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Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader

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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader 

Post#121 » by SMTBSI » Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:37 pm

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Homerclease wrote:Ainge must owe Greens agent a solid otherwise just axe Green for Nader now

One factor is that it might actually be better for his trade value to spend the season down there. Not that the D-League means all that much, but, he wouldn't get many (any?) minutes up here, and since we have his rights, any team we trade him to can go ahead and sign him for four years if they like this season or offseason.

Let him stomp down there all year long until teams actually start to call about him.



The team is dying for a reliable back up three option. Young and Green apparently cant be trusted, Smart is too small and Jerebko is too slow.

One could argue that if he can be trusted defensively the way Smart was in his rookie year he might actually get some minutes.

I would love you to be right. Heck, we just turned a 60th pick into an all-star, why not do it again with a 58th? I'm just tempering my expectations so I don't get hurt. :sigh:
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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader 

Post#122 » by Parliament10 » Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:40 pm

Murta wrote:Ante had less than impressive 3/11 FG, 7 PTS, 13 REB, 4 AS, 4 TO game today, generally looking tired. Team's plan to play him insane minutes with less defensive intensity is complete and utter bs.

How many minutes are they playing him?
Yeah. I'm surprised at the 7pts. Haven't seen that low from him, before. Good amount of Rebounds, though.
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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader 

Post#123 » by Parliament10 » Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:50 pm

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SMTBSI wrote:One factor is that it might actually be better for his trade value to spend the season down there. Not that the D-League means all that much, but, he wouldn't get many (any?) minutes up here, and since we have his rights, any team we trade him to can go ahead and sign him for four years if they like this season or offseason.

Let him stomp down there all year long until teams actually start to call about him.



The team is dying for a reliable back up three option. Young and Green apparently cant be trusted, Smart is too small and Jerebko is too slow.

One could argue that if he can be trusted defensively the way Smart was in his rookie year he might actually get some minutes.

I would love you to be right. Heck, we just turned a 60th pick into an all-star, why not do it again with a 58th? I'm just tempering my expectations so I don't get hurt. :sigh:

This Nader Kid is not a fluke. -- He's been saying that himself, all this time.
Danny's been holding onto him, for a reason. -- We all can see now, that the Kid is good.

I mean he's the 8th of our Initial Draft Picks. And we let Bentil go, with $250K.
Not to mention, that we also let Hunter go.

Nader is obviously better than all of that.
He'll be on the Celtics, later this year, or from Jump next year.
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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader 

Post#124 » by 24istheLAW » Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:52 pm

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24istheLAW wrote:For the record. it's pronounced Ab-del. There isn't an English 'u' sound there.


In an article on Nader, it was reported that his first name is pronounced like "Abdul" despite the spelling.


That is how it is pronounced in classical Arabic. But Egyptians speak a different dialect from most of the Arabic-speaking world. They flatten out that sound.

Regarding Gerald Green... if Nader wouldn't play in Boston anyway, why not keep Green?
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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader 

Post#125 » by Parliament10 » Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:56 pm

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24istheLAW wrote:For the record. it's pronounced Ab-del. There isn't an English 'u' sound there.


In an article on Nader, it was reported that his first name is pronounced like "Abdul" despite the spelling.


That is how it is pronounced in classical Arabic. But Egyptians speak a different dialect from most of the Arabic-speaking world. They flatten out that sound.

Regarding Gerald Green... if Nader wouldn't play in Boston anyway, why not keep Green?

I think what they're saying is, that we should have added Nader to the Roster, instead of Green.
And Nader was really resisting going down to the D-League. He really wanted onto the Celtics.
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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader 

Post#126 » by Murta » Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:13 pm

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Murta wrote:Ante had less than impressive 3/11 FG, 7 PTS, 13 REB, 4 AS, 4 TO game today, generally looking tired. Team's plan to play him insane minutes with less defensive intensity is complete and utter bs.

How many minutes are they playing him?
Yeah. I'm surprised at the 7pts. Haven't seen that low from him, before. Good amount of Rebounds, though.

30 this game despite being an obvious blowout since the 2nd Q started.
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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader 

Post#127 » by Parliament10 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:01 am

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44sturn wrote:Today he had 29 points and 9 rebounds in loss.

Which league? Nothing scheduled for BCL and ABA, per their sites.

National league.

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Post#128 » by Homerclease » Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:10 am

Good keep playing him. 82 game season in the NBA is a long time, might as well toughen him up a year early
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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader 

Post#129 » by Parliament10 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:13 am

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Elrod is Back wrote:Slow down. The guy has terrific tools. He looked good in summer league. Let's see how he does when he makes it to the NBA next year. Patience is the order of the day.

What exactly were the alleged superior options at 16? Henry Ellenson?


Wouldn't be surprised if he was a 2nd stash year as well. A deep web of game theory/cap and roster management questions to reasonably analyze that one would be needed. "A wasted pick" is kind of a blunt way of looking at a really nuanced thing.

