Celtics General Offseason (incl. Trade) Thread, 2019

[SmartWentCrazy]

Morris wants to return, Rozier is gone, we are still all in on AD regardless of Kyrie.

Very glad to hear all of this.

Our team is still built to win now and I am more than fine trading Tatum for AD regardless of Kyrie’s decision. One man alone can win the East and AD is on the same tier as Kawhi and Giannis. An AD/Horford/Hayward/Brown core is damn competitive, IMO, and im willing to gamble on a talent like AD sticking around.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Morris wants to return, Rozier is gone, we are still all in on AD regardless of Kyrie.

Gotta say: Morris made me do a 180 on him since last May. Couldn't stand him up until last year's ECF when I started to change my opinion on him. He then completely won me over this season.

He gave his heart and soul to this team over the last two years and I'll always appreciate that.

That being said, I just can't see us paying up to keep him. Hope I'm wrong, though.

I think we will overpay for him if we trade for AD, similar to how LA paid the troll toll for LeBron by overpaying KCP.

This stuff shouldn't matter, but it always does.

[Valid]

Morris wants to return, Rozier is gone, we are still all in on AD regardless of Kyrie.

Gotta say: Morris made me do a 180 on him since last May. Couldn't stand him up until last year's ECF when I started to change my opinion on him. He then completely won me over this season.

He gave his heart and soul to this team over the last two years and I'll always appreciate that.

That being said, I just can't see us paying up to keep him. Hope I'm wrong, though.

I think we will overpay for him if we trade for AD, similar to how LA paid the troll toll for LeBron by overpaying KCP.

This stuff shouldn't matter, but it always does.

[Creole_Ce1tic]

Agreed. I wrote it a million times, but last year Kyrie adjusted to our ie Brad's system and he looked crazy good. This year, he was his own man and failed miserably and dragged the team down with him.

I think he probably felt some rivalry with Brown and Tatum, which isn’t an ideal situation..

The only rivalry is in his head. If you're playing to win, you should do whatever it takes to win. If you're playing for yourself, a situation ala Melo in NYK would be nice.

Dude's 27 years old and extremely immature. You'd think that having a kid and having to manage a huge fortune would turn him into a man, but he definitely isn't. He's an insecure, little dweeb, and a "me first" guy, who loves talking about himself and doesn't have the ability to take responsibility for his own actions. This was the poorest Celtics' star playoff performance I've watched in 15 years as a fan. Pathetic on so many levels and the **** he said after every bad game was so **** hilarious, imagine if Tatum and Brown were shooting 6-7 of 22-23(24) for 3-4 games straight. Dude would've thrown a serious temper tantrum in the media- talking about the little things, the team, working and how you need to not be "selfish".

You've been diagnosed as having tunnel vision.

[robdog_5]

Bleacher report actually had an informative article on trading for AD regarding Celtics, Knicks and Lakers.

In the scenario he listed Tatum, Smart, Brown, 20 pick, grizz pick. Or sub 14 pick/Rob Wiiliams and future 2nd for Brown.

I'd do Tatum, smart, yasbule, William's, 14, 20 and grizz pick. Maybe ask for a 2nd rd back. NOP would have Tatum, Zion and Jrue with bulldog Smart to remain competitive and have 14/20 for 2 young role player or flyer-high upside guys. Plus they have grizz pick which is a future top 10 most likely.

Celtics have Horf/AD/Hayward/Brown group to build around. Resign Morris, Baynes, and draft wing or G at 22. Carsen Edward's or Cam Johnson to have a more NBA ready player who can shoot. Sign Pet Beverly in MLE helps replace Smarts tenacity.

Beverly
Brown
Hayward
Horford
AD

Baynes
Morris
Ojeyle
Edwards
Find a 3/D on vet min or promote Dozier

[celticfan42487]

Bleacher report actually had an informative article on trading for AD regarding Celtics, Knicks and Lakers.

In the scenario he listed Tatum, Smart, Brown, 20 pick, grizz pick. Or sub 14 pick/Rob Wiiliams and future 2nd for Brown.

