The (Quintessential) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 5.0)

[OBisHalJordan]

FWIW:

Chris Mannix says Celtics getting a ton of interest in Marcus Smart namely from Orlando and Sacramento.

Let them drool.

I'd absolutely move him in a Cousins deal

I just posted my "eat crow" Smart was better than I thought post in the "Marcus Smart" thread. That said, if you decided you want to add Cousins to this team, you trade Smart as part of the trade package for DMC 100 times out 100. Cousins is one of the top two or three best big men in the league. He'd give the Celtics a much needed second scorer. He's an offensive threat from anywhere on the court. Stevens could really have fun with his skillset. He'd instantly become our best rebounder. He'd be a nice fit with Horford. If Sacto wants Smart, it shouldn't be a deal breaker, especially with Rozier, Bradley and Crowder on the roster, all of whom are good defenders can more or less replace what Smart brings.

Of course, the package matters. I don't think Sacto wants Smart and salary filler like Zeller and Amir. They probably want both BK picks, which is too much for Cousins who may be an attitude problem. That said, I trust DA and Stevens to make the right call on this potential move. They have IT to give them some insight on whether a trade for Cousins would be the "great Boogie heist" or a disaster.

[Darth Celtic]

If he's available for cheap he could really help the C's

Makes 7 million next year, 0% chance we trade for him unless we make a big splash and use up our cap space next year first. Next.

How is 7 million a lot for a guy that can drop 20+ on any given night when a total worthless scrub like Zeller makes 8 million...

Because Zeller doesn't make that next year. It's not about the money this year.

[TheMartian]

FWIW:

Chris Mannix says Celtics getting a ton of interest in Marcus Smart namely from Orlando and Sacramento.

Let them drool.

I'd absolutely move him in a Cousins deal

Well, yes, if that's what it would take. But if I'm Danny, I'd move AB or Crowder first before I include Smart.

[jeremym480]

All of the Drummond discussion yesterday and Ainge saying that he's looking for rim protection got me thinking about centers... and I've come to the conclusion that Memphis just needs to trade us Marc Gasol. I mean, is there a better fit for the offense than him? Sure there are some younger more talented guys like KAT, AD (although he's more of a PF) and Cousins (head case), but it would take way too much to get those guys than it would Gasol.

Memphis needs to realize that they're never going to beat Golden State and start their rebuild now.

Gasol and JaMychal Green for Bradley, Olynyk, Amir, Zizic, and their own 19 pick back (if it's 1-8 and is not conveyed to Boston, then they get the better of our or the LAC pick). Who says no?

[Celts17Pride]

Ainge is going to end up with someone like Kosta Koufos who is going to have zero impact.

[canman1971]

Smart needs to stay. He's the type of player that wills teams to wins when things aren't going well. That is rare. He has the passion you want in a player. And he's only 22 and constantly improving. I don't see Ainge doing anything "big" at the deadline. Too much is going right. No rotation player is going to be gone. Interesting though, Young has been in quite a bit the past few games and doing well. I know it's due to some injuries, but a smaller deal that may include him, Rozier, Zeller (money only) or those types of players are the only things I see getting dealt and non-BKN picks too of course.

[Celts17Pride]

Smart needs to stay. He's the type of player that wills teams to wins when things aren't going well. That is rare. He has the passion you want in a player. And he's only 22 and constantly improving. I don't see Ainge doing anything "big" at the deadline. Too much is going right. No rotation player is going to be gone. Interesting though, Young has been in quite a bit the past few games and doing well. I know it's due to some injuries, but a smaller deal that may include him, Rozier, Zeller (money only) or those types of players are the only things I see getting dealt and non-BKN picks too of course.

