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Re: Projected 2019-2020 Roster 

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Re: Projected 2019-2020 Roster 

Post#122 » by Parliament10 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:14 pm

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Parliament10 wrote:If a team Starts 2 Bigs, then we're fried.
Unless we bring in a Starting PF; I think that we have to go with the following.:


2019-20 Tentative Roster
Kemba - Hayward - Tatum - R. Williams - Kanter
Smart - Brown - Ojeleye - Theis - Poirier
Wanamaker - Edwards - Langford - G. Williams - (Fall)
Two-Ways = Strus; Waters

RW3 & Kante starting together? I don't think that is going to happen. Neither are exactly outside threats. Maybe Kanter will become one but they could really stifle the offense if they are in there together.


They could use that lineup against bigger teams. Shooting can still be provided by kemba, hayward and tatum. I think the lineup of kemba, brown, hayward, tatum and Kanter would get the most burn as starters.

Exactly. I think that Brown and R.Williams will have to be Super 6th-Men, and Start depending upon Matchup.
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Re: Projected 2019-2020 Roster 

Post#123 » by snowman » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:57 pm

I think that we are going to be surprised by Poirier. I expect him to be pushing for a starting spot by all star break. I think Kanter will start, but Poirier will be getting 15 -20 min per game. I think you switch R.Williams with Theis starting to start with. Theis is more muscle, can hit the outside shot, and is proven in Brad's system from last year. IF we start 2 bigs, I think Theis will be the second big.

Kimba, Haywood, Tatum, Theis, Kanter
Smart, Brown, Semi, R. Williams, Poirier. ,
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Re: Projected 2019-2020 Roster 

Post#124 » by Bleeding Green » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:34 pm

snowman wrote:I think that we are going to be surprised by Poirier. I expect him to be pushing for a starting spot by all star break. I think Kanter will start, but Poirier will be getting 15 -20 min per game. I think you switch R.Williams with Theis starting to start with. Theis is more muscle, can hit the outside shot, and is proven in Brad's system from last year. IF we start 2 bigs, I think Theis will be the second big.

Kimba, Haywood, Tatum, Theis, Kanter
Smart, Brown, Semi, R. Williams, Poirier. ,

The more I watch Poirier highlights the more I don't have any doubt he can step in and do exactly what Baynes was doing.

Hopefully he can be a little less injury prone and have some offensive potential beyond what Baynes could do: offensive rebound putbacks and respectable outside shooting. Even just as an above average PnR rollman or transition rim runner. I want this team to spam PnR this year.
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Re: Projected 2019-2020 Roster 

Post#125 » by Fencer reregistered » Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:44 pm

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snowman wrote:I think that we are going to be surprised by Poirier. I expect him to be pushing for a starting spot by all star break. I think Kanter will start, but Poirier will be getting 15 -20 min per game. I think you switch R.Williams with Theis starting to start with. Theis is more muscle, can hit the outside shot, and is proven in Brad's system from last year. IF we start 2 bigs, I think Theis will be the second big.

Kimba, Haywood, Tatum, Theis, Kanter
Smart, Brown, Semi, R. Williams, Poirier. ,

The more I watch Poirier highlights the more I don't have any doubt he can step in and do exactly what Baynes was doing.

Hopefully he can be a little less injury prone and have some offensive potential beyond what Baynes could do: offensive rebound putbacks and respectable outside shooting. Even just as an above average PnR rollman or transition rim runner. I want this team to spam PnR this year.


