badly by picking Bender at 1 and have Ingram fall to us.

Or trade down to 3rd, get Dunn at PG (their need) and whatever players and picks we can give the Sixers for #1 pick.

Sixers need a small forward they are using their pick.

Colangelo has a GREAT history in the draft:
...Wesley Person (1st round, 23rd pick)
...Michael Finley (1st round, 21st pick)
...Steve Nash (1st round, 15th pick)
...Stephen Jackson (2nd round, 42nd pick)
... Shawn Marion (1st round, 9th pick)
...Jake Tsakalidis (1st round, 25th pick) - okay that was a miss Michael Redd would have been better.
...Amar'e Stoudemire (1st round, 9th pick)
...Zarko Cabarkapa (1st round, 17th pick) - okay another miss David West, Kendrick Perkins or Kyle Korver were on the board
...Luol Deng (1st round, 7th pick)
...Nate Robinson (1st round, 21st pick) and Marcin Gortat (2nd round, 57th pick)
...Andrea Bargnani (1st round, 1st pick) - miss LaMarcus Aldridge obviously better but this was Toronto.
...Roy Hibbert (1st round, 17th pick)
...DeMar DeRozan (1st round, 9th pick)
...Ed Davis (1st round, 13th pick) - miss Eric Bledsoe, Avery Bradley
...Jonas Valanciunas (1st round, 5th pick)
...Terrence Ross (1st round, 8th pick) - Should have picked Andre Drummond

That is a lot more hits than misses. There are all stars and hall of famers on that list. I bet Colangelo gets the best player in the draft. I would say his draft history is better than Danny's.

wow I had no idea he was so good at drafting. This is actually good for us because it means he may try and think a little too outside the box and go after Bender (He loved Bargani to death).

[Murta]

A trade I see out there is #3 for #5 and MIN 1st '17. Since Wolves are pretty much set with Rubio, LaVine, Wiggins and Towns, their only future need is a PF. Minnesota could stimply stay with starting Dieng at PF for two years, then trade him in in 2018 after Wiggins and LaVine get next contracts. IDK, that's what I'd plan if I ran their franchise. I like Dieng, but Wolves won't be able to pay them all. He's the odd man out, IMO.

When it comes to Butler, we have a lot of things to find the right value for both franchises. He won't come cheap, but if Danny wants to win now, Butler is the best target available. My thing with the possible trade is that the next move is going to be vital. Even if Ainge overpays, it does not matter that much.
But after we get Butler, what more can Danny do? Rockets had Harden and Howards next to a bunch of assets and young players, yet still they haven't been able to get the 3rd piece. What happens if we miss on the next player? Does Danny pull Riles and trades the 2017 pick for semi-star (like 2 1sts for Dragić) or Morey by letting his team die slowly and builds with whomever he picks in 2017 (like sticking with Harden and clearing his team).
Ultimately, I have to go with "see what happens" mentality because there's an insane number of scenarios, but generally there are two: 1) trading for Butler and getting the next guy or 2) trading for Butler and realizing the team is going nowhere after two years.

[Fidel Sarcasmo]

Colangelo likes Euros, he could pull a Bennett from 3 years ago, or anorher Bargnani (Bender).

He could either mess up badly by picking Bender at 1 and have Ingram fall to us.

Or trade down to 3rd, get Dunn at PG (their need) and whatever players and picks we can give the Sixers for #1 pick.

Sixers need a small forward they are using their pick.

Colangelo has a GREAT history in the draft:
...Wesley Person (1st round, 23rd pick)
...Michael Finley (1st round, 21st pick)
...Steve Nash (1st round, 15th pick)
...Stephen Jackson (2nd round, 42nd pick)
... Shawn Marion (1st round, 9th pick)
...Jake Tsakalidis (1st round, 25th pick) - okay that was a miss Michael Redd would have been better.
...Amar'e Stoudemire (1st round, 9th pick)
...Zarko Cabarkapa (1st round, 17th pick) - okay another miss David West, Kendrick Perkins or Kyle Korver were on the board
...Luol Deng (1st round, 7th pick)
...Nate Robinson (1st round, 21st pick) and Marcin Gortat (2nd round, 57th pick)
...Andrea Bargnani (1st round, 1st pick) - miss LaMarcus Aldridge obviously better but this was Toronto.
...Roy Hibbert (1st round, 17th pick)
...DeMar DeRozan (1st round, 9th pick)
...Ed Davis (1st round, 13th pick) - miss Eric Bledsoe, Avery Bradley
...Jonas Valanciunas (1st round, 5th pick)
...Terrence Ross (1st round, 8th pick) - Should have picked Andre Drummond

That is a lot more hits than misses. There are all stars and hall of famers on that list. I bet Colangelo gets the best player in the draft. I would say his draft history is better than Danny's.

wow I had no idea he was so good at drafting. This is actually good for us because it means he may try and think a little too outside the box and go after Bender (He loved Bargani to death).

If memory serves me correctly. Danny Ainge was the catalyst behind the Steve Nash and Shawn Marion pick when he was coaching the Suns. Ainge was working for Colangelo at the time. Colangelo always valued Danny's opionion on the Draft. When Danny left the Suns, Colangelo still used him as a draft Advisor. Danny told Colangelo that he thought Amare was the person to pick. Danny was working for TNT at the time I believe and he stated on national TV that he thougt Amare Stoudemire was going to be the steal of the draft when it's all said and done. And low and behold, Colangelo drafted Amare Stoudemire. DA knows how to draft. After DA sent to the Celtics, I remember the Celtics already making their pick and DA said that Colangelo called him up afterword and asked his opinion on who to draft while they were still in the war room and DA told the media about the exchange and said he didn't think that was fair to tell him now that they were competitors. As much as they are friends, DA knows who his allegiance is with.