I agree. Ainge will save the big stuff for the summer. Ainge still doesn't completely know what he has in this team. He won't know until after the playoffs. I'm expecting something small to either help the Celtics shooting or rebounding

[jeremym480]

Smart needs to stay. He's the type of player that wills teams to wins when things aren't going well. That is rare. He has the passion you want in a player. And he's only 22 and constantly improving. I don't see Ainge doing anything "big" at the deadline. Too much is going right. No rotation player is going to be gone. Interesting though, Young has been in quite a bit the past few games and doing well. I know it's due to some injuries, but a smaller deal that may include him, Rozier, Zeller (money only) or those types of players are the only things I see getting dealt and non-BKN picks too of course.

In a perfect world, I would love to keep Smart, Bradley, and Crowder together. I think that those three guys are perfect to help with IT4's defensive deficiencies. Then have Horford and the best rim protecting and rebounding big that we can get for expiring and picks. We need someone who has the energy and tenacity to keep guys like Tristan Thompson off of the boards... The problem is I don't know who that player would be.

[GoCeltics123]

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[SmartWentCrazy]

Gotcha year then either a 2018 1st or 2019 first. The Bulls may even settle for taking a Terry Rozier over a 1st too.

Celtics aren't going to part with Rozier for a rental which Taj is sure to be. I could see them moving that clipper first or the Minnesota second this year which should be top 40 though

Bulls aren't taking a 2nd for Taj even if he's a rental. Though he is better look at what Ibaka got who was a rental. He netted a 1st and Ross... Just from what I heard was the Bulls want a 1st or rookie contract guy(s) for Taj.

Keep him, then. He's not a particularly good rebounder and doesn't make a difference one way or another to our season.

If you guys want a high second round pick for a 25 game rental, were your team. If not, no harm no foul.

[chrisab123]

Celtics aren't going to part with Rozier for a rental which Taj is sure to be. I could see them moving that clipper first or the Minnesota second this year which should be top 40 though

Bulls aren't taking a 2nd for Taj even if he's a rental. Though he is better look at what Ibaka got who was a rental. He netted a 1st and Ross... Just from what I heard was the Bulls want a 1st or rookie contract guy(s) for Taj.

Keep him, then. He's not a particularly good rebounder and doesn't make a difference one way or another to our season.

If you guys want a high second round pick for a 25 game rental, were your team. If not, no harm no foul.

Mickey a 2nd and Zeller. Who says no?

[CelticFaninLBC]

Ainge is going to end up with someone like Kosta Koufos who is going to have zero impact.

Yeah, can see Koufos and Casspi, or McBuckets and Gibson, or Noel.

[Fencer reregistered]

Oh come on. No Celtic would have took pride in or aimed for being the absolute best in the league at something? He's hardly doing a Melo and scoring points to the downfall of the team is he?

Not as the Celts are currently constructed (aka a team of defensive role players that cannot win it all due to a lack of star power).

But if we are being real, there's at least a little bit of a red flag with his multiple brinks trunk comments and essentially saying that his "goal" is to outscore a very selfish Westbrook down the stretch of this season.

I wince at that too, but the flag is indeed pretty small.

Bird, who famously sat rather than try to secure a quadruple double or whatever, still managed to score his career high a few days after McHale got his, and nobody thinks that's a coincidence.

Russell wasn't about stats AT ALL -- but Red took the initiative to ensure that.

And there's really no analogy to a major Celtics star facing such career-long disrespect and needing to prove the doubters wrong. Nobody else had it nearly as bad in strictly basketball terms. And when guys faced even worse disrespect for other reasons -- i.e. the racism faced by the black guys of the 50s/60s -- getting stats wasn't the cure.

[ddb]

Smart needs to stay. He's the type of player that wills teams to wins when things aren't going well. That is rare. He has the passion you want in a player. And he's only 22 and constantly improving. I don't see Ainge doing anything "big" at the deadline. Too much is going right. No rotation player is going to be gone. Interesting though, Young has been in quite a bit the past few games and doing well. I know it's due to some injuries, but a smaller deal that may include him, Rozier, Zeller (money only) or those types of players are the only things I see getting dealt and non-BKN picks too of course.

I agree. smart goes nowhere. He is borderline untouchable in my eyes. Only way I move him is if NOP insisted on getting Smart back as a key piece in an Anthony Davis trade.