I'm not aware of anything Poirier does better than Kanter. They're both regarded as excellent at rebounding. They're both regarded as horrible at mobile defense. Poirier surely isn't Kanter's equal as a post scorer. What do you think I might be overlooking?

https://www.celticsblog.com/2019/7/5/20682829/does-boston-celtics-vincent-poirier-have-the-movement-skills-to-survive-in-the-nba
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Re: Projected 2019-2020 Roster 

Post#126 » by Bleeding Green » Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:04 pm

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snowman wrote:I think that we are going to be surprised by Poirier. I expect him to be pushing for a starting spot by all star break. I think Kanter will start, but Poirier will be getting 15 -20 min per game. I think you switch R.Williams with Theis starting to start with. Theis is more muscle, can hit the outside shot, and is proven in Brad's system from last year. IF we start 2 bigs, I think Theis will be the second big.

Kimba, Haywood, Tatum, Theis, Kanter
Smart, Brown, Semi, R. Williams, Poirier. ,

The more I watch Poirier highlights the more I don't have any doubt he can step in and do exactly what Baynes was doing.

Hopefully he can be a little less injury prone and have some offensive potential beyond what Baynes could do: offensive rebound putbacks and respectable outside shooting. Even just as an above average PnR rollman or transition rim runner. I want this team to spam PnR this year.


I'm not aware of anything Poirier does better than Kanter. They're both regarded as excellent at rebounding. They're both regarded as horrible at mobile defense. Poirier surely isn't Kanter's equal as a post scorer. What do you think I might be overlooking?

https://www.celticsblog.com/2019/7/5/20682829/does-boston-celtics-vincent-poirier-have-the-movement-skills-to-survive-in-the-nba

I don't expect him to be better than Kanter, but he should be able to take on all of the Baynes minutes. Certainly he looks more stout defensively than Kanter, and should be some facsimile of Baynes on defense, especially in the post and near the rim. He has a "terrific wingspan" so I don't see his defense being an issue when dropping down into the post. But yes, he looks like he'll be really bad on the perimeter just like Baynes. He won't be effective in PnR if he has to blitz the ball handler, no chance. He looks great as a roller in the PnR offensively, better than Kanter there.

But I'm really high on Kanter too, Celtics haven't had a player with his rebounding ability since Parish.
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Re: Projected 2019-2020 Roster 

Post#127 » by Parliament10 » Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:10 am

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Bleeding Green wrote:The more I watch Poirier highlights the more I don't have any doubt he can step in and do exactly what Baynes was doing.

Hopefully he can be a little less injury prone and have some offensive potential beyond what Baynes could do: offensive rebound putbacks and respectable outside shooting. Even just as an above average PnR rollman or transition rim runner. I want this team to spam PnR this year.


I'm not aware of anything Poirier does better than Kanter. They're both regarded as excellent at rebounding. They're both regarded as horrible at mobile defense. Poirier surely isn't Kanter's equal as a post scorer. What do you think I might be overlooking?

https://www.celticsblog.com/2019/7/5/20682829/does-boston-celtics-vincent-poirier-have-the-movement-skills-to-survive-in-the-nba

I don't expect him to be better than Kanter, but he should be able to take on all of the Baynes minutes. Certainly he looks more stout defensively than Kanter, and should be some facsimile of Baynes on defense, especially in the post and near the rim. He has a "terrific wingspan" so I don't see his defense being an issue when dropping down into the post. But yes, he looks like he'll be really bad on the perimeter just like Baynes. He won't be effective in PnR if he has to blitz the ball handler, no chance. He looks great as a roller in the PnR offensively, better than Kanter there.

But I'm really high on Kanter too, Celtics haven't had a player with his rebounding ability since Parish.

Where do you guys see R. Williams fitting into this?
As one of our 4's (and 5's) maybe?
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Re: Projected 2019-2020 Roster 

Post#128 » by Bleeding Green » Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:11 am

Parliament10 wrote:
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I'm not aware of anything Poirier does better than Kanter. They're both regarded as excellent at rebounding. They're both regarded as horrible at mobile defense. Poirier surely isn't Kanter's equal as a post scorer. What do you think I might be overlooking?

https://www.celticsblog.com/2019/7/5/20682829/does-boston-celtics-vincent-poirier-have-the-movement-skills-to-survive-in-the-nba

I don't expect him to be better than Kanter, but he should be able to take on all of the Baynes minutes. Certainly he looks more stout defensively than Kanter, and should be some facsimile of Baynes on defense, especially in the post and near the rim. He has a "terrific wingspan" so I don't see his defense being an issue when dropping down into the post. But yes, he looks like he'll be really bad on the perimeter just like Baynes. He won't be effective in PnR if he has to blitz the ball handler, no chance. He looks great as a roller in the PnR offensively, better than Kanter there.

