We have enough of a Tatum sample now

[Gomes3PC]

I really do think there is a knock on impact of a young guy like Ingram or Booker always being on crap teams. I don't know how to quantify it but losing all those games and being mis-managed by subpar coaching/teammates has to impact a guy's development.

[SuperDeluxe]

Tatum needs to do something about that beard, tho.

[tlee324]

Bird was insane

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Only 2nd player, 22-yo or under, in NBA history to do so. Jaren Jackson is the other one.

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[Floody100]

Tatum needs to do something about that beard, tho.

Yeah it ain’t good lol
Someone needs to tell him to get the Kawhi beard trim.

[ddb]

Tatum & Brown are going NOWHERE. Trading a 21 year old All-Star in Tatum would be Ainge's dumbest move of his tenure in Boston. Tatum during his prime years will be a Top 10 Player in the league. Book it.
People act like he's a finished product. Common!
There are very few people in the league I would trade Tatum for when factoring in longevity. Very few. Doncic, Giannis....I mean I can't think of too many more to be honest.

[itrsteve]

Tatum & Brown are going NOWHERE. Trading a 21 year old All-Star in Tatum would be Ainge's dumbest move of his tenure in Boston. Tatum during his prime years will be a Top 10 Player in the league. Book it.
People act like he's a finished product. Common!
There are very few people in the league I would trade Tatum for when factoring in longevity. Very few. Doncic, Giannis....I mean I can't think of too many more to be honest.

It's no question, even with the bad nights.

There's no reason they can't grow into a formidable duo that play in an extremely similar manner to Leonard and PG.

I really hope the Tatum extension stuff this summer goes off without a hitch. Getting that monkey off Jaylen's back worked wonders for his output, I'd like to think the same can happen for Tatum as well..

[24istheLAW]

YOu guys rather max out Tatum or Ingram?

Definitely Tatum, because defense exists. But I think Ingram leapfrogged Jaylen this year, and is the best offensive player of the three.

I couldn't be more impressed with Ingram's growth honestly. He's a craftier offensive player than either of the Jays. The Jays can score like he can, but they can't see the floor, handle, find spots, sneak around without the ball etc. the way he does. He's developed a game that should translate to playing efficiently off another high-usage player.

It's funny because i thought JB and BI would be equally as good when all is said and done but Ingram has like you said leapfrogged JB and BI still has the higher ceiling.

I think if you put Jaylen in Ingram's current spot, getting to gun at it, he could probably get 25 ppg too. But I see more ability to score in the flow of a half-court offense in Ingram than Brown. His offense fits the neatest of Tatum/Ingram/Brown as a secondary star.

[celticfan42487]

YOu guys rather max out Tatum or Ingram?

If we swapped them....

Holiday
Ball
Reddick
Tatum
Favors

Is that team better than the Pels current record of 14-26? I would say so.

Alternatively,

Walker
Brown
Ingram
Hayward
Theis

I don't think that team is 26-11. Tatum has won us a few games based on his defense, IMO.

Actually I think both teams would be better if you switched the two players.

Probably moreso the Pelicans than the Cs. But Tatum, Brown, Smart, Hayward, Walker would all thrive off having a legit second scoring option after Kemba. We keep trying it with Hayward but he's no longer healthy enough to do that.

The Pelicans ironically have TOO MUCH playmaking in their lineup with Jrue and Ball who both are floor generals. If you can take the ball and playmaking out of Tatum's hands... all of a sudden you unlock his current greatest strengths as a super charged shot maker. If Tatum gets the ball and the defense has already been collapsed... forget about it he's going to kill an open 3 and hopefully he's smart enough to go all the way to the basket for an easy layup if that's open.

The ONLY time Tatum gets **** up is when he has the ball in his hands and is asked to play make. Then comes the career low TS% Tatum we're seeing this season where he dribbles forever, and goes to get blocked at the rim or fumble the ball away trying to drive to the rim or bricks a mid range jay.

And Brown is just Tatum with the same limitations but much more pronounced than Tatum. If he was one a team where he was never asked to get a bucket or playmake and just thrive off passing we've seen what he can do.