[Homerclease]

Mid day show on WEEI is actually talking Celtics and Lou Merloni has absolutely no clue what he's talking about lol

[TheOGJabroni]

All of the Drummond discussion yesterday and Ainge saying that he's looking for rim protection got me thinking about centers... and I've come to the conclusion that Memphis just needs to trade us Marc Gasol. I mean, is there a better fit for the offense than him? Sure there are some younger more talented guys like KAT, AD (although he's more of a PF) and Cousins (head case), but it would take way too much to get those guys than it would Gasol.

Memphis needs to realize that they're never going to beat Golden State and start their rebuild now.

Gasol and JaMychal Green for Bradley, Olynyk, Amir, Zizic, and their own 19 pick back (if it's 1-8 and is not conveyed to Boston, then they get the better of our or the LAC pick). Who says no?

I do like Gasol a lot but he will not help much with rebounding it seems.

[Ralphb07]

Celtics aren't going to part with Rozier for a rental which Taj is sure to be. I could see them moving that clipper first or the Minnesota second this year which should be top 40 though

Bulls aren't taking a 2nd for Taj even if he's a rental. Though he is better look at what Ibaka got who was a rental. He netted a 1st and Ross... Just from what I heard was the Bulls want a 1st or rookie contract guy(s) for Taj.

Keep him, then. He's not a particularly good rebounder and doesn't make a difference one way or another to our season.

If you guys want a high second round pick for a 25 game rental, were your team. If not, no harm no foul.

Which they will gladly keep him since it's so easy to purchase a 2nd round pick... Like I said earlier if Ibaka got Ross and a 1st I don't see any reason for the Bulls to not be able to get a 1st.

Good luck with the rest of the season. It's easy to root for you guys the way you play.

[ddb]

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Go get WCS, Danny!! Kings have come out and said they aren't trading Cousins. Cousins has come out and said he wants to stay in Sacto (blows my mind). Willie needs to go to a team that will value him more than Sacto. He isn't a long-term backup.

SOOOO

WCS to Boston for Terry Rozier/Jordan Mickey/Bos 2018 1st

Everyone is happy. Kings get a talented young PG & a 1st round pick along with taking a chance on Mickey.

Boston gets a young versatile defensive minded Center/RIM protector in WCS who I think would fit in nicely here.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Bulls aren't taking a 2nd for Taj even if he's a rental. Though he is better look at what Ibaka got who was a rental. He netted a 1st and Ross... Just from what I heard was the Bulls want a 1st or rookie contract guy(s) for Taj.

Keep him, then. He's not a particularly good rebounder and doesn't make a difference one way or another to our season.

If you guys want a high second round pick for a 25 game rental, were your team. If not, no harm no foul.

Which they will gladly keep him since it's so easy to purchase a 2nd round pick... Like I said earlier if Ibaka got Ross and a 1st I don't see any reason for the Bulls to not be able to get a 1st.

Good luck with the rest of the season. It's easy to root for you guys the way you play.

Good luck to you too-- except for tonight

[Celts17Pride]

Bulls aren't taking a 2nd for Taj even if he's a rental. Though he is better look at what Ibaka got who was a rental. He netted a 1st and Ross... Just from what I heard was the Bulls want a 1st or rookie contract guy(s) for Taj.

Keep him, then. He's not a particularly good rebounder and doesn't make a difference one way or another to our season.

If you guys want a high second round pick for a 25 game rental, were your team. If not, no harm no foul.

Which they will gladly keep him since it's so easy to purchase a 2nd round pick... Like I said earlier if Ibaka got Ross and a 1st I don't see any reason for the Bulls to not be able to get a 1st.

Good luck with the rest of the season. It's easy to root for you guys the way you play.

Like others have said Ainge has pretty much made it clear that he won't give up a young player and a 1st rounder for a 25 game rental. Toronto is a desperate team for a lot of reasons. Toronto is in a much different position than the Celtics.