[GreenBloodedC]

I'm trying not to be inlove with the pick, because in all likelihood it might get traded.

But doing my research and I'm liking hield, and if we're feeling risky, gamble on Bender and see if it will shake things up.

[Slartibartfast]

I am so bored by the options at #3. For a guy with such an awesome name, Bender is snoozeville as a prospect. Dunn is the kind of guy you are happy to take in the late lotto but a big meh at #3. Jaylen Brown is latest iteration of Maggette/DeRozan.

If we keep it I have a feeling Danny will go with Jamal Murray. He's got the highest ceiling in terms of pure scoring ability, even if he's the least athletic guy in the top 10.

And we all know we need another combo guard.

[Banks2Pierce]

If we keep it I have a feeling Danny will go with Jamal Murray. He's got the highest ceiling in terms of pure scoring ability, even if he's the least athletic guy in the top 10.

And we all know we need another combo guard.

I'm pretty much at the same place. It's going to have to be a guard. In the Smart year, if you shy away from the guards, there's not a good non-guard taken until 16 and Nurkic. Have to pick based on what the draft gives you and not your roster. Think the timing could be perfect on moving AB as well.

[jbs]

Our pick nearly was lower according to Zach Lowe (see here http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15583495/the-gravity-absurdity-nba-draft-lottery)

After the lottery gods awarded the Lakers the No. 2 pick, league officials began drawing the four-number combo that would determine which team would pick third. The first three numbers: 9, 4, 7. If the final number were eight or higher, Minnesota, in the No. 5 slot, would leapfrog both Phoenix and Boston. If it came up as a 5 or 6, Phoenix and Boston would flip places. A 1 or 2 would mean a re-draw, because the Sixers and Lakers owned those combinations.

Wyc Grousbeck, the Celtics owner and drawing room rep, was reduced to this: hoping for "3," the only ball that would hold Boston in the No. 3 slot, a one-in-eleven shot at that exact moment.

[Celtic Esquire]

Our pick nearly was lower according to Zach Lowe (see here http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/15583495/the-gravity-absurdity-nba-draft-lottery)

After the lottery gods awarded the Lakers the No. 2 pick, league officials began drawing the four-number combo that would determine which team would pick third. The first three numbers: 9, 4, 7. If the final number were eight or higher, Minnesota, in the No. 5 slot, would leapfrog both Phoenix and Boston. If it came up as a 5 or 6, Phoenix and Boston would flip places. A 1 or 2 would mean a re-draw, because the Sixers and Lakers owned those combinations.

Wyc Grousbeck, the Celtics owner and drawing room rep, was reduced to this: hoping for "3," the only ball that would hold Boston in the No. 3 slot, a one-in-eleven shot at that exact moment.

This story can't be repeated enough, especially for those who claim that the odds screwed us from jumping to a 1 or 2 pick.

I said this last night, but the Celtics actually beat the odds when we stayed at #3. The way the lottery is set up, the Celtics had a greater chance of falling to a 4-6 pick than landing a 1-3 pick. I had resigned myself to falling to 4-5, but was ecstatic when I knew we were at least in the top 3. Sure it hurts that we didn't get 1 or 2, but the lotto Gods were actually on our side last night and prevented us from falling below our allotted spot.

[b3n]

I am so bored by the options at #3. For a guy with such an awesome name, Bender is snoozeville as a prospect. Dunn is the kind of guy you are happy to take in the late lotto but a big meh at #3. Jaylen Brown is latest iteration of Maggette/DeRozan.

If we keep it I have a feeling Danny will go with Jamal Murray. He's got the highest ceiling in terms of pure scoring ability, even if he's the least athletic guy in the top 10.

And we all know we need another combo guard.

I'm in the Jamal Murray camp. I don't see us taking him straight up at #3, but trading down for him (I read someone mentioning #3 for #5 & Minny's 2017 1st - I'd like something like that). I found this interesting:

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/stephen-curry
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/jamal-murray

Anyone else see some similarities?

[165bows]

I am so bored by the options at #3. For a guy with such an awesome name, Bender is snoozeville as a prospect. Dunn is the kind of guy you are happy to take in the late lotto but a big meh at #3. Jaylen Brown is latest iteration of Maggette/DeRozan.

If we keep it I have a feeling Danny will go with Jamal Murray. He's got the highest ceiling in terms of pure scoring ability, even if he's the least athletic guy in the top 10.

And we all know we need another combo guard.

Yeah this pick is traded.

The thing with all of these guys is some of them might be good but you just have to hope for their absolute ceiling with all of them to really care much about them.

That's the thing about Murray to me, his floor is way too low to pick at that slot.

[CavemanDoctor]

Maybe this is the desperation and denial talking but I'm really starting to come around on this Bender idea. For all his flaws, I keep going back to two of his strengths: great feel for the game + motor/work ethic. <--- that combination is not terribly common, even less common in a 7'1" body. That combination is what leads to encouraging trajectories.

[celticfan42487]

Assuming trading the #3 pick, means we also have to trade another Brooklyn pick and about 2-3 other firsts for a star.... I'm out on that.

How long till the signature wars start?

I'd like one that is pro Dragon, and says if anyone thinks we should take Hield they should stop posting and start exclusively watching cheerleading as a sport because this one isn't working out for them.

[165bows]

The thing is outside of four teams there isn't a single non-rookie contract 'star' that has a prayer of getting to the finals.

Chicago, Indiana, Houston, Sacramento, Memphis etc etc are all at best hitting the treadmill hard. Even the long term tankers in LA and Philly have terribly fitting young players.

There will be a healthy trade market.

As Grande said on the radio today, some teams are going to talk themselves into Dunn or another guy as someone they need to have over this next six weeks and decide that is the way to go.