So having Ingram, a legit triple threat scoring option and great playmaker with Kemba would unlock everyone around them. And the Celtics offense would go supernova.

As for the Pelicans the defensive upgrades of Tatum and them already having plenty of playmakers on their team in Jrue, Ball, and NAW would unlock 3rd championship scoring option Tatum into supernova mode and you'd have an all-star for sure. Especially if Zion comes back and is able to do a little playmaking or demand coverages to him leaving Tatum even more wide open for his one elite skill... which is kocking down open 3 point shots. Yes that's a good shot for everyone, but for Tatum he's elite at it, especially corner 3s. With that much PLAYMAKING on the team Tatum could get to Ingram's level of scoring as well just in a different way. But we're talking the lofty 25 ppg on nearly 50/40 shooting that Ingram is doing this year which is insane.

Of course ideally you'd want Ingram and Tatum on the same team as they complement each other very well and would be one of the best young duos in the league if they were. They compliment each other so well and are the fabled wing counter that people would actually start debates about whether Embiid and Simmons or Tatum and Ingram are a better duo (one is less talented but actually compliments each other unlike the other).

[sam_I_am]

Ingram averaged 9, 16, 18 in his first 3 seasons and was a career 33% 3 pt shooter before breaking out this year. Imagine what Tatum will look like when he breaks out next year.

[Darth Celtic]

Remember, we lost the trade because we only ended with JT and JB and the nets got Kyrie.

[ddb]

Tatum & Brown are going NOWHERE. Trading a 21 year old All-Star in Tatum would be Ainge's dumbest move of his tenure in Boston. Tatum during his prime years will be a Top 10 Player in the league. Book it.
People act like he's a finished product. Common!
There are very few people in the league I would trade Tatum for when factoring in longevity. Very few. Doncic, Giannis....I mean I can't think of too many more to be honest.

It's no question, even with the bad nights.

There's no reason they can't grow into a formidable duo that play in an extremely similar manner to Leonard and PG.

I really hope the Tatum extension stuff this summer goes off without a hitch. Getting that monkey off Jaylen's back worked wonders for his output, I'd like to think the same can happen for Tatum as well..

that's priority number 1 this summer. Tatum will get a max

[ddb]

Ingram averaged 9, 16, 18 in his first 3 seasons and was a career 33% 3 pt shooter before breaking out this year. Imagine what Tatum will look like when he breaks out next year.

I mean Tatum just dropped 41 on Ingram in 3 quarters. Tatum is breaking out already. There's a chance he ends up leading scorer on Celtics this season. Next year? with a new contract. forget it. That's when he could jump to 24-25ppg

[itrsteve]

Remember, we lost the trade because we only ended with JT and JB and the nets got Kyrie.

GB in a nutshell

"DaNnY h0lds 0n 2 aSsEts!"
- "yeah but those were risky trades and he's betting on JT/JB for the long term.. He did make a trade for Kyrie though"
"YeAh BuT kYriE lEfT! LOL!!!111"

Fortunately for the sake of GB's revisionist history, we're so lucky that pick shipped to CLE dropped to #8. Had that pick landed at #3 and we could of had Luka then we would have never heard the end of it.

[jeremym480]

Remember, we lost the trade because we only ended with JT and JB and the nets got Kyrie.

GB in a nutshell

"DaNnY h0lds 0n 2 aSsEts!"
- "yeah but those were risky trades and he's betting on JT/JB for the long term.. He did make a trade for Kyrie though"
"YeAh BuT kYriE lEfT! LOL!!!111"

Fortunately for the sake of GB's revisionist history, we're so lucky that pick shipped to CLE dropped to #8. Had that pick landed at #3 and we could of had Luka then we would have never heard the end of it.

When I expressed happiness with Jaylen's extension, GB told me that he was nothing but a retread of Jeff Green.

[JJHondo17]

I agree he's headed for the max and the Celtic's shouldn't hesitate in giving it to him. He does need a little more grit and balls in his game as our friend KG use to say. Very impressed with his performance against New Orleans and I expect pretty much the same against Chicago and Detroit. I need to see it against Milwaukee and other top tier teams, he tends to shrink back a bit when the lights get brighter.