I'd do Tatum, smart, yasbule, William's, 14, 20 and grizz pick. Maybe ask for a 2nd rd back. NOP would have Tatum, Zion and Jrue with bulldog Smart to remain competitive and have 14/20 for 2 young role player or flyer-high upside guys. Plus they have grizz pick which is a future top 10 most likely.

Celtics have Horf/AD/Hayward/Brown group to build around. Resign Morris, Baynes, and draft wing or G at 22. Carsen Edward's or Cam Johnson to have a more NBA ready player who can shoot. Sign Pet Beverly in MLE helps replace Smarts tenacity.

Beverly
Brown
Hayward
Horford
AD

Baynes
Morris
Ojeyle
Edwards
Find a 3/D on vet min or promote Dozier

Thanks I was looking for information like this.

I'm all in on AD too. And I think we can resign Irving if we get AD.

Although I think that does leave a critical lack of playmaking on the team. Both Irving and AD do not make players around them better, they just get theirs.

If we did a Smart, Brown, Tatum trade for AD (some number of firsts, I think NYK and LAL will be all in so it'll take a lot to beat them).

We need playmaking. A fully healthy Hayward no longer exsists but he'd be the perfect piece next for a championship core of AD, Irving, Hayward.

I think the perfect free agent adition if possible would be Ricky Rubio. He's big enough to guard SGs for Irving, and a phenomenal playmaker to manage the shot distribution and set up Hayward who looks like he's more of a Korver at this stage of his career when he's playing at the elite levels of a ECF or Finals against a defense like the Bucks or Warriors.

Rubio
Irving (takes the easiest of guard assignments)
Hayward
AD
Horford

I think that's the right mix of players. Rubio and Horford don't mind not scoring. Hayward will get enough of his offense off the attention Irving or AD gather. And finally Irving will get some open shots in basketball games, I don't think he took a single good shot this entire season. He will in that offense, just have to take the ball out of his hands and let him be the shooting guard that he shines at being.

The flaw in that lineup would be just how broken Hayward is. You can make up for having one horrible defender in Irving against most teams but if Hayward agility doesn't come back that's a lot to ask for.

[GoCeltics123]

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Bickerstaff is an NBA guy at least, and a proven assistant; not a college guy.

[MagicBagley18]

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****. I mean jb bickerstuff wasn’t the “former player who commands a locker room” vision I had but uhhhhh

[GoCeltics123]

Morris wants to return, Rozier is gone, we are still all in on AD regardless of Kyrie.

Gotta say: Morris made me do a 180 on him since last May. Couldn't stand him up until last year's ECF when I started to change my opinion on him. He then completely won me over this season.

He gave his heart and soul to this team over the last two years and I'll always appreciate that.

That being said, I just can't see us paying up to keep him. Hope I'm wrong, though.

I think we will overpay for him if we trade for AD, similar to how LA paid the troll toll for LeBron by overpaying KCP.

This stuff shouldn't matter, but it always does.

For those who don't watch It's Always Sunny, here's context:

[robdog_5]

I dont know if I can stomach a Irving/Davis team tbh. The thing I like about not signing Kyrie but adding Davis anyway is if it doesn't work out. You have Horford maybe on last year, Hayward coming off and AD. You can reload with lots of space or bottom out and rebuid

[ViperGTS]

Curious if “all in” means both Jays

Yeah, better not. It isn’t tue Celtics job, nor any other team to get NO in a better position now and for the future. Business 101. Always attack from a position of strength and NO has none. They have a player that wants out. Period. In every single other trade in every sport, and every player, once it is known they want out it is feeding time. Low ball time. AD isn’t any different. Look what the Nets did when they were desperate. AD leaves in a year, or worse gets hurt, oh boy. I just can’t see Danny doing that. No team should in fact.

Well, they do. There are at least 3 other teams (LAL, LAC, NYK) that would really like to get him, and all 3 will go in thinking they can retain his services beyond next season. So Danny isn't bidding against himself here - he will need to beat 3 very serious offers.

I know you will just say, "then he shouldn't trade for him'", but like it or not, it looks like he's going to try.

Again, it isn’t hard to trade for AD by everyone here’s ideas. You, me or the 5 year old in grade school can trade everything they want but say, Kyrie. No, the grand trade master needs to be better than that. He needs to do what he always done which is to protect as many assets as he can while getting a deal done. If the price gets stupid, you push back from the table. If the Cs get him, and the reaction isn’t “that is all it took?” then it wasn’t a good trade.