But I'm really high on Kanter too, Celtics haven't had a player with his rebounding ability since Parish.

Where do you guys see R. Williams fitting into this?
As one of our 4's (and 5's) maybe?

I expect him to be on the floor a ton if he improves on his understanding of team defensive tactics. He should pair really well with any other "big" offensively because of his passing ability. GWilliams/RWilliams, Kanter/RWill, Poirier/RWill (maybe not this pairing very much?), RWill/Theis and RWill/Tatum all look good to me if Rob is competent in a team defense.
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Re: Projected 2019-2020 Roster 

Post#129 » by Parliament10 » Sun Oct 6, 2019 8:30 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:Ballhandlers: Kemba, Smart, Edwards, Wanamaker
Wings/Swings: Hayward, Tatum, Brown, Langford, Ojeleye, G.Williams
Bigs: Kanter, Poirier, Williams, Theis, Yabusele

Two-way: Tremont Waters
Two-way: Max Strus

Spoiler:
CHAMPIONSHIP!

Now that the proverbial smoke is clearing.
I like this Roster. With Tacko IN, and Yabusele OUT.
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Re: Projected 2019-2020 Roster 

Post#130 » by Dogen » Mon Oct 7, 2019 4:01 am

Parliament10 wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:Ballhandlers: Kemba, Smart, Edwards, Wanamaker
Wings/Swings: Hayward, Tatum, Brown, Langford, Ojeleye, G.Williams
Bigs: Kanter, Poirier, Williams, Theis, Yabusele

Two-way: Tremont Waters
Two-way: Max Strus

Spoiler:
CHAMPIONSHIP!

Now that the proverbial smoke is clearing.
I like this Roster. With Tacko IN, and Yabusele OUT.


Bigs: Tacko Fall 7’6 / Vincent Poirier 7’0 / Enes Kanter 6’11 / Robert Williams 6’10 / Daniel Theis 6’8
Swingers: Jason Tatum 6’8 / Gordon Hayward 6’8 / Jaylen Brown 6’7 / Grant Williams 6’7 / Romeo Langford 6’6 / Javonte Green 6’5
Ballhandlers: Marcus Smart 6’4 / Kemba Walker 6’1 / Carsen Edwards 6’0 / Tremont Waters 5’11

I did the 15 man roster top down by size, not skill. Ojeleye (sorry man, love ya) and Wannamaker don't make the cut.

Something will need to change in order to compete. Ojeleye did well against Giannis, but Giannis has gotten better since two years ago. We don't have an answer here... maybe R Williams needs to take that one as he's the only player with the size and athleticism, but he's young and not strong enough yet.

I think the Celtics will eventually get a good look at Langford, and a subtext of the first half of the year will be if he can eventually step into Jaylen Brown's role. Maybe by trade deadline we'll have a better idea, but like many others have said, that frontline as currently constituted isn't going to cut it, and Jaylen seems like the odd man out in the overcrowded swing department. Doubt he'll be happy coming off the bench in a contract year, and he has some trade value, perhaps a sign and trade for a big. Problem is, there don't seem to be many trades out there that are either not very enticing (taking on big contracts for Aldridge, Adams, Gasol, Drummond -- guys that are either aging or flawed and perhaps not worth the $ as they won't out us into contention) or not likely (trying to get a young player like Sabonis, JJ Jr, or Wendell Carter Jr).
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