[Darth Celtic]

Remember, we lost the trade because we only ended with JT and JB and the nets got Kyrie.

GB in a nutshell

"DaNnY h0lds 0n 2 aSsEts!"
- "yeah but those were risky trades and he's betting on JT/JB for the long term.. He did make a trade for Kyrie though"
"YeAh BuT kYriE lEfT! LOL!!!111"

Fortunately for the sake of GB's revisionist history, we're so lucky that pick shipped to CLE dropped to #8. Had that pick landed at #3 and we could of had Luka then we would have never heard the end of it.

When I expressed happiness with Jaylen's extension, GB told me that he was nothing but a retread of Jeff Green.

Yes, Jeff Green, career 32% 3pt shooter vs JB who is 38% and had 2 seasons already at 39.5% 3pt shooting out of 4. The same guy who averaged career hight 17ppg in his 7th season, compared to JB doing 19.9 in his 4th.

Not even going to talk about defense. The GB has an agenda against the Celtics young players. Always have. When Kyrie was on the Celtics he was overrated, played no defense, dribbled the clock out, and was an injury waiting to happen. He goes to the Nets and it's all good, he's a top 10 player and the Celtics won't recover.

[itrsteve]

The GB has an agenda against the Celtics young players. Always have. When Kyrie was on the Celtics he was overrated, played no defense, dribbled the clock out, and was an injury waiting to happen. He goes to the Nets and it's all good, he's a top 10 player and the Celtics won't recover.

I thought they displayed worse polarity on Al; slow, old, not a real center, etc... But once he leaves we may as well have lost LeBron James.

[Big Joke Line]

Tatum has the perfect mindset to be a great player. He's so calm and even keeled. Says all the right things you'd expect out of a great player. He's only going to get better..... dude is young. We're still working things out as a team. He'll be fine.

It’s funny the way people see things differently. I feel and have felt since early last year that Tatum’s “calm even keeled” nature is the only thing holding him back from being a superstar. He’s improved quite a bit this season but still has flashes of what I consider a lack of intensity and hustle which holds him back. I’d like to see less calm and even keeled and more fire. Except where the refs are concerned.

[sam_I_am]

Tatum has the perfect mindset to be a great player. He's so calm and even keeled. Says all the right things you'd expect out of a great player. He's only going to get better..... dude is young. We're still working things out as a team. He'll be fine.

It’s funny the way people see things differently. I feel and have felt since early last year that Tatum’s “calm even keeled” nature is the only thing holding him back from being a superstar. He’s improved quite a bit this season but still has flashes of what I consider a lack of intensity and hustle which holds him back. I’d like to see less calm and even keeled and more fire. Except where the refs are concerned.

I also see what you see, but I believe Tatum has the most important trait that a superstar needs. He has a one track mind for basketball. The guy loves basketball. You can tell it’s his passion and obsession.... almost to the exclusion of everything else. He has a little quirkiness to his personality rather than the natural leadership qualities of Donavan Mitchell for example. But his love of basketball is what will separate him even further going forward from the likes of Jaylen Brown who is a much more interesting person in general.

I want to see him become more of a refuse to lose nasty competitor like Bird, Pierce, Brady, KG etc. but I think his passion for basketball is as pure as any athlete I’ve been a fan of.

[Marvel]

Definitely Tatum, because defense exists. But I think Ingram leapfrogged Jaylen this year, and is the best offensive player of the three.

I couldn't be more impressed with Ingram's growth honestly. He's a craftier offensive player than either of the Jays. The Jays can score like he can, but they can't see the floor, handle, find spots, sneak around without the ball etc. the way he does. He's developed a game that should translate to playing efficiently off another high-usage player.

It's funny because i thought JB and BI would be equally as good when all is said and done but Ingram has like you said leapfrogged JB and BI still has the higher ceiling.

I think if you put Jaylen in Ingram's current spot, getting to gun at it, he could probably get 25 ppg too. But I see more ability to score in the flow of a half-court offense in Ingram than Brown. His offense fits the neatest of Tatum/Ingram/Brown as a secondary star.

As the number 1 option? Nah, it would be a very inefficient 25 ppg if so. BI is the superior playmaker and still has the higher ceiling imo.