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He might end up being a 2nd year Stash.
Though, I'm not sure what are the upcoming Rules for Two-Way Contracts.
Smitty mentioned that it may not extend to 1st Round Draft picks. But if it does, then Yabusele might be utilized with that next year.
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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader 

Post#130 » by Parliament10 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:18 am

Homerclease wrote:Good keep playing him. 82 game season in the NBA is a long time, might as well toughen him up a year early

IDK. How many games is he going to play this year?
Might have to add in Playoffs too.

Murta was saying that he's playing too many garbage-type minutes.
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Post#131 » by Homerclease » Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:20 am

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Homerclease wrote:Good keep playing him. 82 game season in the NBA is a long time, might as well toughen him up a year early

IDK. How many games is he going to play this year?
Might have to add in Playoffs too.

Murta was saying that he's playing too many garbage-type minutes.

The more he plays the better off. It will lessen the rookie wall when he comes to the US
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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader 

Post#132 » by SMTBSI » Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:30 am

Parliament10 wrote:
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Ed Pinkney wrote:The team is dying for a reliable back up three option. Young and Green apparently cant be trusted, Smart is too small and Jerebko is too slow.

One could argue that if he can be trusted defensively the way Smart was in his rookie year he might actually get some minutes.

I would love you to be right. Heck, we just turned a 60th pick into an all-star, why not do it again with a 58th? I'm just tempering my expectations so I don't get hurt. :sigh:

This Nader Kid is not a fluke. -- He's been saying that himself, all this time.
Danny's been holding onto him, for a reason. -- We all can see now, that the Kid is good.

I mean he's the 8th of our Initial Draft Picks. And we let Bentil go, with $250K.
Not to mention, that we also let Hunter go.

Nader is obviously better than all of that.
He'll be on the Celtics, later this year, or from Jump next year.

Again, hope you're right. Still, with no trades, are we really going to want to add four more rookies again next year? Assuming you can stash all three of the 2nds, you've still got BRK 1st, Zizic, Yabusele, Nader.

And, to be fair, Nader was never really competing with Bentil and Hunter for roster spots. He was always going to be a stash to start, and Bentil was a super longshot to make the roster, either going to agree to a stash or getting cut. So, Bentil not agreeing to be stashed had no impact on Nader's chance of making the roster.

I'm right behind you two with my optimism for the kid, but I have a suspicion his biggest contribution to this team will be what he helps bring back in trade.


Edit: Whoops, forgot about the 2-way contracts. That should help us manage the continuing rookie inflow. Nader and the Min 2nd are great candidates there. Then you only have to stash the CLE and LAC 2nds, and bring in three rookies right off the bat.

Edit2: A 2nd stash year for Yabu would help as well.
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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader 

Post#133 » by KGboss » Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:36 am

Is there a chance we could bring Zizic over before the end of this year?

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Post#134 » by Parliament10 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:44 am

KGboss wrote:Is there a chance we could bring Zizic over before the end of this year?

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Slim to none. We'd lose a year of his Rookie Contract too, if we did.
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Post#135 » by ConstableGeneva » Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:36 am

STATS! I'll try to update this table at least once a month. (Open image in new tab to enlarge.)

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Post#136 » by Elrod is Back » Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:42 pm

Thanks, CrowderKeg. Is it worth adding Marcus Thornton's exploits in Italy? I think we can forget Ben Pepper at this point.
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Post#137 » by Homerclease » Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:01 pm

Elrod is Back wrote:Thanks, CrowderKeg. Is it worth adding Marcus Thornton's exploits in Italy? I think we can forget Ben Pepper at this point.

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Post#139 » by ConstableGeneva » Thu Nov 24, 2016 11:37 am

Basketball Champions League: Zizic had 15 points (7/12 FG, 1/1 FT), 4 blocks, 2 rebounds, 1 assist, and 1 steal in 33 minutes in Cibona 93-88 win vs. SIG Strasbourg. Video to follow.
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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader 

Post#140 » by Patsfan1081 » Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:17 pm

Parliament10 wrote:
SMTBSI wrote:
Ed Pinkney wrote:

The team is dying for a reliable back up three option. Young and Green apparently cant be trusted, Smart is too small and Jerebko is too slow.

One could argue that if he can be trusted defensively the way Smart was in his rookie year he might actually get some minutes.

I would love you to be right. Heck, we just turned a 60th pick into an all-star, why not do it again with a 58th? I'm just tempering my expectations so I don't get hurt. :sigh:

This Nader Kid is not a fluke. -- He's been saying that himself, all this time.
Danny's been holding onto him, for a reason. -- We all can see now, that the Kid is good.

I mean he's the 8th of our Initial Draft Picks. And we let Bentil go, with $250K.
Not to mention, that we also let Hunter go.

Nader is obviously better than all of that.
He'll be on the Celtics, later this year, or from Jump next year.


Nader was a different situation, Boston didn't sign him to quarenteed cash and we got lucky he decided to go to Maine. Still though I can't get too excited with Nader's d-league stats, I'll reserve judgment until next summer.

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