Who to trade to clear cap space if we get GH?

31to6 · Post #121 » by **31to6** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 12:37 pm

IT/Terry
GH/Smart
JB/JT
Trade guy/Theis?
Al/Ante

lol I have no idea what our roster is without AB and Jae, but agree that they both might go.

TheOGJabroni · Post #122 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 12:38 pm

theman wrote:The question is whether the team is looking to win this season. If so, hold onto Bradley. His defense is needed in the playoffs.

If business and building for the future is important then trade Bradley as he like is gone after this season.

How much more money needs to be cleared?

Because there is another option. The Celtics could combine Crowder and Bradley and bring in a player making less.

How about Bradley and Crowder to Denver for Kenneth Faried? This move frees up about 3 million and fills a need a PF. Is 3 million enough?

I was literally just looking at that scenario. I think it is enough & we can always add Jackson to this if need be. Having said that, I’d hope for draft compensation as well. Bradley alone is a better basketball player & Crowder with his contract is more valuable. Plus they just added Millsap so they are in a similar predicament to us with adding Hayward, if not worse because it is much easier to play multiple SF than it is to play multiple PFs.

Drax · Post #123 » by **Drax** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 12:41 pm

Homerclease wrote:
CsBsSoxPhins wrote:Crowder for Holmes straight up?

Done

Booohhhh, Crowder > Holmes. Tradevaluewise and talentwise.

Homerclease · Post #124 » by **Homerclease** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 12:42 pm

Drax wrote:
Homerclease wrote:
CsBsSoxPhins wrote:Crowder for Holmes straight up?

Done

Booohhhh, Crowder > Holmes. Tradevaluewise and talentwise.

Disagree. Holmes is a darn good player and Crowder is expendable

TheOGJabroni · Post #125 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 12:42 pm

31to6 wrote:IT/Terry
GH/Smart
JB/JT
Trade guy/Theis?
Al/Ante

lol I have no idea what our roster is without AB and Jae, but agree that they both might go.

If something like the Faried situation were to happen:

Thomas (32) / Rozier (16)
Brown (16) / Smart (32)
Hayward (32) / Brown (16)
Faried (24) / Tatum (24)
Horford (32) / Zizic (16)

Plus add in room level guys (maybe Jerebko comes back) & vet min guys (Green & a front court player)

TheOGJabroni · Post #126 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 12:43 pm

Homerclease wrote:
Drax wrote:
Homerclease wrote:Done

Booohhhh, Crowder > Holmes. Tradevaluewise and talentwise.

Disagree. Holmes is a darn good player and Crowder is expendable

Yep, I think it’s pretty fair, assuming the 76ers would want Crowder; could be routed to a third team that has a need for a wing defender.

jfs1000d · Post #127 » by **jfs1000d** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 12:44 pm

We are going to either trade Crowder, Smart, or Bradley for pennies on the dollar. That's too bad, but that's the deal.

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Post #128 » by **165bows** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 12:46 pm

Drax wrote:
Homerclease wrote:
CsBsSoxPhins wrote:Crowder for Holmes straight up?

Done

Booohhhh, Crowder > Holmes. Tradevaluewise and talentwise.

Yeah, Holmes is pretty much an unknown relative to Crowder. We know he put up good numbers in a small sample for a bad team. We also know that they want a guy that can function in a team setting and execute a team concept, and be versatile on defense. I'm sure some people watched a ton of Philly games but assuming that Holmes doesn't also come with some real potential liabilities with his positives is premature for me. Being productive on a bad team isn't always the same skill as contributing to winning on a good one.

Drax · Post #129 » by **Drax** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 12:48 pm

Homerclease wrote:
Drax wrote:[Booohhhh, Crowder > Holmes. Tradevaluewise and talentwise.

Disagree. Holmes is a darn good player and Crowder is expendable

Just because Jay may be expendable doesn't mean Holmes is better or more valuable. Wing > big (unless it's a generational big). I seriously don't want a 20 min per game back up big from a 28 win team over an above average starting wing.

TheOGJabroni · Post #130 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 12:49 pm

165bows wrote:
Drax wrote:
Homerclease wrote:Done

Booohhhh, Crowder > Holmes. Tradevaluewise and talentwise.

Yeah, Holmes is pretty much an unknown relative to Crowder. We know he put up good numbers in a small sample for a bad team. We also know that they want a guy that can function in a team setting and execute a team concept, and be versatile on defense. I'm sure some people watched a ton of Philly games but assuming that Holmes doesn't also come with some real potential liabilities with his positives is premature for me. Being productive on a bad team isn't always the same skill as contributing to winning on a good one.

Valid points but are options are relatively thin. I’d rather take a flyer on a decent upside front court player with some needed athleticism to this roster. We can only work with so much if we’re trying to retain most of our roster. If we move Crowder + others, then the conversation opens up a little bit.