[Celts17Pride]

Morris wants to return, Rozier is gone, we are still all in on AD regardless of Kyrie.

Gotta say: Morris made me do a 180 on him since last May. Couldn't stand him up until last year's ECF when I started to change my opinion on him. He then completely won me over this season.

He gave his heart and soul to this team over the last two years and I'll always appreciate that.

That being said, I just can't see us paying up to keep him. Hope I'm wrong, though.

If Ainge decides to go the AD route then the Celtics management and ownership are all in with paying players. If not then why trade for AD?

Remember the Celtics have to convince AD to stay.

Morris would be a very important player off the bench.

[zoyathedestroya]

I dont know if I can stomach a Irving/Davis team tbh. The thing I like about not signing Kyrie but adding Davis anyway is if it doesn't work out. You have Horford maybe on last year, Hayward coming off and AD. You can reload with lots of space or bottom out and rebuid

Kyrie might not even commit long-term. Him signing a 1+1 isn't totally out of the question.

If Danny and Kyrie both agree to a long-term contract, we can always flip Kyrie to a contending team for expirings and picks. He's a tradeable asset as long as he doesn't get injured.

[Disinformation]

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Bickerstaff is an NBA guy at least, and a proven assistant; not a college guy.

Yeah. I think having an NBA vet coach on the bench will really help Brad.

[Green89]

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Bickerstaff is an NBA guy at least, and a proven assistant; not a college guy.

Yeah. I think having an NBA vet coach on the bench will really help Brad.

And he's not afraid to call out the refs.

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[truth18]

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Thank **** god.

Burn these college assistants and get guys like JB.

[Froob]

Brad going to be canned mid season for JB, it's destiny. Bittersaff is always the interim head coach.

[zoyathedestroya]

We missed out on Jason Kidd. This season could've been more enjoyable than the last one.

[truth18]

Gotta say: Morris made me do a 180 on him since last May. Couldn't stand him up until last year's ECF when I started to change my opinion on him. He then completely won me over this season.

He gave his heart and soul to this team over the last two years and I'll always appreciate that.

That being said, I just can't see us paying up to keep him. Hope I'm wrong, though.

I think we will overpay for him if we trade for AD, similar to how LA paid the troll toll for LeBron by overpaying KCP.

This stuff shouldn't matter, but it always does.

For those who don't watch It's Always Sunny, here's context:

TROLL TOLL

Spoiler:

What'd you say?

TROLL TOLL

Spoiler:

hey hey heyyy

[3D Chess]

Yeah, better not. It isn’t tue Celtics job, nor any other team to get NO in a better position now and for the future. Business 101. Always attack from a position of strength and NO has none. They have a player that wants out. Period. In every single other trade in every sport, and every player, once it is known they want out it is feeding time. Low ball time. AD isn’t any different. Look what the Nets did when they were desperate. AD leaves in a year, or worse gets hurt, oh boy. I just can’t see Danny doing that. No team should in fact.

Well, they do. There are at least 3 other teams (LAL, LAC, NYK) that would really like to get him, and all 3 will go in thinking they can retain his services beyond next season. So Danny isn't bidding against himself here - he will need to beat 3 very serious offers.

I know you will just say, "then he shouldn't trade for him'", but like it or not, it looks like he's going to try.

Again, it isn’t hard to trade for AD by everyone here’s ideas. You, me or the 5 year old in grade school can trade everything they want but say, Kyrie. No, the grand trade master needs to be better than that. He needs to do what he always done which is to protect as many assets as he can while getting a deal done. If the price gets stupid, you push back from the table. If the Cs get him, and the reaction isn’t “that is all it took?” then it wasn’t a good trade.

Rarely do you truly know who won a trade the day it goes down. You contradict your own argument by saying a 5 year old can make up a trade for AD, and then say that same 5 year old can claim it was too much, and be unequivocally correct. Only time will tell what a fair value trade is for AD, and Ainge gets paid the big bucks to figure out what that is. But you saying they have no leverage in this situation and that we can screw them down to agree to a miserable deal (for them) is patently untrue.