Homerclease · Post #131 » by **Homerclease** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 12:50 pm

Drax wrote:
Homerclease wrote:
Drax wrote:[Booohhhh, Crowder > Holmes. Tradevaluewise and talentwise.

Disagree. Holmes is a darn good player and Crowder is expendable

Just because Jay may be expendable doesn't mean Holmes is better or more valuable. Wing > big (unless it's a generational big). I seriously don't want a 20 min per game back up bif from a 28 win team over an above average starting wing.

We make that deal and Holmes is in your starting lineup opening night.

I'm not sure what caliber of player people are expecting back in a trade here. Whatever move we make is basically a glorified salary dump.

bake51 · Post #132 » by **bake51** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 12:55 pm

Would you guys be interested in Gorgui Dieng?

Drax · Post #133 » by **Drax** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 12:57 pm

Homerclease wrote:
Drax wrote:
Homerclease wrote:Disagree. Holmes is a darn good player and Crowder is expendable

Just because Jay may be expendable doesn't mean Holmes is better or more valuable. Wing > big (unless it's a generational big). I seriously don't want a 20 min per game back up bif from a 28 win team over an above average starting wing.

We make that deal and Holmes is in your starting lineup opening night.

I'm not sure what caliber of player people are expecting back in a trade here. Whatever move we make is basically a glorified salary dump.

Thank god that we're not a GM then. Because Holmes is not starting material, especially not on a Brad Stevens team. Somehow i don't think people don't even notice what our teams intentions are. What move over the last three years did suggest we want a traditional big in a major role for this team? Why do we have all of the sudden so many wing players on the roster?

Homerclease · Post #134 » by **Homerclease** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 12:59 pm

Drax wrote:
Homerclease wrote:
Drax wrote:
Just because Jay may be expendable doesn't mean Holmes is better or more valuable. Wing > big (unless it's a generational big). I seriously don't want a 20 min per game back up bif from a 28 win team over an above average starting wing.

We make that deal and Holmes is in your starting lineup opening night.

I'm not sure what caliber of player people are expecting back in a trade here. Whatever move we make is basically a glorified salary dump.

Thank god that we're not a GM then. Because Holmes is not starting material, especially not on a Brad Stevens team. Somehow i don't think people don't even notice what our teams intentions are. What move over the last three years did suggest we want a traditional big in a major role for this team? Why do we have all of the sudden so many wing players on the roster?

David Lee, Tyler Zeller, Amir Johnson, Jared Sullinger, Ante Zizic, Jordan Mickey.

Holmes is a lot better than you are giving him credit for.

31to6 · Post #135 » by **31to6** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 1:01 pm

bake51 wrote:Would you guys be interested in Gorgui Dieng?

VERY

Drax · Post #136 » by **Drax** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 1:04 pm

Homerclease wrote:David Lee, Tyler Zeller, Amir Johnson, Jared Sullinger, Ante Zizic, Jordan Mickey.

Holmes is a lot better than you are giving him credit for.

That list is really not impressive, i'd rather have Crowder over any of them. Or all of them combined.

Homerclease · Post #137 » by **Homerclease** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 1:06 pm

Drax wrote:
Homerclease wrote:David Lee, Tyler Zeller, Amir Johnson, Jared Sullinger, Ante Zizic, Jordan Mickey.

Holmes is a lot better than you are giving him credit for.

That list is really not impressive, i'd rather have Crowder over any of them. Or all of them combined.

Agreed, but that's not what you asked. The Celtics haven't avoided traditional bigs at all over the last few years, rather they have been unsuccessful in acquiring a good one.

theman · Post #138 » by **theman** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 1:09 pm

bake51 wrote:Would you guys be interested in Gorgui Dieng?

Yes, please.

Drax · Post #139 » by **Drax** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 1:11 pm

Homerclease wrote:Agreed, but that's not what you asked. The Celtics haven't avoided traditional bigs at all over the last few years, rather they have been unsuccessful in acquiring a good one.

Well you have not answered my inital question then aswell. Who's the traditional big who was brought in to have an big role for the Celtics (30+ minutes, touches, rebounding, defense)? Traditonal bigs and capsspace was available over the last three years and outside of Amir none was even debated for the Cs. Coincidence?

Homerclease · Post #140 » by **Homerclease** » Wed Jul 5, 2017 1:13 pm

Drax wrote:
Homerclease wrote:Agreed, but that's not what you asked. The Celtics haven't avoided traditional bigs at all over the last few years, rather they have been unsuccessful in acquiring a good one.

Well you have not answered my inital question then aswell. Who's the traditional big who was brought in to have an big role for the Celtics (30+ minutes, touches, rebounding, defense)? Traditonal bigs and capsspace was available over the last three years and outside of Amir none was even debated for the Cs. Coincidence?

All of them. Lee, Sully and Zeller were all starters. Jury is out on Zizic. The problem was that none of them were good enough.

Who do we trade to clear Cap room?